"I can assure all fans that if we get these players that we're chasing then they'll be pleased with the signings."

Good.

I hope that he's right.

It's time that some people cut the bloke and the club some slack and waited to see how our squad looks for next season before deciding that we're relegation certainties and slagging everybody off who dares to question how shite next season will supposedly be.

Joe Cole to Pools

I think the problem is many have lost faith with him not the squad or potential signings. He made some decent signings last season.

I'd love him to turn it around but that is going to take some doing.

Like you said, in I think it was April, Turner wasn't the man for the job, you were saying you would give him till the end of the season and reassess your opinion. Which was a fair enough comment. Your opinion is now to let him build another new squad and therefore , presumably give him another season.

I can't see how you come to that opinion.

Because surely by finishing 5th bottom for the second season running, you can't really be saying he's now the man for the job, when he wasn't a month prior to the last season finishing.

I still believe he's not the man for the job and I base that on his managerial record.

I won't slag you off for changing your opinion from a couple of months ago when you thought he wasn't right for the job then though.

Pools could sign Ronaldo, Messi and Rooney and they would still get beat regularly under Turner. Good signings are only as effective as the manager - I won't hold my breath waiting for us to start winning more often

New season, new players, lets forget about last season and move on from here!!

I agree to a point Macca, but without being to critical I don't personally see how things can improve. I want to be proved wrong, but at this moment I believe I wont be.

Your asking fans to put their trust in a caretaker manager (and he's still only caretaker) who since taking over on December 15th 2008, has been in charge for 78 games, and has won 22 losing 39 (which takes no working out is 50%,or exactly half) and drew 17.

That's 83 points out of a possible 234 in other words.

So 83 points from 78 games is 1.064 points per game so on that basis your looking at the grand sum of 48/49 points next season.

No one on here needs telling what 48/49 points will mean.

I can't really say that record fills me with hope. But I will come on here and say I was wrong if we don't struggle this season.

using the past to predict the future isn't exactly the most accurate way of doing things Bob.

It's what I do all day at work.

Unless of course you support Darlow

mr fetish of those 22 games which was won are you counting brighton which could also be classed as a defeat

predict Pools' relegation?

Yes they're very easy going about what I do with the time they pay me for!












Or maybe I meant that to set a Direct Debit for a customers usage for the next year, it is calculated on what they have used over the last 12 months.

i'm assuming your in the leccy & gas industry?

Do you not take into account extraordinary events, like a extraordinarily harsh winter? Would you base next winters DDs on last years unusually harsh winter?

True but if that was the case no manager would ever be sacked, would they.

Why did Liverpool just get rid of Benitez, could it have anything to do with them losing 19 games last season........I would say Yes.

Because I'm sure he believed he would get it right next season.

Why did Hull put Brown on gardening leave was it because they were top and looking like getting in to the Champions League.....No they were struggling.

Football management is a result orientated job. Always has been, always will be, they live or die by results and points won.

So that's why I use the past, most chairmen do the same, it's my opinion that that record is not good enough to still be in the manager's job.

If your opinion is different what do you base that on. Hope, Faith, dreams I have all of them, but sometimes the head rules the heart, with regards to Turner getting it right next season my head just happens to be stronger than my heart at this moment in time.

But I will still be there next season.



Yes but the points were won on the playing field so I counted them.

Without them his points per game fall to 1.03.

NPower did they raised my direct Debit from £69 to £128 for both gas and electric and when I asked why they said I had used an awful lot of gas this winter gone, though they did say so did everyone else. I asked why it had never been lowered in previous years and funnily enough they couldn't answer me.

End of gas/electric supply from NPower and over to Scottish Power.

So I'm taking into account an extraoridinary poor season and saying the book has to stop somewhere.

If Fetish Bob falls over in the forest, does he still make a noise?

part of my point Bob, is that we gained 53 points last season, a very slight improvement on the 50 we finished on the season before. your points prediction if you had done it this time last year would have seen us finish with 40 odd points too, but we didnt, so i guess what i'm saying is its not as simple as that.

They say one player does not make a team and its completely true, but it doesn't help when James Brown has only been fit for around 25(???) games of Turners 70 odd game reign.

Let me make it clear that i agree with you and think Turner is EXTREMELY lucky to still be in the managers seat, but things fluctuate and change, he might get lucky with 2 or 3 signings and get even luckier with his tactics next season, there is no guarantee either way.

Correct. There is no reason to suspect that next winter will be milder than the latest one, so as the most up to date information available, then that is what would be used. Of course it's not set in stone, and the payment can always be renegotiated.

Just like opinions on Turners ability as a manager, if he is successful next season, can be revised.

Disagree entirely with the point you're trying to make here. Turner got off lightly with injuries and suspensions last season, we've had far worse in most of the previous seasons.

Last season Pools played 50 games(including cup games)

Full record W15, D11 L24

So previous season under Turner must read

P28, W7 D6, L15 so YES he improved his points per game ratio from 0.96 to 1.064 all of 0.104 points extra per game.

You state you think Turner is extremely lucky to still be in a job, you must therefore be basing that opinion on his previous record there's nothing else to go on, for you to say it.

So your using his past record in just the same way as I am.

I admire your optimism, I'm usually more optimistic than most on here, but the truth is I fear a season of struggle. But I will still be at games giving my support both to the team and financially for the club.

And Brown appeared in 33 out of 50 games last season, missing 3 cup games so he missed 17 league games , granted almost a 1/3rd of the league season, but Turner said he had got cover for all positions and we were stronger than the 2008/09 season, he also signed 15 players, he wont sign anywhere near that this season so to get lucky with 2 or 3 good signings is going to take a lot based on that fact.

And to get luckier with his tactics is funny, to get lucky with them he has to have some first.

They have a goal at their end , we have a goal at our end, if we put the ball in their net more than they put it in our's we win, people pay to much to tactics comes to mind.

Maybe he will, let's all hope so.

If he'd been fit for the last 70 odd games he wouldn't be playing for Pools anymore.

One player wouldn't cover countless poor decisions, and ridiculous comments.

New season, same inept bloke in charge, he can say all he likes he has to win football games something which he has failed to do enough.

Chris Turner, nice bloke but the tactical ability of Douglas Haig in a particularly repetitive mood.

that statue of Haig was (rightly) melted down
Turner has also been in meltdown for far too long

At least three or four of them will do well for Pools next season, but hey, why let sensible things like giving them a chance to settle into a different league or not have a summer off get in the way of a good anti-Turner and anti-Pools rant.

It's quite sad that it's usually the same old faces looking at every opportunity to have a go. Especially as most of those doing it would class themselves as "Super Fans" cos they go to loads of away games. "Super miserable venemous moaning old gits" springs more to mind.

I bet that most of these SMVMOG's are saving their posts in their hope that they can come up with the old "I told you so" argument next season. I hope that Pools surprise them so that their words can be shoved firmly back down their throats. But hey, what do I know, I just want Pools to do well and can't understand what good slagging them off at every opportunity in pre-season does.

at least the club are putting the money up for turner (and his scouts) to go out and try and get the players he needs.

flinders and austin were also signed last season but don't get a mention because errrr they turned out ok and had decent seasons.

although still a bit prone to the odd mistake, sam collins looked a better player having gary liddle alongside him, oh and gary liddle ends up having a decent season at centre-half instead of midfield, but don't mention that either cos it must have happened by mistake.

we lacked players of joel porter's quality up front and a willie boland in midfield, hopefully with a rest and good pre-seasons brown & gamble could maybe fill them postions.

As PJ said in his post alot of fans have lost interest or not bovvered one way or the other now.

I think most fans are interested and are 'bovvered' one way or the other or they wouldnt really be 'fans'.

I went to more than one away game last season.

Hope that helps.

Turner's building the team around long ball, we won't see any skilful midfielders come in over the summer. Probably a big clogger defender, a steady away tough tackling left back and (another) target man.

If he thinks this is the way to bring fans back then he's deluded. He told certain players when they left that we have "no need for young creative midfielders the way we're going to play". Expect to see a lot more of Humps this year.

Sorry but Chris Turner did not say that to Jonny Rowell. Another made up fact eh?

It seems to be the norm on here at the moment, make something up to back up an argument or wind up the torch burners.

Yes, I made it up to impress everyone on here who hates Turner.

Or it's true.

Not bothered either way to be honest, just thought some people would like to know.

Now where's my torch and pitchfork?

another one of the not bothered either way brigade

To be fair if something smells like bullshit and looks like bullshit, then it probably is bullshit. No offence like.

Let's hope he doesn't class Brown as a midfielder or he'll release him too!

Anything to get a dig in at Chris Turner. It's not even worth reading anymore, it's just bile.

I want Pools (and Turner) to do well, why wouldn't I? And if we do it with direct football then so be it, I just think it's not the way forward.

Every Pools fan wants the team to do well..............of that there can't be any doubt surely.
Problem for quite a lot of people is that they don't see doing well as being synonomous with Turner being in charge.
Until that changes, either by him dramatically improving his record at this level or disappearing, then it is a safe bet that criticism will rise and attendances will fall.
Turner gets criticism for his appalling record and breathtaking arrogance in thinking that he is up for the job and the club get criticism for continuing to sanction it.

There again we are little old Hartlepool, a club punching above our weight and who measure success by not getting relegated from league one. After all we are building up a formidable record of league one tenure. I wonder why the Vic isn't bursting at the seams at every home game as eager fans recognise our lofty position.
We are an ungrateful lot aren't we?????????????

Or maybe.........................................

I will presume I fall into the category of the same old faces looking at every opportunity to have a go.

At the end of the 2008/09 season i stated I didn't think Turner was the correct man for the job.

After seeing good performances at MK, Coventry,Gillingham,Oldham and the comeback from 2-0 down at Stockport to get a draw I said on here that he was on his way to proving me wrong, by the end of the season I felt he had proved me right.

I so want to say on here I was wrong and not I told you so, and if proved wrong I will do so.

I have also said on here I don't consider myself a so called super fan, every fan is the same in my eyes.

What I consider myself is a "lucky" fan as when I was in the fire service I was able to get cover off for most games whether home or away, mates would do 7pm-10pm on a night shift if we were at home,others would do full night shifts if we were away and I returned the time owed by working shifts when Pools weren't playing. Now I'm retired I can go so once more just lucky not a super fan, there is no such thing, only in the eyes of people who want to have a go at other fans. Whether a fan attends 1 game per season or 46 I won't have a go, each to their own personnel circumstances, though I do have "friendly" digs at mates I go with, but not fans I don't know. If someone spends £5 in the club shop on sale items because that's all he can afford then he just as much a fan as me. And attends every other home game because that's all he has disposable income for , once more he just as much a fan as someone who attends every game.

I don't consider myself to be "slagging off" Turner or Pools here. my opinion is constructive criticism of a man who has failed since becoming manager in December 2008.

People get criticised in all aspects of life, it's part of life, whether it your boss for being late, not completing something on time or your wife for going out with mates to much, being useless in bed whatever.

As fans our opinions will differ, but are you not slagging off fans in the same way you state some are slagging off Turner, this is a forum for discussions, it would be rather boring if we all had the same opinion,, but you feel you can call people "Super miserable venemous moaning old gits" well you must fall into that category as your moaning about other peoples opinions.

Your opinion that some players may be better next season may well be right, Turner hasn't needed a summer off, he hasn't had to settle into a new country/region. His record speaks for itself 1.064 points per game over 78 games, that speaks for itself, it's not slagging him off, it slagging(your words) his ability as a manager off. he is a decent bloke, I do believe he loves Pools and wants what's best for them(we all do) but it's his ability to manage that I'm having a go at, not Turner as a person.

people are entitled to show their support for the club just as you are entitled to your views on the manager, its not blindly kissing turners arse.

the only signs that the club are drifting back to pre-ior days are in the attendance figures and at the end of the day, if ior want to keep turner in charge then so be it, nothing said on here or banners brought out during matches are going to change that.

move on to next season

I agree wholeheartedly with that, opinions are what football is all about.

Blindly kissing Turner's arse is probably as bad to you as being called a Super miserable venemous moaning old git is to some who are in the opposite camp
.

I will show my support for the club but I won't just accept things that I think need changing, I will have my say.

Yes, come on next season, but I will bet that all the Turner fans won't agree with every decision he makes and they will have a say on here, team selection will be wrong, tactics the same, just like I will agree with some things he does. But I'm still in the "we need a change of manager" camp, based solely on his record, nothing else.

Blindly kissing his arse?

That's just so funny it doesn't really warrant a response.

I will just ask though, who is blindly kissing his arse?

Which I have done so on many different occasions in several similar threads to this.

Yet the likes of yourself and Fetish, Grave etc. all choose to ignore those posts and skim on to your next opportunity to slag off Turner, slag off IOR, slag off Hodcroft, slag off anything associated with Pools.

Regardless of how many games you attend it really is genuinely questionable whether or not you can actually be classed as a supporter.

oh and which point is that? oh it must be turner is a shite manager point?

silly me

Pro Turner camp

A little less abuse?

Arse Lickers
Retards
Spacktards


I do hope the above serve as a reminder of the mild abuse aimed at 'folk' by your good self