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Just finished reading them, was gonna say something similar before I saw your thread!

I read it as a mixture of opportunism on the back of the Tall Ships to carry on the game of bluff with the council and an opportunity to quash takeover rumours and remind the fans that their support and realism is needed rather than them being so bloody negative all of the time!

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"Hartlepool had the worst support in League 1 last season......". We all think we know what he means (attendances) but he could have chosen his words more carefully rather than give the negative posters the opportunity to misrepresent him.


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Poolie_on_Tyne wrote:
"Hartlepool had the worst support in League 1 last season......". We all think we know what he means (attendances) but he could have chosen his words more carefully rather than give the negative posters the opportunity to misrepresent him.


No he's right, a good proportion of our 'supporters' are aresholes, his words are correct.


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PJ_Poolie wrote:
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"Hartlepool had the worst support in League 1 last season......". We all think we know what he means (attendances) but he could have chosen his words more carefully rather than give the negative posters the opportunity to misrepresent him.


No he's right, a good proportion of our 'supporters' are aresholes, his words are correct.


Agreed, I think we have some of the worst fans in the league. Its possibly the most unsupportive atmosphere to start you career as a young player, and god forbid if you don't score with your first touch as a new signing.


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wasnt years ago but sadlly true now


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I blame the new age supporters. refred Sadly though that is not strictly true.


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 Post subject: Re: Hodcrofts Notes...
PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:26 pm 
A good read Mr.Hodcroft but one question regarding this....

"Other things IOR do not have control of are media rumours and people encouraging and/or believing such rumours. The Sunday Sun has been vocal in their predictions of a sale of the Club by IOR, large cash injections, large sponsorship deals etc over the summer months (the Mail quickly followed). The deal was to be finalised two weeks ago and the Club is still waiting - including IOR - and we await for the Sunday Sun to tell us when it's complete!"

Why didn't you just come out and say it was a load of Bullshite and quash the rumours that you found unsettling???? sctatchinghead sctatchinghead


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the takeover didnt happen because hodcroft wanted to be president of the club and the the buyers didnt want that they are ment to be looking at to be buying charlton now only wanted pools because the debt was a lot less


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 2:02 pm 
chip fireball wrote:
it was people employed by the fooking club starting the rumours ffs.

even the manager was talking in the mail about appetite whetters and exciting developments.

fact is hodcroft could have killed these rumours stone dead at the start of july and chose not to.

care to explain why ken ?



I said the same thing on ITB... how can the staff have been unsettled when they were the ones telling people about this in the first place?


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chip fireball wrote:
precisely.

ive spoken to someone in the employment of hartlepool united who said that while the takeover didnt come as close to happening as many thought, it was real.

now 6 weeks down the line the chairman is blaming the sunday sun for unsettling his staff after he was nowhere to be seen or heard all summer.

then they wonder why crowds are down. :roll:

nobody is saying ior havent been good for the town, but their p.r. is diabolical.


Depends on what you mean by close, obstacles kept getting overcome the final one was that KH wanted to remain in some capacity within the club. If that had been overcome then the take over would have been completed.

Maybe he wasn't seen or heard during the summer due to the fact he was in meetings with the prospective buyers for the duration. Possibly even out of the country, but hey he can just fly back give a press conference and return.

Or alternatively send a fax to the club to tell them to issue a press release that the talks are at a certain stage. Then when they go belly up repeat that procedure to issue another release to say something different.

IOR are a business at the end of the day and Pools are only part of that, so someone from IOR had to negotiate the sale hence the reason KH wasn't seen or heard all summer. And maybe part of the other parties agenda was that press releases weren't released and if where talks would finish then and there.

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chip fireball wrote:
.I've spoken to someone in the employment of Hartlepool United who said that while the takeover didnt come as close to happening as many thought, it was real.


Will go down really well if IOR/ another employee of them reads this board and a investigation is launched to see who is "telling tales", maybe that employee of HUFC will become a ex-employee of HUFC

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So Hodcroft denied there was ever any takeover in place?

He is a grade A bullshitter if so.

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I guess you guys are going to have to accept your not in the loop.

I dont care for clubs realeasing all their info, look up the road to Newcastle to see a prime example of what this can do....

Head down, job to do.....accept it

I am liking this new backs against the walls, certs to go down attitude....Much better than the previous seasons attitude.


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No comment Chip......get used to it


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August; this is one of the peculiarly dangerous months in football when the 'experts' speculate furiously. The others are July, January, September, April, November, May, March, June. December, October and February..... yawn1

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People spend months telling anybody who'll listen that there's a big takeover on the cards cos "their sources" have told them so and that it will all be confirmed by IOR.

IOR finally comment on the matter and say that it was all bullshit spread by idiots.

People who've spent months telling anybody who'll listen that the big takeover is on the cards then claim that "their sources" know more than Ken Hodcroft or that the chairman is lying in an attempt to save face and not look like idiots who've been spouting bullshit to try and make them feel clever or important.

The End.

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You need to learn Chip that this forum amounts to the sum of nothing where Pools are concerned.

Read Mr Rippers comments on this thread.....i agree.


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 Post subject: Re: Hodcrofts Notes...
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:27 am 
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August; this is one of the peculiarly dangerous months in football when the 'experts' speculate furiously. The others are July, January, September, April, November, May, March, June. December, October and February..... yawn1


It cheeses me off a bit, too, sometimes. But then I accept that this is the reason the boards are here, and that I have a choice.


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Sorry Ripper, thats way too over simplified.

Hodcroft in his notes denied nothing, he simply made sarcastic remarks. He did not state that a takeover was not happening nor did he say that it was never on the cards. He did criticise people for speculating. Well Ken, welcome to planet Earth. When there is no official information people will always take the snippets and join the dots.

The fault in all of this is IOR and Ken Hodcroft's blank refusal to communicate with their customers.


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Mr Ripper wrote:
People spend months telling anybody who'll listen that there's a big takeover on the cards cos "their sources" have told them so and that it will all be confirmed by IOR.

IOR finally comment on the matter and say that it was all bullshit spread by idiots.

People who've spent months telling anybody who'll listen that the big takeover is on the cards then claim that "their sources" know more than Ken Hodcroft or that the chairman is lying in an attempt to save face and not look like idiots who've been spouting bullshit to try and make them feel clever or important.

The End.
You'll be denounced as an heretic.... :wink:

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People spend months telling anybody who'll listen that there's a big takeover on the cards cos "their sources" have told them so and that it will all be confirmed by IOR.

IOR finally comment on the matter and say that it was all bullshit spread by idiots.

People who've spent months telling anybody who'll listen that the big takeover is on the cards then claim that "their sources" know more than Ken Hodcroft or that the chairman is lying in an attempt to save face and not look like idiots who've been spouting bullshit to try and make them feel clever or important.

The End.


What utter tosh.

How would it be in the interest of IOR be CONFIRM talks about a takeover took place?

Wouldn’t totally destabilise the club as it would suggest the owners want out. If it was ’bullshit spread by idiots’ as you are smugly suggesting that could have been quashed by the them in a one statement in May when I first heard talk of it. They didn’t so even if was a load rubbish they only have themselves to blame.


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People spend months telling anybody who'll listen that there's a big takeover on the cards cos "their sources" have told them so and that it will all be confirmed by IOR.

IOR finally comment on the matter and say that it was all bullshit spread by idiots.

People who've spent months telling anybody who'll listen that the big takeover is on the cards then claim that "their sources" know more than Ken Hodcroft or that the chairman is lying in an attempt to save face and not look like idiots who've been spouting bullshit to try and make them feel clever or important.

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What utter tosh.

How would it be in the interest of IOR be CONFIRM talks about a takeover took place?

Wouldn’t totally destabilise the club as it would suggest the owners want out. If it was ’bullshit spread by idiots’ as you are smugly suggesting that could have been quashed by the them in a one statement in May when I first heard talk of it. They didn’t so even if was a load rubbish they only have themselves to blame.


I don't recall reading anywhere that IOR denied any involvement with the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico this summer either, should they have made a statement on that in case any Pools fans had unfounded concerns or worries?

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If the team were doing well, this whole load of bollox wouldn't have surfaced. The only real destabilisation at the place is the constant gnawing away at the club, one thing subsides and something else is dredged up from a motley marriage of the easily bored and the eternal attention seekers...I'm sure a couple of dodgy results will refocus attention to the manger again. Supporters....? more like paranoid fishwives.
Have you seen that look some fans get when they've worked out where the managers gone wrong, what the tactics should be and know what's really happening behind the scenes..? ......... Nah, me neither :roll:

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Mr Ripper wrote:
People spend months telling anybody who'll listen that there's a big takeover on the cards cos "their sources" have told them so and that it will all be confirmed by IOR.

IOR finally comment on the matter and say that it was all bullshit spread by idiots.

People who've spent months telling anybody who'll listen that the big takeover is on the cards then claim that "their sources" know more than Ken Hodcroft or that the chairman is lying in an attempt to save face and not look like idiots who've been spouting bullshit to try and make them feel clever or important.

The End.



Load of rubbish, the takeover was in place despite what you think. Hodcroft knows this and so do a lot of other people. The fact it took them till now to deny it only proves that it was set to happen.

But unfortunatly some people spit their dummy out...........

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Tree_With_Hamster wrote:
Mr Ripper wrote:
People spend months telling anybody who'll listen that there's a big takeover on the cards cos "their sources" have told them so and that it will all be confirmed by IOR.

IOR finally comment on the matter and say that it was all bullshit spread by idiots.

People who've spent months telling anybody who'll listen that the big takeover is on the cards then claim that "their sources" know more than Ken Hodcroft or that the chairman is lying in an attempt to save face and not look like idiots who've been spouting bullshit to try and make them feel clever or important.

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Load of rubbish, the takeover was in place despite what you think. Hodcroft knows this and so do a lot of other people. The fact it took them till now to deny it only proves that it was set to happen.

But unfortunatly some people spit their dummy out...........
Come on then, tell us everything you know about this takeover, I'll pull a chair up.

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chip fireball wrote:
Snowy wrote:
If the team were doing well, this whole load of bollox wouldn't have surfaced. The only real destabilisation at the place is the constant gnawing away at the club, one thing subsides and something else is dredged up from a motley marriage of the easily bored and the eternal attention seekers...I'm sure a couple of dodgy results will refocus attention to the manger again. Supporters....? more like paranoid fishwives.
Have you seen that look some fans get when they've worked out where the managers gone wrong, what the tactics should be and know what's really happening behind the scenes..? ......... Nah, me neither :roll:


you are very good at not answering questions put to you. i will give you that.
Cheers. ... but as I was not answering a question put to me but giving an opinion, it's irrelevant
Oh... and just what question was put to me personally...? sctatchinghead ... muddying the waters time is it...?

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Snowy wrote:
Tree_With_Hamster wrote:
Mr Ripper wrote:
People spend months telling anybody who'll listen that there's a big takeover on the cards cos "their sources" have told them so and that it will all be confirmed by IOR.

IOR finally comment on the matter and say that it was all bullshit spread by idiots.

People who've spent months telling anybody who'll listen that the big takeover is on the cards then claim that "their sources" know more than Ken Hodcroft or that the chairman is lying in an attempt to save face and not look like idiots who've been spouting bullshit to try and make them feel clever or important.

The End.



Load of rubbish, the takeover was in place despite what you think. Hodcroft knows this and so do a lot of other people. The fact it took them till now to deny it only proves that it was set to happen.

But unfortunatly some people spit their dummy out...........
Come on then, tell us everything you know about this takeover, I'll pull a chair up.
... must be getting his notes together...

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chip fireball wrote:

i would like you to point me to the exact point in hodcrofts statement where he says the takeover rumour is bollocks, or even the point where he says that talks never took place.

i wrote an article for the fanzine on the subject of the "takeover" and got confirmation from 3 different employees of hartlepool united that talks did take place this summer, and i can see nothing in hodcrofts statement to suggest that they lied.


As for Hodcroft's denial that never happened because he never made a denial... sctatchinghead ....... since you appear to have assumed a role that merges the power of the District Attorney and Miss Marples, there are a number of other things that Hodcroft hasn't said, he hasn't denied he's really a giant lizard off 'V', he hasn't denied he's an alien, the list is endless of things he hasn't denied and denied to who? Who is this great Witchfinder General, the Great Enlightener...? sadly there isn't one, just a collection of message board nosey parkers, who seem to be labouring under the demented illusion they have a divine right to be told everything ... and as he is under no obligation to enlighten you or any other budding detective about his thoughts or musings on any subject, I really don't see the point of all this nonsensical posturing.

Do I care ... frankly ... NO! yawn1

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Snowy - wow you certainly comment a lot about something you dont care about.



and something you dont have a clue about aswell.

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Snowy - wow you certainly comment a lot about something you dont care about.



and something you dont have a clue about aswell.
Whereas you just comment a lot ... I'm still waiting for this 'information' ... yawn1

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Would this takeover have been good for the club.
Wound the new owners have spent millions of pounds to push us to the brink of the premier league.
If it's true and the deal fell through because Hodcrofy still wanted involvement.
Is it such a bad thing that Ken wanted to hang around.
Maybe it's for the best IOR are still here.
Wages and bills are still being paid, we have a new coach and the season has started very good.
I think people wanted some billionaire Arab to come in and splash the cash.
It just isn't going to happen when most people in the town don't give a shit.
The one thing about IOR, whenever we have had a decent cup run or had a good season in the league they have always given the manager to strengthen.

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chip fireball wrote:
snowy is quick to ask questions, and very slow to answer them. :wink:

like muttley i was simply asking why, if hodcroft felt the press were unsettling his staff with rumours, he didnt just come out and make a statement 6 weeks ago, which would have taken 10 minutes, saying they were bollocks.

... and you'd have accepted that ... been quite happy with it and dropped the subject, never to mention it again.....?

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I thought the last couple of words were odd. Got the feeling IOR wont be with us much longer.


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I thought the last couple of words were odd. Got the feeling IOR wont be with us much longer.


Do you think he intended to preface those last words with

"Frankly my Dear I don't give a damn"

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