That's about right innit

at least hes stopped saying we're hoping to be challenging for a play-off spot now.

The annoying thing is his triallists are probably not good enough to change anything.
My appetite isn't getting whetted.

:(

That is all.

He mentions 4 good quality players.
I hope Horwood,Murray and Yantaro aren't 3 of the 4!!
Probably the best comments he's made in a long time.

I think you'll find they are.

Haven't read the article yet but if Turner is getting angry then he must be unhappy with what is going on behind the scenes, it also makes me wonder from his comments has he been posting on here?

Sounds like he's fallen out with Uncle ken Too. For Turner to come out in the press with stuff like this is unprecedented and unless the sale of the club happens soon I can see Sturmhaupfurher Hodcroft getting shot of him.

It sounds to me that in the past CT has been saying things in public that please IOR.

Now that a takeover of the club appears to be happening, he has opened up a bit and said what he feels ie that the squad he has isn't good enough.

Maybe they're getting a public kick up the arse to try and get a reaction to show him that they are good enough and will perform if needed in league games?

How many times have we been inundated with posts on here about how Turner shouldn't say that everything was good when it clearly wasn't (e.g. the slagging off of his post match comments on the Leeds game and various other games last season)?

Now he's doing the opposite he's still either wrong, indicting himself or having a go at IOR?

it certainly does appear like he's having to constantly juggle the fans happiness, the expectations of IOR as well as his own feelings & opinions, it can't be easy!

Maybe he's just trying a new tactic in order to get IOR to act, one way or another.

Is this just another excuse for Ripper to have a pop at everyone else?

Ripper has developed acute POK mentality.

No.

I didn't start the thread.

If it was some kind of excuse for me to disagree with the negativity and sensationalism it would've had to have been quite contrived.

Can you elaborate?

Or is it just because I don't want to take every opportunity to either preach doom and gloom or think of a grassy knoll scenario?

POK mentality is a mental condition where positivity is maintained despite all evidence to the contrary. This syndrome was famously exhibited when the Captain of the Titanic asked for the band to play on irrespective of the ship going 'glug glug glug'.

Sufferers tend to ignore all evidence that suggests that all is not well in favour of a refusal to look facts in the face.

Which quote should I reply to first



That may not be not be such a bad idea



See above, the fact is this is HIS squad Flinders, Austin Haslam Fredriksen,Mcsweeney, Behan,Larkin Greulich,Rafferty, Hartley,Gamble, Bjornnson,all added in the last season and bit, along with Purvis, Blackford,and Martin given contracts this season. Now we can all say we should have brought players in this close season with 7 players being released, but how many other teams in the lower divisions can say they have added 12 so called "first teamer's" in the last season and bit. He stated last season that those players mentioned were going to make the squad stronger than previous seasons. Now after one season he saying they're not. Where does the blame lay????



I will admit to actually hear what a lot of people on here and other boards and fans in general believe is actually GOOD to hear. The problem is it's gone from one extreme to another. After Leeds game it was "DON'T PANIC" 3 days later it's



Well with less than 2 weeks to go to the start of the season that sounds more like "It's time to panic", because 3 days later HIS squad aren't good enough.

Facts?

1. The season hasn't started yet.
2. The transfer window doesn't close for another 5 weeks or so.
3. Not counting loan players, how much weaker is our current starting lineup to that which we had for most of last season with time still to add to it?

I think that people are over reacting to the current state of play. I don't for one minute think that everything is wonderful or that we don't need a few new signings of sufficient quality to improve our starting line up and I certainly reserve the right for indignation if we don't sign anybody, performances on the pitch in league games are substandard and we are in the bottom four come the end of September.

So now tell me why you think that the "facts" as they are right now should have the majority of people either slitting their wrists or wanting to publicly execute anybody connected with the football club that we all supposedly support.

Thread has potential (c Chipster)

Ripper,

Heres a few other facts:

Nobody is overreacting to the friendlies in isolation, these results simply confirm what we already known.

Pools have scraped home the past two seasons and are entering the new season with a team that is mid level league two at absolute best.

Even Turner is admitting he isn't allowed to sign anyone and that without signings we are fooking doomed.

Without the best part of half the first team being replaced, Pools will be relegated, and relegated well before the end of the season. I cannot see Pools seeing much daylight outside the bottom four from day one onwards.

i played in that end of season fans game at the vic - and the comments he made that night were the same sort of thing. i'm surprised he's still at the club, regardless of whether or not i think he's good enough, he just sounded very worn down by it all that evening, and remember at that point we still had to go to brentford and stay up. after the final whistle at brentford he walked down the tunnel and didn't come back out, i thought that would be the last we saw of him.

westy had a differrent approach, he was taking the fans game reasonably seriously and trying to talk tactics etc, but in the dressing room turner said, look just ask whatever you want about the club, he was much more frank than i was expecting.

amongst other things, he said wilson left because he was frustrated by lack of funds, he said that getting o'donovan in on loan was a struggle to get approved, even tho sunderland were contributing to his wages and what it cost us for o'donovan made him the cheapest player at our club in terms of what pools had to pay. one lad asked if turner would still be here next season and he said he wasn't sure, he wanted to know he'd have funds available to strengthen as a lot of the squad weren't good enough and he didn't want another scrap against relegation. given that (as far as we can tell) he hasn't been given any funds then i'm just surprised he's still here and been the man to take them to holland and start preparations for the coming season, which is worryingly close.

i'd love to be optimistic about next season but i'm not

Saturday 8th August 2009:



Saturday 24th April 2010:
Norwich City 2 Gillingham 0

Norwich City are champions

This is why I am still positive.

As long as we don't turn into England and don't fail to turn up with the goods some how, then we should be fine.

See what I mean Ripper?

POK, I could write pages on why that comparison is ridiculous but I know I'd be wasting my time.

What I'm saying is that no matter how bad it might get at the start of season, you can always take comfort from the fact that the season is a marathon, not a sprint.

And we know all too well at this club about past marathons that we should have won, but instead fell over the finish line.

Norwich changed their manager and signed some quality players.

Say no more

The trouble is POK, we're starting the marathon without any running shoes.

The takeover could still be on in theory couldn't it?

Who's to say that whoever comes in could relieve Turner of his duties, bring someone fresh in to make those signings.

Right, so what does that tell us?

Turner must think that maybe he thinks the squad that has got can beat anyone on their day when they are all fit etc.

he said wilson left because he was frustrated by lack of funds.
Not so he left because he was caught looking at other jobs or at least that is what we were lead to believe.
Turner had the chance last season when he brought in 13.14.15 players to take us forward now he wants more money for more players if i was IOR the only thing i would give him is the toe of my boot.

1. The season hasn't started yet.
2. The transfer window doesn't close for another 5 weeks or so.
3. Not counting loan players, how much weaker is our current starting lineup to that which we had for most of last season with time still to add to it?

See what I mean Ripper, book in with your doctor pronto.

Crewe 1 - Blackpool 0, we all have challenges to overcome!

The key things about Mr Kent are that a)he is a happy person and b) there are many things in his life that make him happy. If HUFC succeed, he will be even happier than ever. if not, the other things will continue to buoy him up. Simples.

POK did you read the quotes attributed to Turner on the first post of this thread before posting that.

If not go back, it says the opposite.

But previously;


I can only assume that Mr Fireball hadn't seen that post as he seems to be trying to say that I've said things that contradict my previous quote and he wouldn't make things up just to suit his argument.

It's back to the good old days of "intense" debate, just what the board needed.

Now if IOR could just get a few things sorted................................

making stuff up again Chip?

Where has turner said that we will need a miracle to stay up?

On a positive note, at least you didn't compare me to PoK!

Is the interview in the paper longer than the one on the webshite?

He's a realistic comparison then,

yes it is.

I've bought the mail and for once, it's a good article, it quotes a lot of things from turner which are very honest for a change, but then puts the point across, as chip said, turner need to take some of the blame for giving these players long term contracts.

But they are now know as practice matches, so it doesn't really matter......

Like I said before, they could practice till Christmas, but they still look as bad as last season, if not worse

Dear Lord, there are none so blind as those who will not see. I pray for the gift of site for my blind board colleagues.

What has a couple of Div 4 tables got to do with anything?

like u said the comparison with norwich was ridiculous as they are a much bigger team, so we'll use pools and it doesnt matter about the start of a season its where u are at the end that counts

Just when I thought my mood couldn't get any lower poolsmacca09 shows us the lead we blew from a few seasons ago. Any fancy posting the penalty decision from Cardiff as it might just finish me off

ohh sorry mate, tbh i never even knew we were ever that far ahead!!

That season we had a better team that the rest of the division but early doors they performed poorly and then turned it round. That sort of thing cannot happen this season because we simply do not have good enough players. A fact even the manager has acknowledged.

That comparison is just as irrelevant as the Norwich one, Heres something better based on last season. My feeling is that we aer in a comparable position to Stockport except I can't see where the 29 goals are coming from.

No worries - I've just remembered Effion's gaol at Darlo and that's cheered me up no end

Yes, at the end of the Mail interview he says "only joking".