It's turned into another Vietnam except this time we're there. Every day there are more and more lads coming home in body bags and the guys on the ground are doing 9 and 10 months a year on operational tours. Thats a lot of chances to get whacked.

Time to bring 'em home and let them deal with their own mess - or let the nukes take care of it.

Agree totally

Won't happen however until Tony gets George's permission to pull them out

Don't know why we don't adopt their bleedin' flag & elect members to their senate - pathetic

good topic - and takes the heat off ritchie too!!

too busy to answer fully now but of the same opinion as you - we are in Afghanistan to attempt to reinflate wubbwa's ego and try to destroy the smack problem - but we aint inflating the fool's ego and they are simply moving opium production to adjacent states.

Iraq - fook me what a mess - in my eyes no particular reason to go in other than wubbwa again - i know we have made a better fist of it than the yanks, but we need to be out.

sick of hearing stats re dead soldiers - these people are not numbers to their families and communities but BRAVE men who have lost their lives for unjustified causes.

Whilst against both ventures in the main, i think that whilst the lads are over there we should back them to the hilt. In other wars soldiers rec'd food, fags, anonymous letters and SUPPORT - yet we seem not to give a fook on the whole as it's not on our doorstep.

One has to also bear in mind that if the Yanks had permitted the SAS to kill bin lid when they had traced him, instead of making them wait for the glory hunters to do the job, then a lot of this shit would be over.

You would have thought that at least when they are out there the would be given the correct equipment to do the job in hand.

Where are the million people who protested against the impending invasion three years ago?
Why haven't they taken to the streets again? TB is being given too easy a ride.

And where's all the Iraqis who were bashing Saddam's statue with their sandals???? :?

For soldiers to be riding in soft skinned Land Rovers beggars belief. This was a no-no in Northern Ireland 30 years ago!

The PSC's in Iraq are kitted up so so much better than the British Soldiers. Fully armoured 4 x 4's M4's (rifle) better radio's, better kit, better back up and most importantly; the option to say no when there is too much shit flying around.

An urban myth mon ami, the battle the SAS fought was 300 miles from Tora Bora.

I'm sure I saw some stats somewhere about the Poppy's saying that their wasn't half as much being grown before us and the Yanks went in there!!!! :?
Also people were saying just after we went in that the Poppy growing would explode due to us and the Yanks been there!!!!

Makes you think!!!! :? :? :?

=Excuse my ignorance , buts whats a PSC?

i's like to beg to differ as i like to blame the yanks for everything! - i believe the Sunday Times - without wishing to denigrate your superior military knowledge.

Another thing; doesn't Blair have any history books? he should look up the invasion of Afghanistan 1979. Same tactics and i fear the same result.

Russian casualties:


15000 killed
35000 wounded.

Well over 1,000,000 Afghan civilians and Mujahideen killed, nearly 5 million refugees. Total deaths from beginning of invasion, through the aftermath, until the the Soviet withdrawal amounted to 1.8 million.

And to think Clinton got kicked out for shagging some fat titted intern!, still if thats how the 'moral majoriy' of the US vote, they deserve GWB

you can go back to 1842(?) for an English defeat there

Who lost that one, Sir Sydney Rough Diamond was beaten by Bungit In :)

I want to know what a PSC is too - please

great film!

Ok, if you like, its possible we're talking about something more recently that has happened; But consider this; had the SAS entered the caves, the casualty rate would have been enormous. the two squadrons fighting there plus directly attached tropps amounted to about 140/150 blokes. If they entered then I wouldn't expect many to come back out again. No doubt they would be backed up by a para battalion but going into those caves is a very dubious occupation.

sorry, PSC = private security company

If they killed Bin Laden and proved it, it wouldnt change the situation one iota there a hundreds of thousands ready to step into his shoes

Who needs history when they're a complete cretin?
He was probably told that all laser guided bombs reach their target.

As Paddy Ashdown famously said;

"carpet bombing Afghanistan is just rearranging rocks"

no it relates to Tora Bora - backed up by the Yanks which is even more dubious than dropping your hankie in church st bogs.

Beneath the old iron bridges, across the Victorian parks
And all the frightened people running home before dark
Past the Saturday morning cinema
That lies crumbling to the ground
And the piss stinking shopping centre in the new side of town

I've come to smell the seasons change and watch the city
As the sun goes down again

Here comes another winter
Of long shadows and high hopes
Here comes another winter
Waitin' for utopia
Waitin' for hell to freeze over

This is the land where nothing changes
The land of red buses and blue blooded babies
This is the place where pensioners are raped
And the hearts are being cut from the welfare state

Let the poor drink the milk while the rich eat the honey
Let the bums count their blessings while they count the money

So many people can't express what's on their minds
Nobody knows them, nobody ever will
Until their backs are broken, their dreams are stolen
And they can't get what they want, then they're gonna get angry!
Well it ain't written in the papers but its written on the walls
The way this country is divided to fall
So the cranes are moving on the skyline
Trying to knock down this town
But the stains on the heartland can never be removed
from this country that's sick, sad and confused

Here comes another winter
Of long shadows and high hopes
Here comes another winter
Waitin' for utopia
Waitin' for hell to freeze over

The ammunition's being passed and the Lord's been praised
But the wars on the televisions will never be explained
All the bankers gettin' sweaty beneath their white collars
As the pound in our pocket turns into a dollar

This is the 51st state - of the U.S.A.

The The Mr.Salty!!!! :sweet: :sweet: :sweet: