Sadly the DSS don't able to distinguish between unemployed people who want a job and the long term layabouts, from my recent experience

The medical exam I was given to see if I could continue on sick pay rather the jobseekers allowance had no relation to the condition I have or the operation before hand
The questions asked were irrelevant

It isn't helped by the fact some of the employees on the DSS don't actually live in the real world
My sister in laws sister works for the DSS and said to me 'If you are well enough to go for a drink, you are well enough to work
Given the fact the said 'drink' was a couple of pints of soda and lime at a comedy club, a month after a life saving operation was neither her nor there

Plus the fact most of the jobs posted in Jobcentres are cack

Of course they wouldn't, it's to much hard work for them to deal with the toe-rags

I hate the DSS & every tool head who works there (OK its a sweeping generalisation), they spoke to me like I was a clueless feckwit, given the fact a high percentage of my and millions of others tax and NI goes to funding their 28 days per yer holidays and final salary pension, they aren't going to get much sympathy from me when the axe falls

They want to try working in the public sector for a change,it might open their eyes

Re the DSS stories, I occasionally wonder whether life has always been like this, but you managed to blot it all out in the optimism of youth, or whether things really have changed. Whichever way, it does seem that almost everything you do is to someone else's agenda. It makes becoming a hermit seem like an attractive option.

You can't have it both ways; a system that's focused on so called 'scroungers' will inevitably hit the vulnerable and those deserving of assistance. Similarly, a generous system will inevitably be played by a small minority. If we place too much emphasis on that minority, the system will inevitably make it harder for deserving applicants to get a sensitive hearing.

There is no 'inevitably' about it, it is like that now

I doubt it will ever change mind

To be fair, the NHS are a polar opposite, I cannot fault anyone involved in my treatment in the past 9/10 months, the care has been excellent

I know it's like that now Chris, and it's a product of our fixation with 'scroungers'. The flip side of shouting 'this country' when reading Mail type headlines is your experience. And there are many more like you out there. All the while our attention is diverted from high stakes tax avoidance that has a much larger impact on the public purse.

the goverment should make people work for their benefits, even if its just picking up litter, making them tidy the gardens up for old people and community centres!!!! this is also something that hitler did in germany after the big crash in the 30's

Giving them vouchers for essential like food is a reasonable idea.

In Germany the vouchers can't be used on alcohol or tobacco products.

This will mean that families who are on the border-line of poverty have a way to eat, but they wont be able to spend on alcohol and tobacco, it seems a win-win situation to me.

If they want them so called "luxuries" for themselves then they get off their backsides and earn the money to do so, but the basics are catered for by the welfare vouchers.

I say "luxuries" as that's how they see them not me.

Gerrin! Let's all talk about how good Hitler was. Maybe we can start a Faecebook group. (misspelling intended)

Why not adopt more of Herr Hitler's ideas we could round them up and send them to a "holiday camp" in Poland

That really backs it up as a great idea, doesn't it.

Do keep up you two!

Just agreeing with you Monty, no law against that is there, where do you think you are Nazi Germany?

Five Godwinnable posts out of six. That has to be some kind of record.

Monty's back... Now where's dibble hiding??

Aye, but under Adolf everyone had a fridge & a car....

On another note, why are all these neo-nazi's the polar opposite of the aryan race the little chap so much looked forward to?

so I'm a nazi now cause I said Hitler done this in the 30's, so if I said Churchil sent in the black'n'tans into Ireland and killed men,woman and children, then I must be irish lovin nazi IRA member. So Hitler gave his people more than just the death camps, he gave them a welfare system as well, which they had to work for, which was what chip was saying they should do in england and sorry to say this but I actually agree with chip... yeah I know there's no hope for me now.......

Yes but if you're talking about an idea you agree with and then say 'So-and so did it', the implication is that you think So-and-so is an estimable person worth copying.

God, I wish I had a nazi to do my garden at the minute. It's full of litter.

Good idea Ms G, my garden could do with weeding and the fence could do with painting and not only can I not be arsed I can't find anybody wanting to do it for me either.

We could put an ad out in the paper, I suppose: 'Nazis needed for demeaning tasks'. Though, how that would end up after the usual Mail misprints' treatment, I don't know.

believe what you want!!!! but I'll tell you another policy in germany, they dont give disabled people cars, their policy is if you can walk 30 ft, then you can walk to a taxi and that's what they get and if they cant walk they get a wheel chair, now wouldnt that be a good idea to get all the scrounges off mobility and put the cash back into the NHS. You might not like the germans (and I dont like them) but they have some good idea's in the past and present. And before you shout about gas chambers and that, look into our past, americans,french,belgiums and the dutch to name a few have been right not nice people to the people who were onder our rule.

So you don't like Germans eh? I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW MY MOTHER WAS ... well not German but that's beside the point...

The real point is, Mr Isosmurf, and you can be forgiven for not knowing this if you are new to message boards, that any reference to Hitler or the Nazis is considered a cheap shot, a cliché, and automatically loses you the debate for not being able to find a more original/pertinent/creative comparison/analogy/whatever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

the thing is Hilter was crazy there is no mistake, but when you live in a democratic society you are allowed to discuss everything even if its not so politically correct and Hitler did do some good things for Germany at first...... and by the way my ex father-in-law is german( wife was dutch) and I do get on well with him.. well except for football, but we'll not mention that

There has been plenty of times in my work over the last couple of years where i was out of work and should have signed on but i couldnt bring myself to go down

I broke my hand in November and went to the hospital and was told they wanted to operate on it(which i didnt want to) or they could put it in plaster for about 2 months. I thought i'll go on the sick and when i phoned they sent me a shit load of forms and wanted to know every mortal bit of my life, i threw them in the bin, strapped my hand up and went back to work

If you 'Google' the word godwinnable (of course I did already know what you meant), your post comes out on top!!

Along with your reply - get the fook in!

just laughed out loud at that comment