jeez some people are easily pleased.

i'm totally ambivalent about his appointment to be honest. he hasnt done anything of note for nearly 10 years, and if it means turner stays as manager with west being the fall guy for a pisspoor season, then im absolutely gutted.

my main hope for the summer was that we would be getting a new manager. if we arent then i cant see how things will improve.

i honestly cant think of one single positive thing that has happened at pools since the season ended. its gonna take some huge signings to rekindle the last embers of interest i have in hartlepool united.


And do you know what the signings wont come and you will still have exactly the same interest in pools as you always have had. The same as all of us. It doesn't need rekindling as the fire never goes out

Unfortuately what Chip says there is similar to how a LOT of long term supporters feel. Whether we like it or not, the "die-hards" are starting to give up so it doesnt bode well.

The club are so arrogant and distant from that supporters that they are just alienating them more and more. Im really hoping that the club FINALLY learn from their mistakes of past seasons and come good.

Aye, that'll be why season ticket sales are good won't it.

But why let facts get in the way of another anti-Pools post eh.

Supporters? Wrong word.

My dad feels the same way mate and hasn't renewed his season ticket for the first time in 25 years, that says a hell of a lot to me about the current manager / DOS. My dad said he will just go to matches he feels like it or can really afford as long as turner is there as he doesnt see us turning the corner anytime soon. All this coming for a bloke that went during the viv busby era, its the fact that we have had the backing from IOR but have done bugger all with it.

I don't have exact numbers.

My info comes from people who might have an idea about these kind of things.

Your comment about being "slightly" down on this time last year doesn't indicate the supposed apathy that you and others are preaching abounds. It just smacks of more anti-Pools whinging, it's sad.

The season ticket numbers could be the same or even up but that is due to the 19 and under price.
There is loads of kids at the 6th form getting under 19 tickets for family and friends at the knock down price i could have got one.
so maybe if the club showed how much money has be made through season tickets this season and not just numbers sold would be a good guide.

It'd be an even better idea if they make sure that all of the concession season tickets are issued in conjunction with an id card so that only the person entitled to the concession is allowed to use it.

you can't really go on the book number because they just had a big box on the floor and just picked any out of it

mind the daughter got in with a u16 and she's 25,also reserve games they don't even look inside the book so it could be years old

That's the point.

The turnstile operators don't bother.

That should be changed so that they have to check the ticket against an id card for a concession ticket, at a separate concession ticket turnstile, and if the person doesn't match the photo on the id card they should be turned away.

If they don't do this they might aswell just have one flat ticket price regardless of age if they're not going to administer it properly.

I know exactly where chip is coming from because I feel the same, although I have bought our usual three season tickets.
I also have not looked at the away fixtures yet because the usual enthusiasm to plan the trips is not there yet.
That has a chance to change.
I am trying to be positive, hence my favourable reaction to Wadsworth's appointment.
However, for the life of me, I have no faith in Turner.
His record speaks volumes and, as Chip says, there is no point in lying about how you feel.
At this moment in time we three are all agreed that we're giving it one more season.
I'm pulling on the strength of all my years of travelling up and down the country watching my team, but it really is getting harder.
If I was to be brutally honest I would admit that the reason I've renewed my ST is that it will force me to go as otherwise I would start missing a few games and that is the slippery slope.
Here's hoping eh.

People moan like buggery about getting discounted tickets available for a certain age group though and then abuse the system.

All that will happen if it's abused is that it'll be stopped, and the only way to ensure that it isn't abused is to put some kind of photo id with the ticket and then ensure that the turnstile operators strictly check them and turn people away where necessary.

the nephews ticket has got an id card with it but i don't think they have ever looked at it

Both myself and my daughter's tickets have ID cards (with photos).
We have never been asked to show corresponding ID.
I actually hand over my book and let the gadgie on the turnstile tear the game ticket out............they never check the ID, which is in the book.
Deffo needs tightening up.

whats the deal with student tickets then, when i had an nus card i had to take it to the ticket office every match to get a concession ticket, but that was on a match by match basis.

You do the same if you want a student ST. Pools then issue you with an ID which goes in your ST book.

Re: season ticket sales

Didnt someone on here saying the club shop staff said we'd sold just over a thousand and we sold 1900 last season. That figure suggests to me that we're going to see a massive reduction in sales from last season, which was always going to be the way considering.

I did say that, but SP still seemed confident of equalling/passing last seasons total. A lot will depend now on how many more take up the finance options.

"season ticket sales are good", comparitively speaking yes, compared the the friggin loids. The club can say otherwise all they like, anyone with an ounce of sense can see through it. Season ticket sales are NOT good*

*not yet anyway

i've just been sick a little bit in my mouth......i agree with Grave

Welcome to the dark side.

...and which fecking bounder has hacked my avatar "thingy".

and the same ripper who bleated like fuckin baby last season about season tickets and so on and yet now has a seemingly different standpoint.

"supporters, wrong word" he says, i could think of a few......

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Somebody should change the name of this forum to "The Anti-Hartlepool United Message Board".

Almost every Pools related post is slagging off the club and people bigging up their own indifference to Pools to try and out-do the others claiming to be disillusioned.

Obviously it's just me who thinks that it's sad that everybody just seems to want to have a go at the club. Maybe it's cos all of the other people who don't agree that everything Pools related is shite have been ground down and buggered off elsewhere and left this place to the moaners and the Anti-Pools brigade?

We get a new coach and he's apparently shit? What were people expecting? Somebody to wrap in at Man U or Newcastle to come to Pools? Even then people on here would've found something wrong with whoever it was. People seem to want the moon on a stick and if they don't get it then it's cos HUFC is rubbish.

P.S. Mr Katcha, I haven't had a season ticket for a few years now and therefore haven't cared about their policy on them nevermind "bleated like a baby". I go to the matches I can get to and don't go to the ones that I can't, it's quite a simple philosophy and it works for me.

but nobody was expecting some shiit hot coach to come in from Manu U or newcastle


Whoever we appointed would have his "record" looked at. Presumbly he is a decent coach but an iffy manager if the evidence is considered.People have spent a lot of time criticising the club lately becuse IT IS WARRANTED in many instances. Sometimes the club will be praised and a lot of the time opinon is divided.

Unfortuately in these threads you feel the need to adopt this "wholier than thou" attitude and exaggurate the level of criticism aimed at the club.

The club has not done themselves many favours lately and the level of support even amongst the diehards has declined as a consequence. Nobody on here is anti-pools,they just feel that criticism is deserved. Hopefully the club will sort themelves out and support will improve. You are certainly are not helping matters by coming out with all this bollocks about hate campaigns against the club etc.

you prefer mr, i prefer Sir. and you did bleat like a wee bairn and if i could be arsed to get the threads relating to how many times you harped on about s/tickets this time last year, it would be a full on weepie.

So speaks the king of fabrications and spin. The guy who likes to make things up or use selective quotes out of context to try and prove a point.

Sad.

Very sad.

Almost as sad as the fact that you lot can't see how negative you're being. You probably all think that you're right and that Pools are going to hell in a hand cart.

If you want a good reason to be positive about things look along the A66. They are in shit street. They are churning managers quicker than McDonalds churn burger servers and on a mega slide. The way you lot talk you think that either we're in the same boat or you'd be over the moon if we were so that you could say I told you so and have a real reason to moan.

Pools are a well run club. They don't deliberately try and piss the fans off, even if some of us might think they do sometimes. We're in the best most prolonged succesful period in the club's history yet people still have to find things to twist about or hang their apparent apathy on.

Surely we should all be here to support the club, not to bang on about how we used to go loads but we're not going to anymore cos you're not getting your own way? If you don't want to go to the match then don't, just don't necessarily think that you should be coming on here banging on to everybody else about why you'd rather go to the pub, play poker, go to an art gallery, go shopping or whatever. If that's your want then go and find a website for one of those things and make friends with people to go shopping with.

Yes, I admit that I get annoyed at the match when players are sub-standard or not performing and I might on occasions tell them so. That's getting caught up in the passion of the match and giving a shit. It's a whole world away from coming on here and calling Chris Turner or Ken Hodcroft a cnt, like some folk on here seem to get off on. Or trying to whip up Anti-Pools sentiments by spreading unfounded gossip about "party cultures" and that all of our players are drunks or cokeheads like has been alluded to on here on more than one occasion. What is that meant to achieve? It's not even proven to be true, but it's spouted by people as gospel and some people actually start to believe it and spread it further. What good do you think that does to Pools and to attendances? Why do people want to spread apathy because all it will do is facilitate a downward spiral that isn't currently there? The only explanation to me is that they are miserable negative bastads and not real supporters.

Dig away, I like a laugh if that's what floats your boat.

Find me all of the threads from last summer when I moaned about season ticket prices.

And while you're on about the centenary offer, I still think that was wrong I just don't bang on and on about it years later like you seem to like to do. It's in the past, it's gone, forgotten, history. Let it go.

No doubt i'll be accused of being an arse licker but that is a fantastic post.

Fantastic post. It would be good to read more posts like it.

well said ripper i cant wait for season
to start im worried about the season
but thats part of supporting your club

If you want to talk "hyprocitical fooking arsehole" (your words not mine) then look in the mirror.

I've never hounded anybody out of Pools.

I've never said that people can't question things.

I'm not even trying to set myself up as a judge of who is and isn't a true supporter.

But you seem to like telling lies. Why not repeat your current favourite about our team being all drunks and cokeheads, you seem to get off on that little gem of bullshit.

I enjoyed reading that and agree in full.

What a nasty, spiteful, horrible and childish set of retorts,

yr a spineless fooking coward ripper.

you hypocritical fooking arsehole.

Nice

This thread is just weird.

I dislike a lot of the things the club has done over the past couple of years, mostly they are very small things and it does point to a club that is being badly run in some areas. Perhaps not as a business or even putting things back into the community but certainly from the POV of getting the town as a whole to follow the club and from keeping those occasional fans from drifting away.

Season ticket offers are always going to polarise opinion, so are moved match days, closing stands to home fans to try and get in extra cash, closing the ticket office early.

Oh and if our players are all druggies then they're doing much better for it than some of the scruffy twats I see in the town centre on an afternoon.

I will be at Victoria park next season, but it doesn't mean I need to be happy about the fact Turner is still our boss and all of our targets seem to be finding other clubs. I have very little optimism left for the coming season, and this isn't based on pointless negativity but I can already see statements that will come from the manager about us being a small club and competing against massive teams rolled out as a pre excuse on a friday. If that attitude is the same as the one he displays in the dressing room then we might as well just all stay in the Mill House and watch Jeff Stelling, but everytime I go to a match as the whistle blows I ignore that feeling and hope that I see some spirit and fight and that we muller the oppositon 22-0, no matter how much I dislike Turners current form or way of dealing with the fans and his statements to the press I don't want us to lose.

I think this is where the silly bickering is simmering from, some of us feel upset or annoyed or apathetic because of things that others just ignore. But I am pretty certain that come 3pm on Saturday 7th August not one Hartlepool United fan will be hoping Rochdale get off to a winning start against us. And even if they do and we lost 12 games in a row I would be angry and want something to be changed but I would still be backing them to go and get 3 points in their next game.

The thing is, there are a lot of poisonous comments on this site and it reads as if the instigators are not actually Pools fans.

The club is run as a business and therefore business decisions will be made. Unfortunately, football is like that now. We are not unique to it. I actually think we are pretty good at keeping crap in house which shows our professionalism.

Things could be far, far worse. I was disappointed with a lot of last season and would have welcomed a change as a knee-jerk reaction. Where would that get us though? No guarantee of any success. It could backfire.

We have brought in an excellent coach which I see as a positive move. Before last season, the club spoke of it's intention of building and having a long term plan. That seems to have been forgotten by some "fans" who expect things to be done on a whim and panic set in.

I'm happy to see what happens this season. I'm a supporter and will remain so.

Daft petty name calling on here explains my infrequent posting. It's a bit boring to be honest.

Hurling abuse?

You're living in another world.

Yes, I get annoyed and have shouted if somebody's playing crap (e.g. Jan Budtz but NOT the others that you mention), but not direct abuse like you're making out.

I won't lower myself to personal insults like you're doing, you're not worth the time or the effort and you'd probably only look to trawl them up in a few years time as some example of how I started abusing you for no reason.

why has it turned into childrens hour recently on the board?

"Well my dad is bigger than your dad, so there!"

it's bad craic all this, lads. I bet people wouldn't have fallen out if the message board wasn't here because there wouldn't have been the medium to have achieved such an outcome!!! Not saying the board's a bad thing, generally it's a very good thing -for humour and passing on info and opinions - and it's essential reading for me.
Sometimes we all lose our rag (I've done it recently but I apologised to the bloke in a pm)
I now take the attitude that I'd rather just have a laugh and keep out of the contentious stuff - I have my opinions but now I'm not going to get uptight about others whose views differ from mine. I can't see the point when two diametrically opposed views will only cause a thread to end up about 10 pages long - it's a self fulfilling prophecy!!!

It is only a forum for airing views after all - we shouldn't be using it to throw virtual stones at each other

Concurring fully Mr Parmo.

Ripper and Chipster are pools through and through there is no doubt about that and you can see both points of view but as Parmo says its not worth falling out over.

I have no intention of falling out with anybody Mr MoD.

That's why I'm not calling people hypocritical fooking arseholes and spineless fooking cowards because that's just sad.

Thought you had fallen out with me Mr Ripper turned up to play footie for you. my side lashed yours 18-6 and i've never seen you since.

Knee been bad mate, hopefully will be there next week!

Half of what you write is bull and the other half's all shit.

It's even sadder that the quotes you drag up are from so long ago that Nelson was still playing for us.

I would imagine that every one of us would love to be excited at the prospects of another season looming up.
The fact is that some people are not excited at the prospect.
Various reasons are quoted for this lack of enthusiasm but the fact is that disillusionment with Pools is real and needs to be addressed.
There are far too many supporters either in this mode or very near to it
Poolies who criticise are being accused of being non supporters or negative. That is daft simply because anybody who didn't care about Pools or wasn't a supporter wouldn't be coming on here expressing an opinion in the first place.
Chip was asked his opinion and he had the good grace to give an answer. For that reason alone his reply has to be respected.
I am a supporter of Hartlepool United, I know that for a fact. But what is a supporter????

Everybody who is associated with Pools in whatever capacity gets a fair crack of the whip from me.......they all get a chance..........even Scotty. However when it becomes obvious to me that they are not good enough then I express concern.
That is not unique..............that is what happens at every football club up and down the country.
Over the last few seasons people have voted with their feet. We could all do that but some of us are still hanging in there and give vent to our feelings on here where it has less impact on the fortunes of the club.
Criticism for or against the club does not determine who is a supporter or who isn't. All it does is define opinion borne from a genuine interest in the club.

i think a major part of the problem isn't suggesting Turner isn't up for the job, i reckon most would agree with that.

The issue is how many times its brought up. I don't need to hear from Grave 5 times a day that Turner is a ****, I don't need to hear several times a week that Turners record is shite since he came back and that he averages 1.023 points per game on average. I don't need to constantly hear that this person or that person is disillusioned and won't go again until Turner fucks off.

Turners tactical ability has been discussed to death, yet tomorrow there will be another thread slagging off his tactical ability, or the things he says to the press, or the players we have missed out on.

The problem i have, and i'm sure a lot of people will agree, is the regurgatation of the same old posts day in, day out. It has become boring, its been done to death.

We know who dislikes Turner and we all know why, yet i'm positive we will all be told yet again that Turners a ****, he has a shite record, is bad at discussing stuff with the press and is tacticall inept.

Its like Alzheimers Anonymous on here and its fucking boring.

i put someone on my ignore list once and took them back off after about 2 days. If i disagree with someone then i'll tell them, not ignore them. Its immature.

As for this thread being Oi, You! you, its irrelevant. You and derwent were discussing something and didn't understand why people where constantly jumping on peoples back when they are negative, all i did was try to provide an insight as to why. If you think it was bollocks, thats fine by me

Why are you pushing everyone away Mark, are you scared of making friends?

enjoy x