First player i would be releasing

TURNER OUT!

Leaving Boyd on the bench YET again

5 starts all season.

yeah, this is all his fault.

Are you all there?? ive got up to date info from my mate who's at the match. Last 3 games he's started he has been at fault for goals.. HTH

Is at best average, the rest of them are cack

hth, fwiw, tia,

I concur. Another player who does ok at league 2 level but aint league 1 standard

Ben Clark has been a good player for Pools, last season he had a bad season because he was played in centre mid when it was obvious to everyone thats he's a centre half. This season his opportunities have been limited and is going through a bad patch but does that mean we have to fcking scatter him???

The other two centre halves have been part of a defence that has been as pad as last seasons yet people talk about their performances like they're the some kind of super human defence.

There's loads of players who are to blame before Ben Clark for this season's shambles.

This seasons shambles can be attributed to 2 men................

Hey im not singling him out. He is just one of a long line of players who have flattered to deceive. If he was any good then surely Tubbywanker would have picked him this season ( )

Doesnt help having a clueless fuckwit in charge.

a club like pools cannot afford to carry passengers and ben clark is rapidly becoming one.

gary liddle, in his 1st season at centre half for pools, has played better in that postion than ben clark ever has.

I dont think he's trying, meaning (to me) he does'nt want to play for Turner. Listening to the commentary this after' he was making mistake after mistake, and apparently should have stopped their goal.

Personally I think certain players are trying at home to appease the fans, but are not trying as hard in away games, or only when it suits them, as they have no respect for Clueless.

I've never known a season where I can remember as many games weve played in and not been able to muster a worthwhile shot on goal in the whole 90 minutes.

Neither do a lot of the fookers, only Clark has the balls to show his disdain, next step is the 'altercation' in the dressing room remember.......ala Scotty

its all bullshiit this not playing for your manager carry on

if I went to work and decided I was'nt going to put much effort in because I dont particularly like my boss I'd be out on my arse

fookin wake up man this is pools not the fookin council

errr...... thats why I'm saying its bullshiit, i.e a player should put in a performance to earn their cash and please fans rather than managers

by the way, if anyone missed out, we got 6 points out of 6 last weekend with a couple of half-decent performances

which is still one more point than i predicted we would have when i filled out the bbc predictor thingy, so we are still on course for safety

all I can say is...thank fu-ck for Gillingham's run-in. If they lose at home to Brighton on Tuesday then I can't see them getting many points in their next 3 - against Leeds, then Norwich then Southampton
By then we'll hopefully have another 3 or 4 points ourselves and there'll be only 2 games left.
Even with points deductions, Pools should stay up given Gillingham's fixtures
Their match v Brighton is looking massive for them and if they win it keeps pressure on Pools
Hopefully Brighton will revert to their usual away form, and after 2 straight defeats we will need them to

But you weren't there either you going on other peoples's view. As I have said before at least wait till those who where at game have given their opinions.

Your blaming one man for the defeat I was there you can take your pick from 14.

Bottleless the lot of them. Now as I said Clark was bad but let's not single one player out from today because none of them would get more than a 4 of me.

But feel free to post other peoples view.

Get to the game or wait and read people's views from there or at best let your mate who was there post his own opinion, people will think more of it.

And TPP had up to date information from me but hasn't come on here singling any particular player out and giving other's opinion's

You give updates to people from the match do you not Bob? Well your not the only saviour to follow Pool's a good mate of mine hasnt missed a game all season and ill take his word as gospel, He's been saying Clark was shite and showed no bottle and ive seen enough of Clark myself to know he's past it, He's cost us goals in last 3 starts correct me if im wrong.. and was at fault for another goal today. That sums him up, Release him, he should have went when Nelson went.

Infact

Ben Clark to me has gone backwards, he's got the same lack of pace that R.H. caught a few years ago, either that or he's totally disinterested, de-motivated (and we all know who's responsible for that), or he's keeping in touch with his old mate Nelse' who's probably telling him how great it is to be playing for a "big" club, in front of 25k, and earning considerably more than he was here, and that he should move on.

Even Gamble, and pre-injury Behan cant be arsed to put a shift in now.

Brown,Boyd,Bjornson,Sweeney,Hartley and Monkhouse cant even be bothered.

Yes I give updates same as your mate, I don't have any problems with that if I did I wouldn't do it.

My point is you posted "Clark would be first player you would release" if that was your opinion on the player I wouldn't have a problem with that either. but you posted it based on a game you hadn't seen. Now if you had posted it after a previous game he had played in that you had watched then I wouldn't have disagreed then either.

Of course mates are going to discuss a game that's normal. Ben Clark has played 10 games this season, hardly enough to say he's top of the list to go, we're in the position in the league that we're are because of many other's who have failed to perform consistently this season.

They were all bad yesterday and I can list other's who have played more this season who deserve the "first" to be released tag.

Ben Clark was very poor today, no doubt about that. But he was no poorer than Andy Monkhouse. I just don't understand Monkhouse.
When Monky appears up for it he is very good but on his other days he is poor and today he was shocking. Immediately after the game, with my angry hat on, I would have sacked the pair of them.
However I still think the manager and his sidekick are mainly to blame. After ten minutes yesterday I said that Monky hadn't turned up and should be subbed. He was having one of his all too frequent off days. Turner should have warned him to improve or you're off.
The net result was Monky continued to be poor but nothing was done.
Then Mr Turner pulled the same masterstroke as he did at Southampton, where he pulled off the centre forward and replaced him with Mackay, with us needing a goal. This time on came Larkin. On both occasions he had Boyd on the bench.
Why is he putting Boyd on the bench when he obviously had no intentions of playing him. Boyd isn't even getting a game for the reserves to maintain his match fitness.
Significantly, well it was to me, after the third substitution was made, Mr Boyd got up from the bench and disappeared down the tunnel. A call of nature???? Aye, maybe, but somehow I think not.
Although I have just singled out Clark and Monkhouse for critism the rest weren't any great shakes either with the exception of Collins, who played on with a knock received midway through the first half.
All in all that was one of the poorest displays I have seen from a Pools side, and the worst this season.
I find it amazing, considering our predicament, that we could put in a couldn't be arsed performance like that.
The scoreline flattered us as it could and should have been more.
Chris Westwood can't have had an easier game than that for a long time.

Harsh to single out Ben CLark from yesterday - he was certainly not alone in having a nightmare game.

Precisely.

The away support was seriously pissed off yesterday, well this part of it was.
We were toyed with yesterday and it was embarassing.
Westwood must have been amazed that Boyd didn't figure.

Wycombe were first to every ball, or at least 95% of them, yesterday.

It really was a very very one sided game.

If we don't beat Stockport, I think Turner will be strung up.

Nah he won't and IOR won't bat an eyelid

Unfortunately you are right.

which once again begs the question - what is the point of them pumping money into the club when this is all we've got to look forward to?

Who knows?????
They go a bundle on not being embarassed and yet the biggest embarassment they've got is their blue eyed boy.

Our problem is that we are trying continually to apply logic to the situation.

What IOR are allowing to happen defies logic.

I'm getting fed up with the whole bloody shower tbh.

The cost of following Pools far outweighs the enjoyment at the moment.

Excellent post John. Just boils down to incompetent management