Mr Turner

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

................now clearly thinks he is bigger than the club.

We will be here when you go Chris, and sadly you will now be remembered as a stubborn clueless oaf in pretty much the same manner as Martin Scott

Please come out and explain the benefits of having Larkin and and an unfit Brown upfront over any other two strikers avaiable.

Please axplain what we have to 'remember what you have done for this club'

Please explain what you work on in training, I have seen no evifence of any tactics or ability to change things round if things afren't working out.

Please explain what it is you are doing that you think justifies your current role as 'manager'

I dont like to dislike you, but I am at present, why is that, I am normally a rational man

I am even having trouble feeling despondent now, it's a numbness for the whole club, and ultimately you are to blame

.....and finally please be big enough to admit you are currently failing the club, the players and the fans !!

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:39 pm

I left the game a few minutes early. Did the fans bother to boo turner/the players or was it the despondant attitude of previous games where the fans realise that booing will serve no purpose???

loan_star · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:39 pm

Using Turners logic, you should have Joe Allon up front. He may not be any good anymore but you should remember what he did for you in the past.

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

I really don't think that anyone can be arsed to boo anymore. We have no say in this debacle. I wont stop going, it's my team and I want to support them. However, one man is making this harder and harder.

Bramstein · **Joined:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:49 pm **Posts:** 1526

Grave wrote:

I left the game a few minutes early. Did the fans bother to boo turner/the players or was it the despondant attitude of previous games where the fans realise that booing will serve no purpose???

There was the distinct sound of booing coming from the Town End at the final whistle.

2-0 down and he takes Boyd off. The more I think about it the angrier I become banghead

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:47 pm

Bramstein wrote:

Grave wrote:

I left the game a few minutes early. Did the fans bother to boo turner/the players or was it the despondant attitude of previous games where the fans realise that booing will serve no purpose???

There was the distinct sound of booing coming from the Town End at the final whistle.

2-0 down and he takes Boyd off. The more I think about it the angrier I become banghead

and when 2-0 down with ten minutes to go we send ten men back to defend free kicks leaving just larkin up front. CLEVER! :roll:

TURNER JUST welcome to the board YOU USELESS FAT FOOKIN silly boy banghead

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:50 pm

chip fireball wrote:

brown and larkin did more in 10 minutes than the players they replaced did all game.

anyone questioning the substitution of behan wants their head examining. he was bobbins. again.

Boyd played fine IMO. Behan was pathetic. Im sure even his fan club from cork couldnt think differently

Bramstein · **Joined:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:49 pm **Posts:** 1526

I agreed with Behan being replaced but I just cannot agree with taking your best goal scorer off when you need goals havin just gone 2-0 down. Boyd was not having a bad game.

If Turner, contrary to what he has said this week about Brown, thought the lad was capable of coming on and making a decisive contribution why didn't he bring him on for Behan?

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

Chip thats rubbish, please let me know what Larkin did. My post suggested that Larkin and Brown (in his current state) would be no-ones front line to chase a game, not even yours.
If Boyd is fit, Boyd stays on, end of

Fetish_Bob · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:06 pm

chip fireball wrote:

brown and larkin did more in 10 minutes than the players they replaced did all game.

anyone questioning the substitution of behan wants their head examining. he was bobbins. again.

Chip I wont disagree that Behan needed substituting.

But what was point of replacing Boyd with Brown at 2-0 down, surely the option was Brown on and a midfielder or defender off and going with 3 up front.

Instead of going 3 up front with next to no time left by bringing Bjornnson on and taking Sweeney off.

Turner is clueless, and I regret saying that, but if he loves Pools as he say's he does he has to resign and before Carlisle on Tuesday. FACT.

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

Head - Nail - Bob

TforTurner · **Joined:** Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:37 pm **Posts:** 689

Bramstein wrote:

If Turner, contrary to what he has said this week about Brown, thought the lad was capable of coming on and making a decisive contribution why didn't he bring him on for Behan?

Exactly what I was going to say. Why bring Larkin on when we're chasing the game, then 10 minutes later when we've just gone 2-0 down, bring on a Brown, rinking further serious injury in a game we've essentially just lost.

"I know people will be willing because he's sitting there on the bench and put him on, but we'll put him on when it's the right for James Brown."

Was that the right time Chris?

tigro · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:09 pm

bresslaw wrote:

................now clearly thinks he is bigger than the club.

We will be here when you go Chris, and sadly you will now be remembered as a stubborn clueless oaf in pretty much the same manner as Martin Scott

Please come out and explain the benefits of having Larkin and and an unfit Brown upfront over any other two strikers avaiable.

Please axplain what we have to 'remember what you have done for this club'

Please explain what you work on in training, I have seen no evifence of any tactics or ability to change things round if things afren't working out.

Please explain what it is you are doing that you think justifies your current role as 'manager'

I dont like to dislike you, but I am at present, why is that, I am normally a rational man

I am even having trouble feeling despondent now, it's a numbness for the whole club, and ultimately you are to blame

.....and finally please be big enough to admit you are currently failing the club, the players and the fans !!

whats evifence?

TforTurner · **Joined:** Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:37 pm **Posts:** 689

Bramstein wrote:

If Turner, contrary to what he has said this week about Brown, thought the lad was capable of coming on and making a decisive contribution why didn't he bring him on for Behan?

Exactly what I was going to say. Why bring Larkin on when we're chasing the game, then 10 minutes later when we've just gone 2-0 down, bring on a Brown, risking further serious injury in a game we've essentially just lost.

"I know people will be willing because he's sitting there on the bench and put him on, but we'll put him on when it's the right for James Brown."

Was that the right time Chris?

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

Its a spelling mistake/typing error Tigro you fookin balloon, dont anger me, I am not in the mood

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

But its not 'factually' correct is it, it's your opinion

WestParkPoolie · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:23 pm

I'd just like to know the answers from IOR to the following two questions:

What is it that Turner is doing right that makes you feel he is the best man for the job?

Who is it that reports back to Ken Hodcroft on whether the manager is doing his job properly, and does that man have a good background in football?

I just feel, as Bresslaw does, numb about it all. We just seem to be sliding towards League Two football without much fight. I'm tired of hearing we've put in good performances against the big clubs - yet just don't do it against those sides around us.

We have to beat Carlisle on Tuesday, otherwise I cannot see how on earth we are going to stay up. sadx

tigro · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:36 pm

bresslaw wrote:

Its a spelling mistake/typing error Tigro you fookin balloon, dont anger me, I am not in the mood

Cant you take a joke you fookin balloon? if not what are you doing on this board? cappiche

tigro · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:38 pm

Some one has to cheer this place up :laugh:

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

welcome to the board knob. There are some excellent posts on the board following a debacle of a game, passions are running high and your contribution is to point out a typing error, cock !

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

It is not factually correct, where are the facts

tigro · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:45 pm

bresslaw wrote:

welcome to the board knob. There are some excellent posts on the board following a debacle of a game, passions are running high and your contribution is to point out a typing error, cock !

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:46 pm

Howay lads. Play nicely. Lets keep it constructive.

Turner, welcome to the board you useles silly boy.

WestParkPoolie · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:50 pm

Grave wrote:

Howay lads. Play nicely. Lets keep it constructive.

Turner, welcome to the board you useles silly boy.

First time I've laughed since 3 o'clock :laugh:

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:52 pm

WestParkPoolie wrote:

Grave wrote:

Howay lads. Play nicely. Lets keep it constructive.

Turner, welcome to the board you useles silly boy.

First time I've laughed since 3 o'clock :laugh:

jumbodabber · **Joined:** Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:35 pm **Posts:** 530

chip fireball wrote:

a half fit brown is better than all the rest of our stikers put together. sorry but thats factually correct.

OK. So why did he not score a goal against Leeds causing a mini revival, then assist in the goal which levelled the tie?

Adam Boyd can be absolutely sh1te for 89 mins and 50 seconds, then pop up and score the equalising/winning goal. His unpredictability makes him the asset he is.

Football league goals: Boyd 7
A half fit Brown 3.

FACTS : i've sh1t em. :roll:

Fetish_Bob · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:10 pm

chip fireball wrote:

larkin won a few headers, put a couple of decent crosses in and at least looked interested.

he didnt do much, but what did boyd and behan do ?

a half fit brown is better than all the rest of our stikers put together. sorry but thats factually correct. i would play brown and any random person off the terraces up front before any combination of the other strikers.

Chip you usually talk sense and I enjoy reading your posts..Usually.

But that is a pile of S***e ....FACT.

Yes a half fit Brown is better than most of our strikers but to take Boyd, who you know can turn a game in seconds off to replace him with a half fit striker is pointless.

I've had a go at Boyd lately because of his work rate but a half fit Brown, Boyd and Larkin up front is a better option than a half fit Brown and Larkin up front with Boyd getting the hot water in the shower with 20 minutes to go. It's also a better option than a half fit Brown , Larkin and Bjornnson up front with 7 minutes to go.

So a half fit Brown and Boyd up front or a half fit Brown and me up front..............WHICH you going for ????????????

Doug the head · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:18 pm

Brown is the best player at the club, if he can stay fit he may just save us.

Fetish_Bob · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:24 pm

chip fireball wrote:

brown is better than any other striker at the club.

anyone who thinks otherwise is frankly clueless.

Were has anyone disagreed with you????????????????????????????????????

You stated it was a half fit Brown, what's the point of a half fit forward on the pitch with 20 minutes to go and 2-0 down and our next best forward going off to be replaced by a half fit Brown.

So why not start with a half fit Brown and have Boyd or Behan on the bench.

You seem to be saying that a half fit Brown should have started as he is better being half fit than anyone else we had available to start the game.

Or am I reading that wrong.

You will say I am but to me that's what your saying.

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

David Foley !!!

Bramstein · **Joined:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:49 pm **Posts:** 1526

Even if Brown was fully fit and ready for a start Turner would start him on the wing.

WestParkPoolie · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:42 pm

chip fireball wrote:

oh, and for the record the original post which i responded to stated that brown was unfit.

if he is currently unfit, what condition are the rest of our strikers in ? rolfl

terminal

Fetish_Bob · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:42 pm

chip fireball wrote:

nowhere have i stated brown was half fit today. someone else did.

what i said was that even if he was half fit he still did more in the 20 minutes than boyd and behan managed between them in the previous 70. he caused problems, he won headers, he looked for the ball, he took people on, and he won us a penalty the ref refused to give but which was blatantly a foul.

i have no idea how fit he is, but i would guess that over a 20 minute period he would be at about 85%. thats still a lot fitter than either boyd or behan. if they raced each other over 50 metres tomoro who would your money be on bob ?

My comments are based on posting's on this thread.

chip fireball wrote:

larkin won a few headers, put a couple of decent crosses in and at least looked interested.

he didnt do much, but what did boyd and behan do ?

a half fit brown is better than all the rest of our stikers put together. sorry but thats factually correct. i would play brown and any random person off the terraces up front before any combination of the other strikers.

So you said it on this thread.

Now if you quoting someone from a different thread, then fair enough, but as my posts on this thread are based on what people say on this thread, then you SAID IT.

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

chip fireball wrote:

brown and larkin did more in 10 minutes than the players they replaced did all game.

anyone questioning the substitution of behan wants their head examining. he was bobbins. again.

What a load of crap you talk mate. I watched Larkin for the reserves and he looked ok up against a couple of kids but today looked like a kid himself up against their big lads at the back.
Boyd can get a goal out of nothing as he proved againt Leeds and in fact produced our best effort on goal.
Turner put himself into a corner by putting Larkin on instead of Behan.
Then he put the icing on the cake by taking Sweeney off and leaving Monkhouse on.
Clueless.

misterb2001 · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:44 pm

so what people on here are indeed saying is...

Boyd has to start and HAS to play 90 minutes irrelevant of how he is playing because he 'might' get a goal.

Basically, some are saying he's undroppable.

that'll keep him on his toes and keep his attitude right wont it

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

misterb2001 wrote:

so what people on here are indeed saying is...

Boyd has to start and HAS to play 90 minutes irrelevant of how he is playing because he 'might' get a goal.

Basically, some are saying he's undroppable.

that'll keep him on his toes and keep his attitude right wont it

Boyd was playing ok today considering he basically up front on his own.

And yeah, if a team is chasing the game and need to get a goal they tend to leave the players who might get them a goal on the pitch.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Thought Boyd did well today, one of his better games. Dont rate Larking or Behan at all.

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

Chip why do you keep saying "people who think Behan shouldnt have been subbed.........." errr there is not 1 person who thinks he should have stayed on.

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

If you read my post it clearly says "Turner put himself into a corner by putting Larkin on instead of Behan", meaning when he come to put Brown on up front he had no option but to take Boyd off, unless he fancied tinkering with the midfield, which he didnt.
Larkin is lightweight. Boyd has proven quality.

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

chip fireball wrote:

klinger wrote:

If you read my post it clearly says "Turner put himself into a corner by putting Larkin on instead of Behan", meaning when he come to put Brown on up front he had no option but to take Boyd off, unless he fancied tinkering with the midfield, which he didnt.
Larkin is lightweight. Boyd has proven quality.

what you want him to do ? take behan off twice. :wink:

No, put Brown on 1st instead of Larkin and leave Boyd on or..
take Larkin back off and put Brown on.. and leave Boyd on.
Simple really

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:00 pm

chip fireball wrote:

personally id like to see some of this proven quality boyd has week in and week out. a few years ago he would have tortured those 2 centre backs. not once did he run at them today. not once.

To be fair Boydy never does. It is what has stopped him playing at a higher level, he isnt quick enough to do it. Whether it is down to injuries, who knows

alienlife · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:07 pm

In my non expert opinion if a player is fit enough to be on the bench he must be fit enough to play 90 minutes as injuries can happen at any time. Brown should have been either left out or put on the pitch earlier.

alienlife · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:10 pm

chip fireball wrote:

that hat trick against sheff wed he outpaced 2 defenders from the halfway line for one goal and beat 3 for another.

the boydie of old would glide past defenders, or twist and turn past them. now 9 times of ten he just wants to lay the ball off. today unfortunately a fair few of his lay off went to the opposition.

he used to make magical things happen allb the time , now we just get glimpses of it.

he would still be in my starting line up from the current options, but he hasnt played to his potential this season.

Even the boyd of old didn't really live up to his potential all of the time though, his display against Shef Wed was outstanding and if a player in the premier league did that they would be legends. Boyd has more ability than most in that side today but seems to lack a genuine desire to show it, is that the player or the manager at fault?

alienlife · **Posted:** Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:12 pm

chip fireball wrote:

alienlife wrote:

In my non expert opinion if a player is fit enough to be on the bench he must be fit enough to play 90 minutes as injuries can happen at any time. Brown should have been either left out or put on the pitch earlier.

you were right about the non expert bit rolfl

you ever had an operation on your knee then tried to play professional football ? :wink:

Oddly no, but surely he should not have been brought back on against big centre halves who would probably have not shirked kicking him to keep hold of 3 points.

klinger · **Joined:** Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 pm **Posts:** 1589

The Boydie of old was playing alongside the likes of Gordon Watson or Joel Porter, what's he had this season? Behan, Larkin, Bjornsonn, none of em good enough.
Thats why I wanted to see Brown up front with him today.

3Quid · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:11 pm **Posts:** 1791

chip fireball wrote:

brown is better than any other striker at the club.

anyone who thinks otherwise is frankly clueless.

Let's be honest here chip, you were a below average sunday pub team player and your managerial career has never really took off has it?

3Quid · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:11 pm **Posts:** 1791

chip fireball wrote:

3Quid wrote:

chip fireball wrote:

brown is better than any other striker at the club.

anyone who thinks otherwise is frankly clueless.

Let's be honest here chip, you were a below average sunday pub team player and your managerial career has never really took off has it?

i think i played ive played one season for a sunday pub team, and that was when i was 17.

ive never managed a football team, nor would i want to.

but hey, dont let facts get in the way of you posting.

those paid to work in the game value brown at over £500,000. but hey i wouldnt take their opinion, over that of a bloke who manages a five a side team. :wink:

Facts?

The fact that Boydy has a better goalscoring ratio than Brown and Porter!.....sorry if you didn't like that last bit but Boydy is better striker than Porter (and Brown), he must have, he's scored more goals for Pools in less games!......hows that for facts?

Brown worth 500k+? No chance. Why has no-one come in for him then?

5-a-side? Wrong yet again :wink:

I'll keep you right.

Bramstein · **Joined:** Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:49 pm **Posts:** 1526

chip fireball wrote:

at their best there wouldnt be much between the three of them to be honest. certainly 3 of the best players ive seen play for pools.

being a striker isnt just about taking penalties is it ? its about working your arse off for the team, showing for the ball, taking the studs into the back of the halves and ankles to win free kicks.

i also dont think you can compare scoring ratios between a player who has played all his life up front and someone who has spent the majority of his time playing right wing.

clubs have come in for brown. however he is under contract, and unlike boyd he didnt go spitting his dummy out and demanding a transfer when he thought he was too good for pools and the 4th division.

fair play to boydie he got his big money move and he deserved his chance. he hasnt done much since then to enhance that reputation though has he ?

as i said earlier, if pools were to make brown and boyd available for transfer at the end of the season, which of them would pools get bids for ? boydie had his shot at the championship, cant see him getting another. the only thing that will prevent brownie playing at a higher level is injury. when fit, he is a league above playing for pools.

have you moved on to 7 a side management now ? thats progress for you. you will be managing one of them sunday pub teams next. which i imagine is a fooking thankless task.

in all seriousness hats of to anyone running a footie team. especially if they have tosswits like me playing for them. :wink:

I think Brown's injuries will ultimately stop a lot of clubs bidding for him. Then again the deals some clubs strike during the transfer period you wonder if they ever consider matters as trivial as injury record!

I still maintain that taking Boyd off was the wrong decision yesterday. If Brown was fit enough for a 20 minute spell then fair enough but he should have come on when Behan came off.

Mr Turner

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