Brown will remain PM

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

He has just made a statement that he will support the Liberals demand for election reform (PR) Cameron has already rejected this so Clegg obviously has to go with Brown.

It'll be a new lib-lab pact and hopefully a more successful one that last time.

grabec · **Posted:** Fri May 07, 2010 2:03 pm

Mr I wrote:

He has just made a statement that he will support the Liberals demand for election reform (PR) Cameron has already rejected this so Clegg obviously has to go with Brown.

It'll be a new lib-lab pact and hopefully a more successful one that last time.

...but Brown can't possibly imagine that he's going to be allowed to head the coalition? confised

So, who will head it?

alienlife · **Posted:** Fri May 07, 2010 2:05 pm

grabec wrote:

Mr I wrote:

He has just made a statement that he will support the Liberals demand for election reform (PR) Cameron has already rejected this so Clegg obviously has to go with Brown.

It'll be a new lib-lab pact and hopefully a more successful one that last time.

...but Brown can't possibly imagine that he's going to be allowed to head the coalition? confised

So, who will head it?

He will need to head it initially as the leader of the main party and the current PM. Once this is sorted then a leadership challege could come from within the Labour party, the main reason it didn't last time was that none of the possible candidates wanted to be the election losing party leader.

grabec · **Posted:** Fri May 07, 2010 2:59 pm

alienlife wrote:

He will need to head it initially as the leader of the main party and the current PM. Once this is sorted then a leadership challege could come from within the Labour party, the main reason it didn't last time was that none of the possible candidates wanted to be the election losing party leader.

But I feel Clegg would insist on more say in the leadership than that. After all, there are other people within Labour who would be just as bad to work with. That Ed Balls twerp, for a start.

alleztfc · **Posted:** Fri May 07, 2010 3:00 pm

I've heard it all now.
Cameron offering electoral reform to Clegg

grabec · **Posted:** Fri May 07, 2010 3:16 pm

I think Cameron's offered a commision to consider electoral reform. In other words, something that can take a nice, long time and in the end be considered unviable. Don't think Clegg will fall for that one.

monkeyhanger1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:40 pm **Posts:** 112

Mr I wrote:

He has just made a statement that he will support the Liberals demand for election reform (PR) Cameron has already rejected this so Clegg obviously has to go with Brown.

It'll be a new lib-lab pact and hopefully a more successful one that last time.

cameron has stated that he wants to work with Clegg and will look at the needed reforms - his statement on Tees after lunch

The Fat Man · **Joined:** Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:03 pm **Posts:** 2107

grabec wrote:

I think Cameron's offered a commision to consider electoral reform. In other words, something that can take a nice, long time and in the end be considered unviable. Don't think Clegg will fall for that one.

Let's hope not!

Compo · **Posted:** Fri May 07, 2010 3:48 pm

The Fat Man wrote:

grabec wrote:

I think Cameron's offered a commision to consider electoral reform. In other words, something that can take a nice, long time and in the end be considered unviable. Don't think Clegg will fall for that one.

Let's hope not!

From the BBC, as POK isnt here:

"I want to make a big, open and comprehensive offer to the Liberal Democrats. I want us to work together in tackling our country's big and urgent problems - the debt crisis, our deep social problems and our broken political system," he said.

While there were policy disagreements between the Tories and Lib Dems - including on the European Union and defence - there were also "many areas of common ground".

The Conservatives agreed with the Lib Dem on ideas such as a "pupil premium" in schools, a low-carbon economy, tax reform and shared opposition to Labour's ID cards scheme.

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12382

Clegg has got an offer from Brown for immediate electoral reform as against an enquiry from Cameron.
He would be daft to throw away the chance of immediate reform.
That's what the country wants, a fairer system.
IF the Tories opposed it they would risk the wrath of the electorate and if they didn't the grass roots of the party and a considerable number of MPS would vent their wrath. The Tories can't win on this.
Gordon Brown is playing crafty here.
PR for instance would mean the centre left would keep the Tories out forever. The Lib dems would have to move further right to form future coalitions with the Tories.
Currently 23% of the seats would give them approx 150 seats. Added to Labours 29% (188 seats) they would have a sizeable majority if they worked together.
This is a big chance for the Liberals.
More people would consider voting for them as the idea that lots of people have that voting Liberal is a wasted vote. There are currently six million people who would go for it.
Revolution is on the horizon.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Fri May 07, 2010 7:17 pm

grabec wrote:

alienlife wrote:

He will need to head it initially as the leader of the main party and the current PM. Once this is sorted then a leadership challege could come from within the Labour party, the main reason it didn't last time was that none of the possible candidates wanted to be the election losing party leader.

But I feel Clegg would insist on more say in the leadership than that. After all, there are other people within Labour who would be just as bad to work with. That Ed Balls twerp, for a start.

What about his lovely wife, Uma?

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

I posted this before Camerons statement. Now it seems pretty clean that it will be a Cameron/Clegg coalition. Much better than the Broon option.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Fri May 07, 2010 8:11 pm

chip fireball wrote:

much better for who though ?

camerons big pledges before the election werethe scapping of inheritance tax for the super rich and scrapping the labour plans to increase national insurance. both were done to appease the super rich who funded the campaign so he cant bite the hand that fed.

to pay for that and reduce the deficit like he said he would is going to take some massive public spending cuts or a sharp rise in vat the one thing cameron didnt rule out before the election.

however there's no way on gods earth clegg can approve either of those things, without destroying both his credibility and his party.

labour seemed content to allow brown to lose this election and they now seem keen to allow the tories and the liberals to form a government that cant possibly work long term.

for all the world it looks like mandleson and the millibands are playing the long game, and cameron is playing the short game.

labour dont fancy another election now under brown, but i bet they would love one next year under a new leader.

Bring back Blair

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

Mr Avenger, if you're going to dangle a hook, try not to make it quite so obvious.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Fri May 07, 2010 8:22 pm

Mr I wrote:

Mr Avenger, if you're going to dangle a hook, try not to make it quite so obvious.

The fact is Blair would of wiped the floor with Cameron, as would Mandy

The Tories needed a strong character to win this election outright, Cameron isn't the one

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Sat May 08, 2010 7:48 am

If they do a deal with the LibDems then they'll scrap the inheritance tax change. It was always a red herring anyway, as anybody who wants to get around the current rules just goes to see a specialist solicitor to draw up their wills and tax planning.

Dunno about anybody else but part of me thinks that Clegg is just playing a game at the minute to "talk" to the Conservatives first as he always said but will eventually get into bed with Labour and they'll give the country a right royal shafting between them.

Gerry Mandrake · **Joined:** Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:23 pm **Posts:** 1451

Mr Ripper wrote:

Dunno about anybody else but part of me thinks that Clegg is just playing a game at the minute to "talk" to the Conservatives first as he always said but will eventually get into bed with Labour

Ideal situation. Then we'd get PR, finally.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Sat May 08, 2010 1:39 pm

Gerry Mandrake wrote:

Mr Ripper wrote:

Dunno about anybody else but part of me thinks that Clegg is just playing a game at the minute to "talk" to the Conservatives first as he always said but will eventually get into bed with Labour

Ideal situation. Then we'd get PR, finally.

PR is loony though.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22676

Mr Ripper wrote:

PR is loony though.

Sometimes you talk sense, other times you talk complete shite. This statement belongs in the latter category.

Brown will remain PM

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