Well done for confronting the individual was he a plant or for real?

Apparently he's very hard..Tony Rowbotham?

I didsn't so much as confront him as just tried to get him moving out..he'd made the same point 3 fecking times!!!!

Probably get another kicking/visit in the style of the HTH Guy!

What happened like?

Guy basically started shouting and bawling, calling us all "Oxygen Thieves" goine off on a real rant having a pop at Football/Pools/IOR/Goffy..everybody who was involved actually! He got asked politely to shut up, then got asked again..kept going...and going..and going...

I only stood up to get some relief from his shouting as it was literally two inches from my lug and was by that point actually hurting my ears, but I would have helped bundle him out if needed..now I find out he's a bit of a sav!

Back being watched..


..again.

Apparently, according to this fella, it's Pools/IOR's fault that the Hospital is closing.

Nothing happened really it just took us all by surprise being the first question asked/discussed at first we thought he was opposing the plan.

As my wife & I were discussing on our way home the lad made some very valid passionate points about the Pensioners of this town and referenced the Hospital….Which I think we as the public of Hartlepool should shoulder some blame for letting that go as easily as it did…

I found that out personally only last week when our lasses mam was rushed into Hospital and she had to be blue lighted to James Cook A & E in slightly different circumstances she may not of made it due to the location!...Thankfully she seems to be ok. It’s only when it affect’s you directly you truly realise what a big mistake that was.

I think it was mentioned last night that if the Council decide to give the ground to Pools there will be some sort of clause that it remains a football ground or sporting arena so that’s safe…and as a pools fan that’s great to hear obviously.

Although I’ll be honest I don’t know what the clauses are for the remainder of the plan and where that leaves the Bowls Club & the Millhouse Leisure Centre and surrounding area and for those to be demolished and then maybe a gap in funding like what that the councillor was saying last night [Not clear on this] ..as I have said for the whole plan to work it’s a massive journey that can be achieved no doubt. But away from the football as the guy said at what cost.

I think the bloke mentioned has form for being a shouty knob end in public meetings, but when offered the chance to say something to the decision makers politely or is asked to get involved and do something he shuts his mouth and vanishes.

He probably doesn't even vote as spelling X will be beyond his skill base.

I thought, from what was said last night, that the aim would be to keep existing facilities in place until the new ones where complete.

Yes they did mention that briefly when put on the spot….I don’t fully understand where the money is coming from for the whole plan? and that councillor who was there didn’t either to be honest by the sound of him.

With Pools it’s sort of different it’s all in place ready to go they just want the ground then they will crack on…….So it’s pretty straight forward…

And like the guy said at the end “how do we make it affordable once it’s all finished” with reference away from Pools….. will they clamber to get their money back ASAP and price people out of using these new amenities once they are complete another plan would need putting in place for this to be avoided and potentially have more empty buildings?
I think the whole Plan is quite a way off……..

Pools on their own have been trying since 2005? I think they are as close as they have ever been at present I would hate to see a load of Red Tape elsewhere in the overall plan stop them making any further progress

to be brutally honest, there are gonna be folks who will NEVER be convinced and will NEVER back the proposals, and would rather see things remain as they are and end up falling to bits, with no leisure facilities or any redevelopment.
Just so as they get to keep that extra tenner a month council tax or whatever... simply because they can't see there's a price to pay for these things... but somewehere along the line the folks in authority have to overrule those types and do what is right.
Otherwise we'd still all be living in 1800's style houses with no heating and there'd still be workhouses etc

They probably didn't even have parmo emporiums in those days either

Just to clarify the bloke who spoke last night for the council was Damien Wilson and he is responsible for regeneration. He is an officer and not an elected councillor.

Saw you there Chip - was very suprised you had nothing to say - particularly now as you are critiscising what others had to say

there was plenty of opportunity - one only had to put ones hand up

What's with the pink goatee

Who ?

Until 37 million is found nothing's going to happen

Did anybody suggest that they look down the back of the settee?

Plan B are a band from London!!!

You might not have heard at the back but Russ said there where no hidden agendas. Pools are not moving and I'll hold them to that. Afterall they are trying to get the land for nothing to put a second hand stand they got off a bunch a gypsies going door to door . Why would the want to spend 15 million building a new ground somewhere else?

COCK on that man Chip exactly what I've been thinking and I am allowed an opinion Gadgies....So here it is.....
Judging by Russ Green's body language (NOT a critisism I think he is a top top man & I told him) I think he was starting to think the same way......
Sorry lads I think were going to end up adding to the problem..Lets get our ducks in a row first please! You know HUFC and all that.... I think we have waited long enough 2005!!!

Oh & while I'm on if I can get on a bus and go 20Mins up the road to watch real football!!!!

I'm pretty sure certain individuals can get on a bus and go 20Mins up the road to play real Bowls!

I honestly think Russ has been "ground down" by the whole shooting match. Year after year of the same shite.

It's equally baffling why the council bothers paying salaries to educated people to research and come up with plans and projects, only for them to be blocked by people who aren't required to have any qualifications, are often busy doing other things or who simply don't really understand what is going on.

People bang on about a Bunker Clique existing but it isn't anywhere near as bad as the way the Labour group's infighting and constant attempts to undermine the mayor, and the way everyone else hates the mayor as well.

I can understand why some may disagree with the system, but I don't think that those in council seats now are the right people to take decisions on our behalf, and I can't see why they keep working against each other instead of accepting that this is how things are lets do the best we can for Hartlepool and its people.

councillors in the major political parties tend to be mere figureheads/ mouthpieces for those who tell them what to say. All a councillor has to do is put themselves up and someone else will do the rest.
That isn't true of all of them obviously - in the case of the independents, they have to be able to think on their feet etc because nobody is going to write a script for them. They have more balls for standing up in public debate and take on the representatives from the major parties

It is painfully obvious Labour holds HUFC responsible for the election campaign which saw of Mayor Drummond voted in, and has got under their sklin ever since. They can't take a beating in their own stronghold. But that's nothing to what may happen if they can Pools plans.
Were a powerful voting group, including those of our friends and families, who can also be persuaded to exact revenge on the AB's of this world in the next lot of local elections

If I'm honest the ground sale not going through will probably push me to stand for election as an independent somewhere in the town.

Only when the design changes after construction starts, or the client hasn't disclosed all of the relevant site information pre-contract, or because they change the timescales for delivery, or ...

Well apparently the Olympics is 300 odd million underspent, maybe Osborne can throw a chunk of that this way, but he's probably already put that aside to pay off a chunk of the army and prop up the foooking bankers!!

I haven't seen any detailed plans or costings but I bet you if I did I would find all sorts of holes in the figures which would put the realistic cost up before they even started never mind once they got going. What have they based their labour rates and outputs on, what are the projected material spends and wasteage figures, how efficiently do they think they can get their plant working, have they done any kind of detailed risk profiling and (as usual) is there a lack of any realistic temporary works costs included?

You're an estimator, can't you help?