To be honest, does anyone else think things aren't that bad and are being blown out of proportion?
In my opinion, we are going to stay up ( Just ) and we can then build on our team for next year, with 1 or 2 new signings to strengthen certain areas, i believe we could push for play offs next season.
If you take things into perspective, look at clubs like chester city, darlington and portsmouth.
things COULD BE WORSE!!!!!

So in other words we have done nothing better than last season with loads of money and a sack full of players. You are ment to build on the season before not just replicate it with a load of new people.

Fair point, but as the first post said, taking things into perspective, if you look at our position before IOR took over the club, things are much better now. In my opinion if we strengthen with maybe 3 or 4 new signings and get rid of the dead wood, we could seriously push for playoffs next year, even under turner.

I am not saying i fully support Mr Turner.
All i am saying is that some of our fans are doing is refusing to go to games or to sit on here after a match and complaining when obviously things are not at its best. When what we should be doing is getting behind our team seeing as there is fans who still pay to go see their club in much worse positions than ours.

I agree with most of that, but Mr. Turner has had more backing than any previous manager all to no avail at present so i couldn't resist putting the Tubby badge on.

My money's on ADG.

Larkins lover, go to about page three of the bunker to see a response to your points, we have discussed this till we are blue in the face and its bollocks. The only way we will turn this "doom and gloom" around is getting rid of Turner.

Its time for Tubby Bye Bye!

I've said this all season but no ones ever listened!!!

I have been viewing the bunker for a while now but have only just registered, and i am not any of these posters. What makes you think this ?

Past experience

At the end of last season, Turner said would see a big turn around in players and that we would be looking to improve on our position and performance.

14 or so new players have gone, and we do have a better squad than last... yet performances have not improved on last season. We are still conceeding silly goals, we still put in good performances against big teams (though we struggle to actually get a result. Leeds apart) and put in mediocre ones against teams we should be beating if we want to stay in this division (Yeovil).

We have the talent, but they do not perform. And that does come down to them as individuals - and they must share some of the blame - but you need a management structure that can bring out the best in players and keep them on their toes so that they do perform week in week out.

That is the frustrating thing. We have real quality in Flinders, Liddle, Austin, Jones, Gamble, Boyd, Brown & Monkhouse - but too many of them have been ineffective (Boyd, Jones, Monkhouse), Flinders has had a tough time and is not the confident keeper we saw at the start.

Behan started well, yet was kept in the team for far longer than he needed to be. We all saw he looked exhausted in October/November last year and needed dropping - yet Turner kept him playing for a month or so longer (meaning the player loses confidence and risks niggling injuries.)

Jones is a central midfielder, and would work well with Gamble - yet Turner keeps on playing him wide right. All players can do a short-term job in another position - but not long-term.

The signing of Boyd looks like one just to appease the fans - yet he struggled in his first term as manager to make Boyd a player you'd want to be the first name on the team sheet - and does'nt look like he can manage that this time either.

Add to that, how many of his 14 signings have actually worked out? Flinders, Austin & Gamble have been good. Jones is a good signing, but has been messed about (Jones attitude may not help), Hartley is an improvement at left-back (but that's not his real position), Friedrickson has been the forgotten man, Bjornson just looks lost, Haslam seems to have disappeared, McSweeney & Larkin I cannot work out at all.

It all adds up to me that the management structure is weak and ineffective. When you operate on a small budget, getting the best out of what you have is the order of the day.

Turner has been given all he has asked for (more than other managers have had) yet we still find ourselves in the same position we were last year.

This is why fans are unhappy, and why something needs to change...

Jones is a good signing and here's the but.........................Wilson signed him. But Im happy to be corrected my memory is going.

You may well be right... Wilson leaving seems so long ago...

I would like to know how the connection is made between Turner signing three or four new players and challenging for the sharp end of the table, when he has already signed thirteen or fourteen new players............and we are.................

Unless our friend is implying that we will be challenging for the playoffs etc in league two. I could just about agree that our squad, managed by Turner, could do that. I wouldn't bet good money on it though.

Personally I support Pools despite the fact that Turner is manager but I have every sympathy with those fans who take the view that they have had enough of him.

That Dibble is quite the card isn't he......

the aim now has to be to scramble to safety by hook or by crook... but make some massive changes in the summer

As has been said above, I dont think things are being blown out of proportion. Tubby has been given enough backing to have managed us to a good season. He hasnt. He isnt likely to get the same finance again prior to next season is he so why would we suddenly do well next year? At the start of this season Tubby and his followers all said that it would take time for the squad to gel and you may recall how each week a handful of people would turn around and say "lets give him until October". This then became "lets give the players more time to gel, November" then december, then January etc etc etc. The fact is that the players looked better before they had time to 'gel'! This is in my opinion down to shiite coaching at the club which is apparent on match days when you see the standard of set-pieces etc and the best players have all gone from looking good (Flinders, Behan, Hartley to an extent) to looking poor.

He is a loser and his record proves it. We wont achieve anything with him in charge. All he has done is wasted great funding/backing on all these new players when a half competent manager would have had us in the top half imo.

Most people support Pools regardless of who is the manager. I have just checked and since watching my first game I have followed Pools under 27 different manager's. That's counting "caretakers" and Turner twice.

But fans can only take so much, I've missed the last 2 away games for no reason really. I could have gone but decided to have couple Saturdays chilling at home listening on Pools World. Now maybe subconsciously I may have been saying I've had enough of Turner, I don't know. I will still be at remaining home games and Tranmere and Southampton, could well be my last away games this season. Tranmere to catch up with the scousers from here and Southampton simply because I've not been.

Now under 95% of those 27 managers I was not as disappointed in a season as I am in this one. That has a lot to do with what I believe to be false promises made by Turner. He said we would be better than last season, we're not. He said we would be mid table we're not. He said this team would gel come January, we haven't. He has now said we're in a relegation fight, well welcome to the real world Chris, most fans have known that for a while.

I consider myself blue and white through and through, my ex wife will vouch for that, she once told me during an argument that I loved Pools more than her( she was right) I told her I loved Darlo more than I loved her.

As a fan I want to be told how we going to give the so called "big teams" a game not how we can't compete with them before a ball is kicked. I respect Turner for his first tenure here but I'm beginning to dislike him in other ways. Even his PR has deteriorated since his first tenure. I always believed once a team walked across the white line the manager couldn't do any more except change players when needed and to change a game. Turner can't do that.

This sounds like a fan who has had enough but the simple thing is I haven't had enough of Pools and stupidly some will say I will renew my season ticket next season, but , Turner is not the man to take Pools forward.

I can use the words "I told you so" as I said he wasn't the man in December 2008, but how I wanted him to prove me wrong, all he has done in my opinion is prove me and many other's right. Not only has he done that he has turned many who were "overjoyed" at him being reappointed against him.

You can probably count the posters on this forum who still support him on both hands.

There are better out there, we surely must be able to attract one of them.

Rant over roll on Friday, and Tranmere , where even in defeat I had one of my happiest nights with Pools. Come a defeat on Friday Prenton Park will rank as one of the worst as it will certainly mean a dog fight till the end of the season.

Right my money is om A.n.other

And who Exactly, is 'we' are you now the collective voice of the bunker?
Chip wont be pleased

Can i just state again I am not dibble

Could I just question your user name 'LarkinsLover'?

Surely this is not a reference to Colin Larkin? as;

a) He is a shite, a rubbish, rubbish signing even by Turners woeful standards

b) If it is, what a strange love to have. You must be the only person in the World who 'loves' journeymantastic fourth division utility players

c) He is shite.

That is all.

I thought he was just a big fan of The Darling Buds of May.

Perfick

I'm buying the Darling Buds of May theory, certainly not Colin Larkin though I bet most of the people on that picture would give us greater end product......

Possibly.

I've played against Wayne Larkins and even though he's heavy smoker and likes a drink I bet he'd have scored more than once for us.

Maybe 'LarkinsLover' is just a fan of pissing about and can't spell? That would be also more feasible than loving Colin Larkin.