Simple question for CT

Fetish_Bob · **Posted:** Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:07 pm

Why has it took 43, league games , 22 at home home for a team put out by you to show the drive, passion and commitment shown today??

Even half of it shown in previous games would see me for one defending you and not wanting you out as manager. I will even say that would go for something like 90% of Pools fans.

Even in defeat with the type of passion shown today I would have defended you. The players seemed up to it from the first whistle. So why has it took so long in to the season ??

More of that in previous games wouldn't have seen Pools fans turn against you.

Today Proud to be a Poolie. Fact.

Fetish_Bob · **Posted:** Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:34 pm

chip fireball wrote:

perhaps some of the players dont want to play for the manager, but at the same time dont fancy relegation and a pay cut ?

as ive said all along, they wont go down. they have been doing just enough all season. when it mattered they kept pulling out results.

they have spent a sum total of about 20 hours in the bottom 4 in 9 months.

Like you I have said we won't go down this season.

But doing enough is not good enough.

If the team/squad is good enough to perform as it did today, but your words that they don't want to play for the manager are correct then KH has to act more so than most believe.

I could ask another question of why,if your right, they don't want to perform for a manager who has signed 15 players this season. This is his team surely when they signed for him they wanted to play for him.

Having said that a pay cut in any occupation would make anyone perform better.

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

chip fireball wrote:

if the players could vote on whether to save the managers bacon he would be gone.

saving their own bacon is a different matter.

if you are a player and the manager tells you to play a certain way or in a certain position unless he will drop you, then you do as you are told even if you think its complete bollocks. doesnt mean you agree with it or you will put your heart and soul into it.

a lot of us do as we are told at work even if we think the boss is wrong. we are more likely to work to work to the best of our ability if we think the manager is right and is taking us in the right direction.

nelson and robson voted with their feet at the end of last season and i suspect one or two others might do likewise at the end of this season.

fans were excellent today i thought.

ours not theirs.

I dont think turner has lost any sleep losing nelson or robson.

gary liddle is a smarter centre half than nelson and robson was never going to make it with pools

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:54 pm

Agree with that last point Chip. I thought the fans really got behind the lads today, and it really helped to lift their game up an extra gear.

Fetish_Bob · **Posted:** Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:59 pm

BillinghamPoolie wrote:

Agree with that last point Chip. I thought the fans really got behind the lads today, and it really helped to lift their game up an extra gear.

I agree the fans got behind the players today.

But, and this is the qualifying factor, the players actually gave the fans something to get behind.

Something we've not had much of most of the season.

I still find it hard to understand that we haven't performed as we did today in other home games, even against the so called "lesser teams"

I can see chip's point of views though. It still infuriating.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:08 pm

chip fireball wrote:

nelsons getting his game for the winners of this league so must be doing something right.

players who dont rate turner :

1) neil austin

Has Austin told you this in person or by txt?

Fetish_Bob · **Posted:** Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:26 pm

chip fireball wrote:

nelsons getting his game for the winners of this league so must be doing something right.

As you said in a previous thread

chip fireball wrote:

with all due respect thats complete and utter bollocks.

Leeds can still overtake Norwich mathmatically.

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:28 pm

But they won't!!

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

I think it's pretty well known that early on, Austin wasn't a fan of chris turners "training programme" which is why he was left out at the start of the season.

richie jones has not played as well as richie humphreys in centre of midfield : FACT

alybaba · **Posted:** Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:17 pm

chip fireball wrote:

if the players could vote on whether to save the managers bacon he would be gone.

saving their own bacon is a different matter.

if you are a player and the manager tells you to play a certain way or in a certain position unless he will drop you, then you do as you are told even if you think its complete bollocks. doesnt mean you agree with it or you will put your heart and soul into it.

a lot of us do as we are told at work even if we think the boss is wrong. we are more likely to work to work to the best of our ability if we think the manager is right and is taking us in the right direction.

nelson and robson voted with their feet at the end of last season and i suspect one or two others might do likewise at the end of this season.

fans were excellent today i thought.

ours not theirs.

alybaba · **Posted:** Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:22 pm

alybaba wrote:

chip fireball wrote:

if the players could vote on whether to save the managers bacon he would be gone.

saving their own bacon is a different matter.

if you are a player and the manager tells you to play a certain way or in a certain position unless he will drop you, then you do as you are told even if you think its complete bollocks. doesnt mean you agree with it or you will put your heart and soul into it.

a lot of us do as we are told at work even if we think the boss is wrong. we are more likely to work to work to the best of our ability if we think the manager is right and is taking us in the right direction.

nelson and robson voted with their feet at the end of last season and i suspect one or two others might do likewise at the end of this season.We need jones here playing

fans were excellent today i thought.

ours not theirs.

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klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

chip fireball wrote:

remind me, when was the last time jones had an extended run of games in the middle of midfield ?

let me tell you something that is a fact, humps COULDNT play as well as jones did vs west brom, stoke and west ham last season.

humps had an outstanding first 45 minutes today. that dont make him an outstanding player ffs. :roll:

you have quoted cup games against teams from higher divisions.

although I agree Jones played well in them games, he probably was allowed more time on the ball than he would have been allowed during a 1st division league game.

I dont think anyone can deny humphreys has made a big difference since returning to the side in centre mid.

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:35 pm

klinger wrote:

chip fireball wrote:

remind me, when was the last time jones had an extended run of games in the middle of midfield ?

let me tell you something that is a fact, humps COULDNT play as well as jones did vs west brom, stoke and west ham last season.

humps had an outstanding first 45 minutes today. that dont make him an outstanding player ffs. :roll:

you have quoted cup games against teams from higher divisions.

although I agree Jones played well in them games, he probably was allowed more time on the ball than he would have been allowed during a 1st division league game.

I dont think anyone can deny humphreys has made a big difference since returning to the side in centre mid.

Humps has been superb lately but when was the last time Jones even played in centre midfield? It's been the right wing or the bench. He's always a quiet half away from being binned.

The fact he even brings Sweeney on in centre midfield before Jones proves Turner is a rubbish judge of a footballer. Sweeney touches the ball as many times in 90 minutes as someone like Jones does in 10 minutes.

durhamian · **Joined:** Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:57 pm **Posts:** 103

Humps has been superb lately but when was the last time Jones even played in centre midfield? It's been the right wing or the bench. He's always a quiet half away from being binned.

The fact he even brings Sweeney on in centre midfield before Jones proves Turner is a rubbish judge of a footballer. Sweeney touches the ball as many times in 90 minutes as someone like Jones does in 10 minutes.

Agree with PJ's comments above:

Also we don't seem to be getting dominated in the central midfield area since Humphries/Gamble have been partnered together as even an out of form Joe Gamble is far more effective than Sweeney in that area of the pitch.

pde147 · **Posted:** Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:57 pm

Ritchie Jones is a massively frustrating player. Capable of so much yet so rarely prepared to deliver it. Absolutely no use to a team or manager when he is capable of coming on and changing a game (Leeds) and then putting in a shameful excuse for a shift (yeovil).

Any professional prepared to blame the 'wrong sort of rice' for risible performance isn't worth the time and effort.

He'll certainly leave in the summer and I'll feel total indifference - no better or worse than say Lee Bullock.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:01 pm

pde147 wrote:

Ritchie Jones is a massively frustrating player. Capable of so much yet so rarely prepared to deliver it. Absolutely no use to a team or manager when he is capable of coming on and changing a game (Leeds) and then putting in a shameful excuse for a shift (yeovil).

Any professional prepared to blame the 'wrong sort of rice' for risible performance isn't worth the time and effort.

He'll certainly leave in the summer and I'll feel total indifference - no better or worse than say Lee Bullock.

Quote:

Any professional prepared to blame the 'wrong sort of rice' for risible performance isn't worth the time and effort.

Have I missed something?

FWIW, I think Jones will leave and will go the way of Halliday and that pal of Chips who shits into nettles because his caravan didn't have a bog

alienlife · **Posted:** Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:49 pm

chip fireball wrote:

anyone who cant see that jones is a good player, really shouldnt be expressing an opinion. almost certain to be playing for a better team than pools next season if turner stays.

Jones is a good player certainly capable at a higher level if he plays to the best of his ability, there are one or two more in the squad that carry that tag too IMO.

Whether it is a fault of Turner or the player that Jones doesn't perform on a consistent basis for pools is open to discussion but I would prefer 10 Average mid table players with the commitment Humps showed in the 1st half yesterday (and the legs to repeat it for 90 minutes) than one or two that are capable of destroying a premier league midfield but can't be arsed on a cold Tuesday evening at Carlisle.

I am not saying I don't want to see top players at the vic but only ones that have the heart to play for the club regardless of opposition.

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

as I remember it, both west brom and stoke city put out their reserve teams and didnt show much fight against us, the stoke city manager even admitting to being only interested in premiership survival and not the fa cup, they even allowed david foley to go on a run and plant one in the top corner ffs

so yes, on some occasions playing against the likes of brighton or a very physical colchester team who are hungry to get a result can be more difficult than playing against teams from higher division .

Jonny · **Posted:** Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:01 pm

chip fireball wrote:

2 ) ritchie jones

3) Adam Boyd

alienlife · **Posted:** Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:16 pm

Chip,

Did you stop to think that my use of Carlisle was more a description of a shit place to visit than a game Jones played badly in?

banghead

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

I cannot for the life of me undersatand why certain players ie. jones & rowell receive so much praise for their footballing talent when they are not 1st team regulars and have only showed their talent in fleeting glimpses.

players like humphreys and mcsweeney who have come in and got us out of the shiit basically are still being fobbed off as 'has beens' or 'headless chickens'.

alienlife · **Posted:** Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:29 pm

klinger wrote:

I cannot for the life of me undersatand why certain players ie. jones & rowell receive so much praise for their footballing talent when they are not 1st team regulars and have only showed their talent in fleeting glimpses.

players like humphreys and mcsweeney who have come in and got us out of the shit basically are still being fobbed off as 'has beens' or 'headless chickens'.

The like of Rowell and Jones show glimpses of promise, but I agree those that put in a shift and drag us out of the shit are much better in a side like pools especially at present.

Matty Robson and David Foley both showed they had some ability, Adam Boyd also did once upon a time.

Chip will be along to call me thick again in a minute but I don't give a shite unless this is now the agree with Chips opinion or else club.

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

I'm talking about what is happening with the team now Chip, not a couple of months ago or last year.
humphreys and mcsweeney (not sweeney) are doing a job for us now and are helping keep us in this division

why you feel the need to drag danny wilson into your arguments is beyond me, fooks sake he didnt want to be at the club so forget about him.

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

chip fireball wrote:

i feel like erwin schrödinger, trying to explain quantum physics to danny dyer.

is erwin also a spectard? :roll:

grabec · **Posted:** Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:02 pm

I'm now feeling much more sympathetic to, and supportive of, Mr Hodcroft. The rabid nature of his main supporters must be causing him much embarassment, a thing he hates a lot.

Of course it might all just be a double bluff manoevre to win over doubters..... confised

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:28 pm

chip fireball wrote:

i feel like erwin schrödinger, trying to explain quantum physics to danny dyer.

But was the Cat alive or dead?

Spender · **Posted:** Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:47 pm

alienlife wrote:

Chip will be along to call me thick again in a minute but I don't give a shite unless this is now the agree with Chips opinion or else club.

chip fireball wrote:

so your argument is shyte from the get go.

As a prophet, you could make a few quid.... :grin:

grabec · **Posted:** Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:48 pm

By the way, Schrodinger got it wrong about the cat experiment. He thought that the fact, that no-one knew whether or not the cat existed, implied that the cat both existed and didn't exist at the same time. But it doesn't imply that. Logical fallacy.

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

the cat was a heavy cat, heavy on attitude,

because it thought it was the most talented cat,

and being the most talented cat means it should always be included in the elite cat first 11,

only the fat cat in charge didnt think so,

and he decided to replace the talented cat with hard working cats which also had talent, but some might say to a lesser extent

and the elite cat 11 got the results needed, through teamwork, a bit of skill and some magical saves from the cat in goal.

amen

alienlife · **Posted:** Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:01 pm

chip fireball wrote:

alienlife wrote:

Chip,

Did you stop to think that my use of Carlisle was more a description of a shit place to visit than a game Jones played badly in?

banghead

is that the best you could come up with.

uber donk.

Spender · **Posted:** Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:19 pm

I thought he'd got a point, although it was really badly expressed. I agree with the card and Mr Alien, think outside the envelope, 'cos I quite like your train of thought. :wink:

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:30 am

chip fireball wrote:

oh dear.

i think you just sunk to new levels of rarfery with that post. refred

So does that mean you've banned him....one of the posters you were having a 'ding-dong' with????

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

chip fireball wrote:

oh dear.

i think you just sunk to new levels of rarfery with that post. refred

this is ripe coming from someone who regularly insults other posters, using such names as spectards, retards, thicketts (or thickest of thicketts ) and uber donks. confised

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:23 pm

chip fireball wrote:

yeah that right, every time you post this smiley refred

the system automatically bans someone.

jesus fooking wept. :roll:

Well what I've learnt from in the past is that if a Moderator waves the Red card at someone it is a Ban!!!! confised

But I apologise profusely Mr.Chip if I am wrong....but if you want I'll meet you in the Mill House car park to 'talk' it over!!!! :laugh:

derwent · **Joined:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:59 pm **Posts:** 12395

chip fireball wrote:

i didnt ban him, i didnt even warn him.

but i will fight anyone off this board in the mill house car park.

if im paid the right sort of money.

Behave yerself...................handbagging at your age................... tut tut............. :wink:

parmopooly · **Posted:** Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:06 pm

so long as there's no teabagging...perish the thought

alienlife · **Posted:** Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:03 pm

chip fireball wrote:

i didnt ban him, i didnt even warn him.

Has someone changed the settings on the board then? I couldn't get into this earlier and tonight had to sign in first

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