Changes for Tranmere

mr maker · **Joined:** Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:41 pm **Posts:** 14

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Turner has said that there will be changes on Friday!

That's Jones out of the team!! It appears that whenever the team lose he is the scape goat or at least whoever seems to be playing on the right wing at the time !!

poolietim · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:57 pm

He didn't do himself justice on saturday it would seem and he was ineffective against Southend. If he is so keen to cement a place then he can't afford perfromances like that. If he is dropped for Brown then that will do for me. If it is for Humps or Larkin then that's a different matter altogether.

I think Brown needs to start against Tranmere to give us some attacking spark as does Clark for Collins and Haslam for Hartley to toughen us up at the back.

poolie bri · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:01 pm

agree he has to start brown from the off

mr maker · **Joined:** Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:41 pm **Posts:** 14

The lad is playing out of position because Tubby will not drop certain players who have been 'ineffective' all season!!

Isn't it funny how certain players can afford to play crap all season but not get dropped.

By all accounts the second half on saturday was worse than the first so where was the 'spark' then???

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:15 pm

clark for collins?

Worst idea of the year.

parmopooly · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:24 pm

if Humphreys gets a game in the starting XI - then all hope is lost!!!!!!

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:31 pm

MadJohn wrote:

Jones had a great cameo appearance against Leeds and followed that up with a good performance against Carlisle. Since then he has had a quiet first half and reasonable second half at Millwall, a mediocre game against Southend and a poor one at Yeovil. Boyd has been similarly unimpressive in the last two away games but had a good home game in between. When CT says that some players are performing at home but not away he may well have been talking about Boyd, or for that matter Monkhouse, or even O'Donovan.

Sweeney was the best of a bad bunch on Saturday and came closest to scoring at Millwall (one rushed effort and one pass that just eluded him). I wouldn't leave him out. I also wouldn't leave Gamble out after one poor game at Yeovil. I want Brown in the side at Tranmere. That probably means leaving out Jones or Boyd. I think it's a matter of where CT wants to play Brown. I suspect he'll prefer him to start on the right.

At the back I think we'll also see Hartley replaced by Haslam. PH's confidence seems very low at the moment and he never really recovered on Saturday after giving away a needless penalty. From then on he was just launching the ball forwards with no real conviction. I think Collins did enough at Millwall to keep his place despite a poor showing at Yeovil.

Flinders
Austin Collins Liddle Haslam
Brown Gamble Sweeney Monkhouse
Boyd O'Donovan

If Boyd isn't effective first half I would expect to see Brown up front for the second half with Jones on the right.

ever thought about taking up football management john? You are spot on.

I would also consider simply swapping hartley and liddle...

mr maker · **Joined:** Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:41 pm **Posts:** 14

When have we ever had an effective right sided winger/ midfielder at the club. Jones is a central midfielder and is punished because he is able to play out of position. Brown is the same, he is arguably the best striker at the club and is played on the wing. Some players just cannot play out of position. I imagine Jones and Brown try to impress but if they are not naturally right wingers then how can they possibly do well. Also is it me or do we play the long ball down the left hand side of the pitch for 90 percent of the game.

Fensy · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:15 pm **Posts:** 6477

mr maker wrote:

When have we ever had an effective right sided winger/ midfielder at the club.

Ali Gibb

Fetish_Bob · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:48 pm

Can we get a new manager in within 4 days ???????????? that change may prove to be the most effective. Just a thought.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Something has to change in central defence, they are clearly not as good as people would like to think.

Compo · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:00 pm

People are saying keep Boyd in and take Jones out. I think that we should give Brown his prefaired position up front in place of Boyd with Jones on the right, just to see how things pan out.

Flinders
Austin Collins Liddle Haslam
Jones Gamble Sweeney Monkhouse
Brown O'Donovan

poolietim · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:30 pm

misterb2001 wrote:

clark for collins?

Worst idea of the year.

Collins looks like he is shitting himself everytime the ball comes near him and is too hesitent letting balls bounce instead of clearing it. It's costing us goal after goal. Something needs to change at central defence and Ben Clark is experienced and can pass a ball too. What do you suggest misterb? Cherel could come back in i suppose.

Bas Savage and Ian Moore will give our lads a tough game so you can't be in any way hesistent or off guard or they'll take us apart.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

poolietim wrote:

misterb2001 wrote:

clark for collins?

Worst idea of the year.

Collins looks like he is shitting himself everytime the ball comes near him and is too hesitent letting balls bounce instead of clearing it. It's costing us goal after goal. Something needs to change at central defence and Ben Clark is experienced and can pass a ball too. What do you suggest misterb? Cherel could come back in i suppose.

Bas Savage and Ian Moore will give our lads a tough game so you can't be in any way hesistent or off guard or they'll take us apart.

Agreed. Savage is back now and will cause us problems, Moore will be up for it and his pace could be a real weapon for them if used correctly.

'worst idea of the year' - I don't particularly think making chances to a defence as bad as ours is that stupid an idea in all honesty.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:35 pm

the partnership you suggested was the partnership that looked so clueless against mk dons so i certainly wouldnt try that again.

I would simply swap hartley and liddle. And give that a go for a few games. Liddle can defend and pass pretty well. Hartley can defend and open his mouth more.

It makes more sense to have them that way round.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

misterb2001 wrote:

the partnership you suggested was the partnership that looked so clueless against mk dons so i certainly wouldnt try that again.

I would simply swap hartley and liddle. And give that a go for a few games. Liddle can defend and pass pretty well. Hartley can defend and open his mouth more.

It makes more sense to have them that way round.

I'd personally rather see Ben Clark play centre half than Hartley who has never played there at this level. When Liddle has played at left back at this level he has never done particularly well either.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

I also like MJ's suggestion of Haslam. He has always looked pretty solid at full back for the reserves when I have seen him.

poolietim · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:42 pm

Everyone looked clueless against MKDons and Hartley's confidence can't be that good as he's taken a pounding lately. Ben would come in with something to prove and at least he's got some fight. Cherel did well against Oldham so he would do.

Spender · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:13 pm

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

Something has to change in central defence, they are clearly not as good as people would like to think.

Clang...sound of penny dropping....... clappp

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:03 pm

I'd have dropped Collins about a month ago. He was diabolical the game we beat Carlisle 4-1, he's not been consistently good since about November. We lack a leader in the back four, he certainly isn't a captain.

Turner will only drop Boyd and Jones, easy targets so I'm not even going to waste my energy trying to pick a team.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:07 pm

PJ_Poolie wrote:

. We lack a leader in the back four.

spot on

poolietim · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:13 pm

We lack a leader in the dug out as well !!!

paulus the woodgnome and a side salad · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:23 pm

Cant believe that C.T. would make a statement like that "because you cant do anything from the touchline".

Is he so old fashioned to think that you cant make changes during a game?, so you cant send a sub on with instructions for other players?, cant get one of your subs while running up and down the touchline to pass on useful info to your fullbacks/wingers?, cant get your trainer to do the same while on the pitch, or shout instructions/advice/changes during a game?

Come on every other team does it also, but to think you cant make a difference from the touchline is just blindly naive, or stubborness to stick with a blatantly failing ploy.

Jonny · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:09 pm

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

Something has to change in central defence, they are clearly not as good as people would like to think.

I agree - I also think Flinders is very lucky to be keeping his place, Turner stated at the start of the season that Cook was good enough to challenge him so why haven't we seen him play?

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:13 pm

Jonny wrote:

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

Something has to change in central defence, they are clearly not as good as people would like to think.

I agree - I also think Flinders is very lucky to be keeping his place, Turner stated at the start of the season that Cook was good enough to challenge him so why haven't we seen him play?

Flinders hasn't had a bad game for about a month. He doesn't deserve to be dropped.

Cook will never play in the football league, you've obviously never seen him play.

Optimistic · **Joined:** Sun May 31, 2009 4:07 pm **Posts:** 1067

Lets hope Flinders never gets injured then, cos that is scary no second choice Goalie good enough!!

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:42 pm

PJ_Poolie wrote:

Flinders hasn't had a bad game for about a month. He doesn't deserve to be dropped.

He hasnt exactly had many good games either. The vast majority of shots on target get past him lately. From what Ive heard of Cook, he aint the answer either like.

Jonny · **Posted:** Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:48 pm

PJ_Poolie wrote:

Jonny wrote:

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

Something has to change in central defence, they are clearly not as good as people would like to think.

I agree - I also think Flinders is very lucky to be keeping his place, Turner stated at the start of the season that Cook was good enough to challenge him so why haven't we seen him play?

Flinders hasn't had a bad game for about a month. He doesn't deserve to be dropped.

Cook will never play in the football league, you've obviously never seen him play.

PJ - Flinders was woeful at the start of the year. Sometimes dropping a keeper can freshen things up.

I haven't seen Cook play but i am not the person who said that he would be pushing Flinders all the way this season and that he was quality backup. Pools' most successful spell in this league was built on the backbone of two decent keepers.

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