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 Post subject: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:38 pm 
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I wasn't even able to access the site until Saturday because my I.P. address was banned.

What on earth had I done wrong?

I was just told I was banned with "no reason needed".

If you don't want me on the board, I can't make you keep me on, but it would be gentlemanly to let me know what I did wrong because I seriously have no idea.

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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:40 pm 
Probably a ban happy mod, been some wierd bans lately, at the end of the day unless your being a proper tool or spamming and stuff you should not be banned its a pools forum for pools fans, its all getting a bit stupid.


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damn you american rip off!


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The Americans must be thick as mince - how can you NOT find him when he has a big yellow circle round him. Idiots :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
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damn you american rip off!


Its called where's Willy in Norway.

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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
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Probably a ban happy mod, been some wierd bans lately, at the end of the day unless your being a proper tool or spamming and stuff you should not be banned its a pools forum for pools fans, its all getting a bit stupid.


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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
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WhyWasIBanned? wrote:
I wasn't even able to access the site until Saturday because my I.P. address was banned.

What on earth had I done wrong?

I was just told I was banned with "no reason needed".

If you don't want me on the board, I can't make you keep me on, but it would be gentlemanly to let me know what I did wrong because I seriously have no idea.

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I believe it was an executive decision based upon a number of factors as opposed to a single instance.

However for clarity I can confirm that you were not told that you were banned with "no reason needed". The reason given on the ban was in fact "not needed", but this did not refer to there being no reason needed for the ban.

Hope that helps.

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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
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It helps. Sort of.

I still don't know what I'd posted (over a period of time) that warranted a ban. I've since seen that Obsession was banned, too, but I can't believe my posts are considered to be similar to his.


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WhyWasIBanned? wrote:
It helps. Sort of.

I still don't know what I'd posted (over a period of time) that warranted a ban. I've since seen that Obsession was banned, too, but I can't believe my posts are considered to be similar to his.



I think you are one of the better posters to be honest.

Good english, knowledgable, opinionated, knows your stuff, intelligent and got your point accross very well. Most arguments I saw you in, you won hands down so maybe thats why you got banned :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
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WhyWasIBanned? wrote:
It helps. Sort of.

I still don't know what I'd posted (over a period of time) that warranted a ban. I've since seen that Obsession was banned, too, but I can't believe my posts are considered to be similar to his.


I can't really see why you got barred either!!!! confised confised


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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
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I'd let him back in. Don't know what he did to warrant a permanent ban. I remember he called me a dick once [shrug] when he thought I was overreacting by (correctly) defending Pools when Norwich screwed up our tickets. I lived.


I did apologise.


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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
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I did apologise.

I know, and to honest I couldn't give two tosses what you called me. I'm just trying to think of things that might have contributed to a ban confised

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Most arguments I saw you in, you won hands down

OK, who explained them to you? sctatchinghead :shock:



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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:00 pm 
So it looks like he has been banned for no reason, I think he deserves to be unbanned to say the least. Its a disgrace if he isnt.


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So it looks like he has been banned for no reason, I think he deserves to be unbanned to say the least. Its a disgrace if he isnt.


I prey to god you never get banned Tigro, I would so miss your tits :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
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Tree_With_Hamster wrote:
WhyWasIBanned? wrote:
It helps. Sort of.

I still don't know what I'd posted (over a period of time) that warranted a ban. I've since seen that Obsession was banned, too, but I can't believe my posts are considered to be similar to his.


.... one of the better posters to be honest.

Good english, knowledgable, opinionated, knows your stuff, intelligent and got your point accross very well.


so.......basically he is the anti-Tree_With_Hamster then? :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:11 pm 
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Tree_With_Hamster wrote:
WhyWasIBanned? wrote:
It helps. Sort of.

I still don't know what I'd posted (over a period of time) that warranted a ban. I've since seen that Obsession was banned, too, but I can't believe my posts are considered to be similar to his.


.... one of the better posters to be honest.

Good english, knowledgable, opinionated, knows your stuff, intelligent and got your point accross very well.


so.......basically he is the anti-Tree_With_Hamster then? :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
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Why can't we have elected moderators who are responsible to the rest of the board, or is that too radical ???????

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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
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Why can't we have elected moderators who are responsible to the rest of the board, or is that too radical ???????


You mean like the lunatics taking over the asylum? :shock:






As opposed to the idiots retaining control? :laugh:





In all seriousness though, what would constitute a fair vote? One vote per member? What about multiple id's? What about people who read but don't post? What about people who've posted loads over several years as against people who've joined a fortnight ago? So many issues it's probably not worth the chew that it would cause. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:42 pm 
A statement of support from the veritable Tree is like a vote of confidence from the board for the manager. Like strapping lead round your ankle while standing on the edge of the pier.

I dunno who it was and yes you can have the forum if you pay for it, but the general concensus was 'cock' so don't act like a cock and you'll be OK. The fact that you got back on shows we aren't too stringent. Elections are for people who can't make their minds up. We started it so if you want to buy it, make an offer.

Cue lecture from names I could name now. Have a drink and go to bed. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
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A statement of support from the veritable Tree is like a vote of confidence from the board for the manager. Like strapping lead round your ankle while standing on the edge of the pier.

I dunno who it was and yes you can have the forum if you pay for it, but the general concensus was 'cock' so don't act like a cock and you'll be OK. The fact that you got back on shows we aren't too stringent. Elections are for people who can't make their minds up. We started it so if you want to buy it, make an offer.

Cue lecture from names I could name now. Have a drink and go to bed. :wink:


The general consensus was 'cock'?

I'm not sure when you held the referendum, but if the general consensus of contributors/viewers to this board is that I'm a cock then that is obviously disappointing as well as worrying, as I don't know what I'm doing to be regarded as such.

I don't want to own the forum. I simply want to contribute to it. It's easy to say now, I know, but I had also contemplated contributing financially, but, now, as there's a high risk of a poor return on such an investment due to the seemingly capriciousness nature of (some of) the moderators, I'm not as enthusiastic as I could be on that front.

It appears I'm not going to get a satisfactory answer to my query as to why I was banned, so I don't think there's anything else worth saying on the matter. I'll just look forward to this messageboard form of Russian Roulette and hope I don't get unlucky and have my posts cross the path of a whimsical moderator.


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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:01 pm 
A very reasoned reply Mr.Waldo!!!! clappp clappp

I'd like to start a Poll to see if people want you back....but I don't wanna upset people!!!! :uhoh: confised

But I know that the majority would want you back....exactly the same result if I also done a Poll on other Posters lost over the last few months....Gloves, Elvis, Monty, Cowboy etc etc!!!! :coool: :coool:


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We started it so if you want to buy it, make an offer.




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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
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pretty sure the person who banned you has already given his reason in this very thread. sctatchinghead sctatchinghead


And a very shitty reason in my opinion that never even gave a REAL reason!!!! confised confised


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Ok!!!! :uhoh:

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I'm banned aswell sadx

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chip fireball wrote:
pretty sure the person who banned you has already given his reason in this very thread. sctatchinghead sctatchinghead


If you're meaning Mr Ripper, he said that I was 'not needed'. He didn't explain why I am 'not needed'. I could argue myself that I am not 'needed', if we're talking in a philosophical context, but I don't think the 'banor' was considering the writings of, say, Julian Baggini when deciding to ban me.


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If the "banor" (shyte made up word) wanted to he could use your choice of Julian Baggini as a means of showing off to prove your cockness (also a shyte made up word). If you're going to show off by pretending to know about philosophy at least pick somebody reasonably obscure and less cock-like to show off with.

I don't care if you are banned or not but cockness is not needed.


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Mr Spender, I'm not sure that that 'when you pay for it you can do what you like' argument is valid anymore given that over the past month who pays for it has been widened including one or two on this thread.


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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
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Mr I wrote:
Mr Spender, I'm not sure that that 'when you pay for it you can do what you like' argument is valid anymore given that over the past month who pays for it has been widened including one or two on this thread.

I was going to make that very point Mr I, but thought better of it. I am pleased that you have made it and I am in full concurrence.
I also think that more people should take a turn in moderating duties, that way more people would get a taste of what is involved.
Why not give it a try?
On Waldo...........I think banning should be used as a last resort after all else has failed, although I must admit I don't think he warranted a ban..................opinions eh?

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Why are moderators needed in the first place, surely the best form of moderation comes in the form of if you talk shite you get shot down (or maybe I am talking shite sctatchinghead ). When Waldo Pepper talked shite in the Norwich thread many people addressed it and he ended up retracting his original shite statement if my memory serves me correct.

The best threads on here are when people disagree and put forward their argument, I really don't think their is any need for banning anyone especially when it appears that people are getting banned for daring to have different opinions to some of the moderators.

Also why was 'thereverend' banned? He hardly ever posted....?


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born toulouse wrote:
If the "banor" (shyte made up word) wanted to he could use your choice of Julian Baggini as a means of showing off to prove your cockness (also a shyte made up word). If you're going to show off by pretending to know about philosophy at least pick somebody reasonably obscure and less cock-like to show off with.

I don't care if you are banned or not but cockness is not needed.


Talk about your face not fitting . . . :roll:

It seems I have an unenviable knack of attracting contrary people.

Yes, 'banor' was clearly a made-up word, hence why I put it in apostrophes. I don't understand why you felt the need to point it out. I used it because I assumed a five letter word (even a made-up one) would be more flowing for the reader than 'the person who banned me'.

Regarding philosophers, if I had chosen an obscure one, who few, if any, had heard of, would that not make me 'more' of a cock? I choose an everyman philosopher and I'm a cock?!? confised

Upon reading your post, I thought of a German philosopher from the 18th century, but my thoughts were not on his works, rather his surname.


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Upon reading your post, I thought of a German philosopher from the 18th century, but my thoughts were not on his works, rather his surname.


That would be an alternative way of spelling that word that Grave (I think) keeps adding an 'h' to.

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The best threads on here are when people disagree and put forward their argument, I really don't think their is any need for banning anyone especially when it appears that people are getting banned for daring to have different opinions to some of the moderators.


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Why are moderators needed in the first place....?


Primarily required for legalities in my humble opinion. Most of the posts that I edit or delete could potentially have repercussions from lawyers were they not removed or amended. The balance of deletions or amendments are for personal abuse or general rarfery which detracts from the board and I agree that this is more subjective. But I don't believe that moderators are above the rules, hence why when I appeared to upset a few folk recently I gave myself a temporary ban even though I thought that the complainants were in the wrong. I know other moderators have done this too.

In the case of Mr Pepper it was deemed that he was engaging in general rarfery and acting in a deliberately contrary manner and upsetting folk (hence the reason being given as "not needed") so the concensus was that a ban was required. I don't claim to make the rules or be in a position to hand out arbitrary bans (ok, maybe the odd temporary one or two or for the complete wastes of space like the retard from The Mail) and if the general concensus from the moderators was that Mr Pepper should be unbanned I'd even happily press the relevant buttons myself.

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I don't go a bundle on banning people unless they are clearly out to bring the site down. This has happened once or twice. The other aspect which Ripper mentions is the threat of legal action. During the course of the life of this site I have had two legal letters threatening libel actions. Frankly I don't think they held water but the costs of defencing even a spurious a libel case are astronomical. Even a legal option is a couple of grand.


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Obviously moderators are a necessity for obvious reasons but there are more and more people both on this forum and even more in private complaining about one or two who, for reasons best known to themselves, think they are "friggin God" ( c Tree I think ).

Waldo is beginning to believe that his face doesn't fit and he is entitled to think that. Isn't being contrary sometimes, or playing the devil's advocate the very catalyst required to set off debate? I find that more acceptable than calling people retards etc., just because their posts or points of view don't agree with somebody's digestion. There is a simple solution, available to everyone, don't read their posts if you don't like the poster or even be a big boy and realise that not everyone has the same point of view.

I know that in certain quarters this will appear like a lecture, so be it. However sometimes lecturing people who are acting like little boys, or are letting the tiny bit of power bestowed upon them go to their heads, is necessary. After all shouldn't competent moderators be lecturing so called miscreants BEFORE they resort to banning them.

I think we need to step back and realise that the point made by Mr I is a turning point in the running of this board. No longer is it financed by the elite few, yes there's that word again, and that to me is progress. Why should Mr I finance something that is of great benefit to so many people? However this change brings side effects in that people who contribute will generally want respect and tolerance and perhaps even more.

I don't know of anybody who has deliberately set out to destroy this board and in the event of such a person appearing, wouldn't he/she be ignored??

On a personal note and for the record, I have made a small contribution to the finances of the board and will continue to do so. I do not wish to influence the board other than voice my opinion and do not want to get involved in moderating or controlling it.

I think it is time we all started dressing up as adults.

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I think it is time we all started dressing up as adults.



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Was my post in here deleted or am I imagining it? Good work if so as was rather drunk

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Was my post in here deleted or am I imagining it? Good work if so as was rather drunk


No idea mate, nowt to do with me, sorry.

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I think we need to step back and realise that the point made by Mr I is a turning point in the running of this board. No longer is it financed by the elite few, yes there's that word again, and that to me is progress.

Just a small point. The Bunker was never financed by "the elite few" (whatever that means). It was financed by Mr I alone. I agree that it is a good move to have more people invest in the Bunker and help foot the bill. Whether or not that can be classed as "progress" remains to be seen. It certainly needed to progress as for a good year and more the content of the Bunker has never been lower.

I have always had the impression that it was Mr I who was the sole financier but the other day someone said "we" when suggesting that offers of purchase could be made.
That prompted me to use the word few.
I realise that the word elite is contentious but it is one accusation that has been levelled consistently. I have asked numerous people why they don't post anymore and that comes out more than anything else.
It is not something that bothers me but it is a well worn perception. I suppose it depends how much credence is attached to the well known saying........." there's no smoke without fire "

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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:34 am 
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Talk about your face not fitting . . . :roll:

"It seems I have an unenviable knack of attracting contrary people".

Have you ever thought there could be a reason for this? Maybe they aren't contrary, maybe you bring it on yourself.

"Yes, 'banor' was clearly a made-up word, hence why I put it in apostrophes. I don't understand why you felt the need to point it out. I used it because I assumed a five letter word (even a made-up one) would be more flowing for the reader than 'the person who banned me'."

Don't object to made-up words just made-up words that aren't funny. I think the reader can cope with simple phrases.

"Regarding philosophers, if I had chosen an obscure one, who few, if any, had heard of, would that not make me 'more' of a cock? I choose an everyman philosopher and I'm a cock?!? confised"

Starting on about philosophers in the context of this thread was the act of a smartarse trying to impress people with his cleverness. Using the example you did suggested that you either knew a lot less than you implied or that you decided to use an obvious reference to help the dimwits you were trying to impress. Pretentious cock or condescending cock? You choose.

"Upon reading your post, I thought of a German philosopher from the 18th century, but my thoughts were not on his works, rather his surname."

If you mean Kant then that makes you a cockney and your banning is fully justified.

One last thing. I wouldn't usually comment on a poster's use of language but I'll make an exception. You wrote "hence why I...", the "why" is unnecessary, clumsy and undermines the brainy poster persona you try so hard to project.


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 Post subject: Re: Can I ask why I (Waldo Pepper) was banned?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:36 am 
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Well I think its all a load of shit.

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