party explains cabinet snub

Kevin Dixon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:04 am **Posts:** 1432

Hartlepool labour group says it did not put any of its councillors forward to join the mayors cabinet because voters lack in confidence.

This is just the start by the new labour group. Why the hell does this town keep voting for labour. I want to see these labour councillors come out of their safe seats and stand for election elsewhere.

We have no chance now with the mill house development with the chairman and the leader of the labour group on the board.

God help this town.

mouldy old dough · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2012 5:48 pm

Voted labour all my life as my father before me but never again will i vote for anyone that represents labour.

Kevin Dixon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:04 am **Posts:** 1432

This is just the start from them we have seen nothing yet from how this group will work and operate. The only thing they have on their mind is themselves.

Watch the space

Kevin Dixon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:04 am **Posts:** 1432

The sale of the ground and the mill house development should be given to the people of hartlepool to vote on not for labour councillors to decide

mouldy old dough · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2012 6:50 pm

The Ackers Belcher boys have the town sown up and it saddens me.

Darth · **Joined:** Sun May 06, 2012 11:45 pm **Posts:** 10

Whether or not the other liebour councillors support the planis pretty irrelivent since the Akers-Belchers have said no. They run the show and will whip the others into voting the same way when it comes down to the vote.

It sickens me but you could now put money on that happening.

Spender · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2012 7:41 pm

Can you provide us with the converse?? They're party sheep, they'll do this for a laugh. I'd love to hear something to the contrary. I'm not sure I will.

The Lightning Tree · **Joined:** Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:30 pm **Posts:** 5804

I'm waiting for replies back from Seaton Councillors!

ElvisC · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 am **Posts:** 4504

mouldy old dough wrote:

The Ackers Belcher boys have the town sown up and it saddens me.

This.

ElvisC · **Joined:** Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:55 am **Posts:** 4504

Chip Fireball wrote:

Can you provide me with some evidence that every Labour councillor in Hartlepool is against the Millhouse development ?

No, but I can provide you with evidence that most are.

The Lightning Tree · **Joined:** Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:30 pm **Posts:** 5804

But they don't own the ground, the people of Hartlepool own the ground not a few twats in a power trip!
Surely, somehow this can be saved.
We can't let this vote go against IOR !

Kevin Dixon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:04 am **Posts:** 1432

They will all follow suit you only have to look at the boundary wards how they were all set out. All the strong labour councillors were put in safe wards. They will all stick together.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

You only have to look at the way that cretin of an MP follows the crowd. Gormless Brown says no hospital so Wright does what he was told and starts talking about transport to North Tees and complaining about how difficult it is. Obviously thats the council's fault. I defy anyone to find an example of what the twat has defied party lines.

The same goes with the council, they will follow the whip like the sheep that they are. I can't think of any other place on Earth with some many idiots holding voting slips as Hartlepool. Time after time you are had over by Labour but still keep voting for Christmas.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

The Lightning Tree wrote:

But they don't own the ground, the people of Hartlepool own the ground not a few twats in a power trip!
Surely, somehow this can be saved.
We can't let this vote go against IOR !

They are your representatives. You voted for them so they have a mandate to speak for you.

The Lightning Tree · **Joined:** Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:30 pm **Posts:** 5804

Yes, I understand that, it's still not their club though.
They weren't there when we were struggling at the foot of division 4.
Well, one fan certainly was and I'm eagerly awaiting her reply!

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

As soon as the Labour group won the local election I suspected that this was dead. Some on here gloated over party lines but you will see where your blind loyalty gets you. I predict that if the council turn down the sale then IOR will turn off the tap. Why should they keep chucking a million a year into a town that clearly doesn't give a flying bollock?

Laugh at Darlington all you like but you are looking at Pools future without IOR.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Aye but then we knew our leaders were on our the same side as us. With the possible exception of the odd Councillor, the Labour group will follow orders.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37791

They'll do as they're told, end of.

Kevin Dixon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:04 am **Posts:** 1432

Chip Fireball wrote:

Well they didn't follow orders over the budget last year did they ?

Two of my councillors have more reason to hate their alleged leader than they do The Tories, so I'm definitely not giving up until its over.

they will still follow party politics i have spoken to two or three councillors who are all against ior getting the ground for free.

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5096

chip it doesnt matter what your ward councillor thinks, come the vote the party chairman and his consort will have ensured the party vote the way he tells them, i would love to be wrong but will be very surprised if it is the case and am willing to wager £20 to the charity of your choice on the party voting against it, unfortunately because the mayor is in favour the anti drummond brigade will ensure it doesnt happen

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5096

come on chip which bit of "the party" would indicate a singular vote and not the majority of the party. so you understand i'll make it easy.
if the majority of the labour party vote in favour of the scheme i will donate £20 to the charity of your choice happy now

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5096

what i am saying is the odd dissenter may vote in favour but the vast majority will vote the way the A-B's tell them

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37791

A couple of Labour councillors suddenly growing a pair won't change anything, that's besides the point. It's what the other Labour councillors do that concerns me.

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5096

i think your ward surgery idea is a very good one

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2012 10:13 pm

Wouldn't the regeneration of a good chunk of the Town Centre come under the heading of 'Putting Hartlepool First', and would suggest that 'party' should be voting for it.

monkeehanger · **Posted:** Fri May 25, 2012 11:35 pm

I've not really followed the whole sale saga too closely, but for my benefit...and maybe a stupid question.

....what actually happens if the council knock back the sale to IOR?

Does the redevelopment go ahead or is the area just left to rot?

ANTHRAX · **Posted:** Sat May 26, 2012 1:40 am

I used to be slightly interested in politics, but now????????

Its an absolute farce, local and national, as well as international I suppose. No distinctions of ideas or ideals between parties (very apt word)

A total circus of self centred hypocrites, who no longer care for the good of man, but for the good of themselves.

as my dear old nana would say......."fu#k the lot of em, @rseholes!"..good with words my nana was!!

Jaimondo · **Joined:** Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:39 am **Posts:** 200

I had two of the labour lot in my house earlier this year to discuss something, all they could do was say we will ask 'Stephen or Christopher about this', 'Stephen will do something hes great' it was really pathetic. The very mention of Drummonds name being behind what I was proposing sent them into a spin 'Drummond won't help you' nothing that man does will EVER work in this town'
etc etc etc
and people thought voting a monkey as Mayor daft? this town, as we know is ran by the underclass, for the underclass by those with a cloth cap mentality. God help us. They will sacrifice peoples jobs and livelihoods to stop this project going ahead entirely to prove a point.
makes me sick

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5096

i have emailed each of my ward councillors asking when they are holding a ward surgery lets see how long it takes to reply

Kevin Dixon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:04 am **Posts:** 1432

Can we putt together a statement that we can take to all ward surgueries, that way we are all asking the same question.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

If you want to do this then its got to be co-ordinated. Some of us on here have experience of mounting a campaign in Hartlepool via the Monkeyhangerz CD release a few years ago. Think what you like of the record itself but we did create some massive publicity. This sort of campaign has to have the same sort of organisation.

1) Create a core committee who will commit their time and lots of it.
2) Get the media onside
3) Agree who is going to front the campaign. It has to be someone who will not freeze in front of a microphone or TV camera.
4) Write a press release and get it to all the local media outlets; Papers, Radio, local TV

Problem one you have is that this is an open forum so your opponents can read it. I'm happy to create a members only board where active parties can discuss and arrange. Best be quick though, time is running out.

Chrissy Stevo · **Posted:** Sat May 26, 2012 9:35 am

Great idea Mr I, hopefully something can be done to put pressure on them.

poolie1966 · **Joined:** Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:55 am **Posts:** 1182

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

If you want to do this then its got to be co-ordinated. Some of us on here have experience of mounting a campaign in Hartlepool via the Monkeyhangerz CD release a few years ago. Think what you like of the record itself but we did create some massive publicity. This sort of campaign has to have the same sort of organisation.

1) Create a core committee who will commit their time and lots of it.
2) Get the media onside
3) Agree who is going to front the campaign. It has to be someone who will not freeze in front of a microphone or TV camera.
4) Write a press release and get it to all the local media outlets; Papers, Radio, local TV

Problem one you have is that this is an open forum so your opponents can read it. I'm happy to create a members only board where active parties can discuss and arrange. Best be quick though, time is running out.

An excellent idea Mr I.

I think Fetish_Bob would be a good choice to front the campaign, although I dont know him personally, he did some excellent work in helping promote last years season ticket deal, he is well known throughout the town from his fire brigade days & always argues his points on here & other forums in a well presented & articulate way!

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

Oh, and focus on the positive implications. The fans are already on side in the main, you are looking to pick up the floating voters. Concentrate on regeneration of the area, jobs, facilities for kids and youth etc...

Best to stay clear of any innuendo too. Whatever the sexual preferences of your opponents its a route that can only lose sympathy for the campaign. Be positive about what the club has done for the town; the feel good factors of Cardiff, losing the perennial losers tag, investment in education for Hartlepool kids all that sort of stuff. In fact this should be on the press release. Get photos of the area in its worst possible light too - maybe recruit Frank Reid; he was invaluable during the CD thing, he and his camera can be on this too.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

poolie1966 wrote:

An excellent idea Mr I.

I think Fetish_Bob would be a good choice to front the campaign, although I dont know him personally, he did some excellent work in helping promote last years season ticket deal, he is well known throughout the town from his fire brigade days & always argues his points on here & other forums in a well presented & articulate way!

He did and he is. I like Bob but his message board name would be used against him.

Chrissy Stevo · **Posted:** Sat May 26, 2012 9:54 am

I have just sent this to all of the foggy furze councilors:

Quote:

Good Morning

I am writing today to see what your viewpoint is on the Mill House regeneration project. This is an area of the town that has, over the years, become and eye-sore and is in desperate need of re-development. The plans for the area look very exciting indeed and look to vastly improve what has become a run down area of the town. The plan will provide employment, updated accommodation for students, leisure facilities for adults/children and improvements to Victoria Park as well as a complete overhaul that is long overdue in this area.

This area has the opportunity to become as successful as the Marina development which has seen the area go from strength to strength which ultimately led to the hosting of the Tall Ships Race in what was a fantastic spectacle enjoyed not only by the town, but the worlds media. These are the kind of developments that can help move this town forward and drive change and improvements for residents and visitors to the town alike.

This is an opportunity for a Labour majority council to be remembered as a group who wanted to make a difference and move the town forwards and as a Labour voter in the Foggy Furze ward I am keen to see my ward councilors thinking on a project that will bring much needed employment in the short term during construction and in the long term through planned facilities in the improved area.

I shall look forward to your response.

Kind Regards

Chris Stevens
Haswell Ave

Might not be the best worded email but attempted to keep it as much away from being all about HUFC as possible and just mentioning the benefits from the other parts of the development.

parmo · **Posted:** Sat May 26, 2012 10:19 am

nice one Chris.

I hope there is some people out there who will not listen to these two dictators and do what is right for the town and the Mill House area

Fetish_Bob · **Posted:** Sat May 26, 2012 12:12 pm

poolie1966 wrote:

I think Fetish_Bob would be a good choice to front the campaign, although I dont know him personally, he did some excellent work in helping promote last years season ticket deal, he is well known throughout the town from his fire brigade days & always argues his points on here & other forums in a well presented & articulate way!

Thanks for the compliment but I think there are many others who could do a better job, I still have the habit of opening my mouth before I engage my brain which although can show some passion about subjects can also have an adverse effect.

Maybe Mouldy Old Dough/Chip/Madjohn/ may be interested or even someone from outside one of the boards may be a better idea. As Mr I says some may well use my user name on here against me(although it is harmless and has a bit of a joke around it) In the same way anyone who is against the plan would say people from any of the boards was being bias.

I like the idea MrI uses in trying to get Frank Reid on board so going along those lines someone like Paul Gough(media knowledge) may be a good idea, or even someone like Sam Lee who has media knowledge/expertise and now runs her own business. Both of course would have to be approached and I am in no way suggesting either would be interested but people like the two I have mentioned could well be the type of front man/woman any sort of campaign would need. And I'm sure there knowledge and expertise would be invaluable.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22671

All those people would be useful but they are all demonstrably Pools associated. It would be great to recruit someone who is not perceived to be a 'club man or woman'.

ziggysawdust · **Joined:** Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:03 am **Posts:** 295

It's probably impractical, but if a few of you are thinking of popping to a surgery would it be worth spending an afternoon going door to door in your local area explaining the Millhouse plan to people and asking them to sign a petition? It's a fair bit of work but it'd be a good indicator that an area backed the plan, and if a councillor went against it they couldn't say they were representing the people.

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Sat May 26, 2012 11:34 pm

Mr Irrelevant wrote:

All those people would be useful but they are all demonstrably Pools associated. It would be great to recruit someone who is not perceived to be a 'club man or woman'.

How about Alan Wright, a well known 'voice' of the town, who I believe is a Pools fan, but in a much lower profile than the previously mentioned Sam Lee and Paul Gough. He may well be interested as a Tory who would enjoy getting one over the Labour Councillors, and enhance any future campaign for town MP.

poolie1966 · **Joined:** Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:55 am **Posts:** 1182

What about Jeff Stelling, I know he is Pools related, but he can bring the campaign to a national level. Would our councillors want to be made to look fools of in the national media because they dont back their town's football club. How much benefit to the town does Jeff bring to the town every Saturday afternoon on his football Saturday show.

It could be a stupid suggestion, what do others think ?

parmo · **Posted:** Sun May 27, 2012 2:54 pm

if they vote this down, and in fact before they even get the chance to vote this down, they should be made to answer the public face to face. No pre-prepared statements.... an open public forum where as many people as possible can get in.....and if they won't do it then it should be highlighted in the strongest possible way in the media. They have to be discredited in such an instance

Kevin Dixon · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:04 am **Posts:** 1432

I think we need to start getting letters into the mail and start following up on Bobs comments. Lests start by getting other pools fans involved who dont read the bunker or other forums.

We need to start acting quick, the council meet in a few weeks to discuss the mill house project.

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