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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:31 pm 
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Look. Let's face it. The attendences have dropped since our day trip to the Millenium Stadium.

The floaters will have thought what they have always thought. Pools always bottle it when the chance comes along.

That was our big chance and unfortunately we blew it.

Scott, Wilson and now Turner have all lived in the shadow of that big day and we will always struggle to get those fans back.

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all joking aside if people are not getting any enjoyment out of going then i dont think knocking a quid or two off admission is going to make a difference, and i certainly cant see them forking out for a season ticket.

it worries me when sound lads like tax payer and parmo are losing interest. for me even when the football has been shyte, and it has been for most of the time ive been going, it was more about having a laugh, and seeing your mates. especially away from home.

i can genuinely see where tax payer is coming from. ive cut right back on the away games because it was getting daft forking out a lot to watch crap. and once you get out of the habit, you dont miss it as much as you thought you would.

the club have to make the matchday experience more enjoyable. they have to make people want to go again. and they should have addressed this as soon as the crowds started to drop, rather than waiting till they got down to the diehards.

as dibble rightly says, it may take a cartwheel signing to generate interest. it may take a change of manager to spark it. it may take a relegation to a division we have a chance of winning.


I agree with all of that Mr Fireball. clappp :shock: :laugh:

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all joking aside if people are not getting any enjoyment out of going then i dont think knocking a quid or two off admission is going to make a difference, and i certainly cant see them forking out for a season ticket.

it worries me when sound lads like tax payer and parmo are losing interest. for me even when the football has been shyte, and it has been for most of the time ive been going, it was more about having a laugh, and seeing your mates. especially away from home.

i can genuinely see where tax payer is coming from. ive cut right back on the away games because it was getting daft forking out a lot to watch crap. and once you get out of the habit, you dont miss it as much as you thought you would.

the club have to make the matchday experience more enjoyable. they have to make people want to go again. and they should have addressed this as soon as the crowds started to drop, rather than waiting till they got down to the diehards.

as dibble rightly says, it may take a cartwheel signing to generate interest. it may take a change of manager to spark it. it may take a relegation to a division we have a chance of winning.


Totally agree about away matches I used to try to get to as many as i can but now just cant be bothered, althought probably going to norwich, I have even planned to go on a night out the day of the soton match so I am going to miss it something I wouldnt even have considered about 3 years ago.

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but away matches arent the problem. Its the home ones that are.

Unfortunately for IOR, i think Dibbs & Chip are spot on, we need the coveted cartwheel signing.

in order to make money (or in our case, lose less money) we need to spend it.

It may only have to be a one season thing, but we need somebody who will make the stayaways sit up and take note.

Beardsley did that when he signed, now we need another.

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ADG - "point not valid"

Of course it is - go and sign a bearsdley type signing for 3 months and then have to look for a replacement in the summer and look hard cos people will expect that person to be s*** hot.

or get a grafter who makes us win at home.

only one defeat in nine at home - why arent we pushing this? 'fortress' ??

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but away matches arent the problem. Its the home ones that are.

Unfortunately for IOR, i think Dibbs & Chip are spot on, we need the coveted cartwheel signing.

in order to make money (or in our case, lose less money) we need to spend it.

It may only have to be a one season thing, but we need somebody who will make the stayaways sit up and take note.

Beardsley did that when he signed, now we need another.


Hey, that was my idea! :evil: :laugh:

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Watson retired through injury then signed for us a few years or so later.

Let's just sign Dean Ashton next summer, job done.

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I'm sure the hierarchy of Pools will listen to what they consider to be sensible suggestions.

The problem we have as fans is that we're bickering amongst ourselves before any suggestion has been sent to Pools for them to listen. What one person consider's a good suggestion other's may not but to simply "fight" amongst ourselves is defeating any possible idea's before they have had a chance to be discussed by either Pools or fan's on here or in a pub or at the games.

I have sent a suggestion in, it's not radical but it's a possibility.

We sell half season tickets now(whether money up front or on some sort of interest finance) where we charge the same price for the games that were charged for the original full season ticket, approx £13 to stand. Meaning a fan can get to the last 11 home games for £143.

On the same lines they sell "batches" of tickets (in case people have commitments that mean they can't attend all 11 remaining home fixtures ) on a sliding type of scale, i.e 10 tickets at £14 each and something like 5-9 tickets at £15 each.Now I consider that a possibility, but not knowing the exact financial position, Pools may deem it not workable, that is their prerogative. Some on here will also disagree, but to simply "shoot it down in flames" without coming up with an alternative is not going to help.

We need to be united at this time and back biting , name calling of other fans is in my opinion not the way forward.


Not knocking your idea Bob, but for me the club need to do something very simple, and attractive to those not attending.

Your idea wouldnt work for me, as forking out over 100 notes in January is just a non starter.

Fans need an immediate incentive. The easiest way for the club to show intent on moving forward is to bring in a cartwheel signing.

I am not saying it should happen, but its more likely to work than most suggestions.

If the club really want to make a concession on prices they should just reduce prices by 25%.

Sadly, and wrongly, some would only return if the manager was replaced.

To bring back disenchanted fans the club to do something radical.

Ken Hodcroft telling us that times are hard and new players will be restricted, like he did in the summer, was very counter-productive, when he expected fans to pay £20 to get in, in the same breath. Its like he thought the recession affects businesses but not individuals.


That's why I also suggested some sort of interest free payment. Direct debit over the 4 months remaining of the season, if bought all 11 remaining games at £143 over 4 months would be £35.75p a month. Therefore cost is actually less than attending 2 games a month(£36 to stand so seems minimal) but over 11 games (at £18 is £198 ) it's a saving to the individual of £55.If all 11 games attended.

Another idea may be to set next season's season ticket prices and put on sale now so fans have longer to pay.

Most people on here seem to put the expense near the top of the list for not going, and yes with it just after Christmas that will be the case for the next few games, so offering fans ANY SORT OF SAVING, can only help in my opinion.

Of course a "cartwheel signing" will help, in many people's opinion, but in some it may have an adverse effect, they would probably come up with well CT won't play him right, he will still be playing in a team not playing exciting football so I'm (not me those saying it) not going anyway. Probably totally wrong but playing devil's advocate I can actually see some saying that. Some, and not any on here, will always claim to be a fan but will use excuses not to go, note I said *excuses*, when they have a **reason** then that's fair enough.

Quick definition....The ability to make an *excuse* relies on choice.
A valid *reason* restricts your choices.(other commitments)

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asking missing fans to go to the club and set up a direct debit is not going to attract them to go.

They need something tangible and immediate.

A lot of people think the club are just treading water, the club need to prove they arent.

Otherwise the missing fans will not return.


I'm asking them to go to buy 11 tickets and save £50 but you've already found an excuse ...I'm not going I have set up a direct debit.......

The reason for not going is simply I don't want 11 tickets to watch Pools

Surely going to buy 11 tickets and SAVING money is a reason to go.


The tangible and immediate is why they have asked fans to contribute.

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Mr Ripper wrote:
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but away matches arent the problem. Its the home ones that are.

Unfortunately for IOR, i think Dibbs & Chip are spot on, we need the coveted cartwheel signing.

in order to make money (or in our case, lose less money) we need to spend it.

It may only have to be a one season thing, but we need somebody who will make the stayaways sit up and take note.

Beardsley did that when he signed, now we need another.


Hey, that was my idea! :evil: :laugh:

If you read page two of this thread, you might get the hint that it was actually my idea, which Dibble readily agreed with.
A major spark or catalyst required was suggested. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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asking missing fans to go to the club and set up a direct debit is not going to attract them to go.

They need something tangible and immediate.

A lot of people think the club are just treading water, the club need to prove they arent.

Otherwise the missing fans will not return.


I'm asking them to go to buy 11 tickets and save £50 but you've already found an excuse ...I'm not going I have set up a direct debit.......

The reason for not going is simply I don't want 11 tickets to watch Pools

Surely going to buy 11 tickets and SAVING money is a reason to go.


The tangible and immediate is why they have asked fans to contribute.


Sorry Mr Bob, but as many good points as your idea may have it misses one big one, in my opinion.

To get fans back into the ground you need to get them in for one or two games as a starter rather than having the incentive for them attending loads of games. Get them to come to a game or two and get them back into the habit. Give them an immediate, eye opening reason for getting there on match day and then hope that the team inspires them to return. Merely offering them a mini season ticket at a similar deal to that offered last summer which they didn't take up isn't going to mean diddly squat to the folk that the club need to get through the turnstiles.

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for the tuesday night game with gillingham, which will be horrifically attended, id make it a fiver in advance to get into all parts of the ground for adults, and hoy in a free kids ticket.



Will I get a refund on my season ticket?






Only joking, but some would whinge about it!

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I'm not convinced that money is the prime factor and if thats the case then a load of tickets a little bit cheaper ain't going to entice people back.

The fact is that watching Pools is currently percieved as being tedious and unexciting. That perception, be it right or wrong needs to be changed. I'm not one for changin managers every five minutes but Scott, wilson and now Turner served up performances which were dour and perhaps more important; below the potential of the squad. People will put up with dour when its eleven poor players giving their all but not when its a group of well paid, allegedly good players, underperforming.

Bring in a manager who can motivate both the players and the fans and has some idea about tactics and it will put 1000 on the gate overnight.


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Would Shearer have the spark effect??? sctatchinghead sctatchinghead sctatchinghead sctatchinghead

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I don't think he wants a premiershit hero involved with our little club.

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i think MJ was thinking about getting the superstar from the last few years from all of the 'big 3' in the North East then we will attract all of the plastic supporters to the Vic


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MadJohn wrote:
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Yes he would, whether we like like it or not.

A lot of those that dont currently go would go if that happened.

Sign him up. While we're at it, give Juninho a call as well. It's a shame Kev Phillips seems to be getting his game at Birmingham or we could have done a clean sweep.

Well if you really think we could pull it off...............why not??
I don't think Juninho would like our weather at the moment and Kevin Phillips ( is he one of your clan?) said he'll only come after Mick Brown signs.
I think you're being a tad carried away MJ, but nice ideas nevertheless. :wink:

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i wouldnt give a crap is phillips, shearer etc came here. Both of them would rattle goals in for fun at this level and whats wrong with attracking other "fans" to the ground, hopefully these people will see the light and start to stupport pools bringing their children along as well.

Then we all wake up and realise that this will never happen as to many idiots in the town want to support Manure or the skunks

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MadJohn wrote:
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What was the point in posting that John? sctatchinghead

Fook knows :laugh:

The cartwheel signing of Beardsley put 1500 on the gate. For one game. Then it dropped back to normal. People turned up for the curiosity value, then buggered off again. They came back for the Scarborough game to see if we'd be relegated. When we won that one they buggered off once more.

That was Beardsley, one of the best English players of his generation and a hero to plastic Mags all over the town. It had a limited effect on the gate and it was a very expensive move. Unless someone like Shearer was prepared to play for nack all I could see the same happening again. Also, Beardsley was still playing when we signed him. Shearer has been retired nearly four years.

I am simply not interested in signing an pensionable former superstar player just to attract the fleeting interest of people who aren't Pools fans and aren't going to stick around anyway. We need to get back the people who were here 3-4 years ago and that means improving the team and winning more matches, not giving in to a bit of shitty showbiz.

Edit: we also need to do what we can to get kids interested, and KEEP them interested. They don't bring in as much cash short-term as the adults, but they are the future bedrock support of the club. Ask the kids what we should be doing to attract them; it's no use asking a fossil like me.

I am not interested in Shearer playing either. The question I asked was referring to him being appointed as manager and what would people think to that. Would that be a spark or not?

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asking missing fans to go to the club and set up a direct debit is not going to attract them to go.

They need something tangible and immediate.

A lot of people think the club are just treading water, the club need to prove they arent.

Otherwise the missing fans will not return.


I'm asking them to go to buy 11 tickets and save £50 but you've already found an excuse ...I'm not going I have set up a direct debit.......

The reason for not going is simply I don't want 11 tickets to watch Pools

Surely going to buy 11 tickets and SAVING money is a reason to go.


The tangible and immediate is why they have asked fans to contribute.


Sorry Mr Bob, but as many good points as your idea may have it misses one big one, in my opinion.

To get fans back into the ground you need to get them in for one or two games as a starter rather than having the incentive for them attending loads of games. Get them to come to a game or two and get them back into the habit. Give them an immediate, eye opening reason for getting there on match day and then hope that the team inspires them to return. Merely offering them a mini season ticket at a similar deal to that offered last summer which they didn't take up isn't going to mean diddly squat to the folk that the club need to get through the turnstiles.


Totally agree........... and that's why the idea went as far as purchasing "batches" of tickets at a reduced price. I suggested 5-9 tickets at £15. I'm not sure whether it would be feasible for Pools to offer say £2-£3 off a single match day ticket if purchased in advance. But if buying 5-9 tickets then it may well be possible. Maybe 5 games may be to many for some of the "lost fans" but as you say we need to get them back somehow and apart from the £2-£3 off a ticket if purchased maybe not being feasible to Pools , I don't think saving £2-£3 for a single game will attract to many of the "lost" fans but if they buy 5 (£75) then its like buying 4 getting 1 free, it may help them to decide to give it a go. But as mentioned previously it just after Christmas £75 may well be to much to fork out.

At this precise moment in time, as much as I want to see those "lost" fans return, I just can't see it. To the point that if Pools offered 200 free tickets for the next home game to the first 200 through the club shop door tomorrow , some would still say, I'm not going down with my luck I'll be the 201st in the queue and not get one anyway, yes maybe bit far fetched but way some "fans" are at the moment, highly likely.

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chip fireball wrote:
surely the comment about shearer was made in relation to him taking over as manager ?

if that was to happen at the end of the season, in my opinion we would sell a record numbers of season tickets.

i am not advocating this, i am simply stating an opinion as to what would happen.

It was Chip.
It was a follow on to the previous post made by Mr ADG where he mentioned a new manager.

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Like, or in madjohns case, loathe the premiership, someone like shearer as manager would put bums on seats, and other players would sign for us as a result.

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Shearer as manager? I agree with chip; the increase in interest from both the people of Hartlepool and the media would be enormous.

Which is what prompted my question.

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Shearer as manager? I agree with chip; the increase in interest from both the people of Hartlepool and the media would be enormous.


I also agree that anyone with the status of Shearer would put plenty more a***s on seats.

And as much as Hodcroft and Shearer are reported to be good friends, can we seriously afford him.

The fact is many believe we need a new manager but in my opinion it will be a young and up-coming one who is within Pools budget. If it was Shearer,or any other big name then all the better, as that will attract fans, it may even get barcode fans who live in the town but don't attend barcode stadium to attend simply because we have their "hero" in charge.

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Why bring the premiership into it. There are lots of people who hate the premiership and all it stands for, we just don't harp on about it at every turn.
This is about Hartlepool United and I am also convinced that appointing Shearer as manager will improve our attendances.
I can't make my mind up if Shearer actually wants to become a manager, but if he does AND he was prepared to come to Pools he would be the kind of spark that is needed.
Shearer has been linked with Sheffield Wednesday but he says he is not interested. Wednesday is fast becoming a graveyard for managers.
Inevitably we would get Mags turning up, which some people would disagree with, but we're after bigger gates..................

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I have more chance of being the next Pope than Shearer ever being our manager

Would that be Pope Compo the first or have there been others??

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As an exile who rarely gets to home games, I go to more away games than home games but would still class myself as a long suffering Poolie, I think the drop in attendances is down to a combination of factors.

1. The club have had their most successful period in their 101 year history in the last decade or so. A large number of non Pools fans came to the Vic and enjoyed the history/atmosphere/success/football. Expectations are higher than they ever were.
2. That success has now been followed by a period where we have under-achieved/failed to win anything/played poorer football
3. The club seem to want to play the "we're a poor small club punching above our weight" argument rather than "we're a proud club and will have a good go at any team we play against". The current management play this card all too often to the point that the players seem to believe it.
4. "The Town's Club" seems reluctant to bring the youngsters through as they did a few years ago. We have brought in a number of squad players rather than genuine first team players leaving little scope for the likes of Johnny Rowell to gain first team experience.
5. Play better football. Fans can only tolerate hoof ball if its a winning tactic and it doesn't play to our strengths up front. Is this down to the players or the manager?

So what can the club do

1. In hard economic times football is an expensive day out. Incentivise people to bring a friend or two. How about a half price ticket for each season ticket holders to bring a friend or a three for two for non season ticket holders.
2. Take the cup competitions more seriously and WIN something
3. Decide whether the current manager can deliver the winning formula. If not get a new manager in asap who can motivate and manage his players

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Could the downturn in attendences be due to the town, countires and worlds current economic climate?

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The economic downturn happened long before this year. But pools didnt take that into consideration in July when announcing ticket prices. So you could argue that they are now reaping what they sowed back then.


Concurring with that like, sadly.

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I don't post very often (but read the board a lot!) - I reckon I'm one of the fans the club are talking about.

I've been a supporter since 1984, I've had a season ticket for 5 of the last 10 years, and the other 5 years I went to at least 95% of the games, including many, many away games - even Macclesfield on a freezing February night not so long back.

Until this year. I haven't been since the Burnley cup game - and here's why:

It's dull. It's simply not value for money or - without wanting to sound pompous - worthy of my spare time. I have 2 days off from a stressful job a week, like most people do. I'm not willing to spend an entire Saturday afternoon on watching poor, long-ball football when I know we capable of entertaining, exciting, effective football that both gets us good results AND entertains.

I know the arguments are going to be "if you want entertainment, go to the cinema" or along those lines, but lets go back a few years to - yes here's his name inevitably mentioned - the Cooper years, or Turner's first reign. Now THAT was something I really looked forward to seeing and wouldn't dream of missing a match, I was counting down the minutes to the next match. I was devastated if we lost - but I usually left the Vic feeling PROUD to be a Poolie even if we did lose. For a long time now all I've felt when leaving the Vic was devastated that I'd spent another 30-odd quid and wasted another few hours of spare time, when I could have been out having a laugh or even watched 10 good DVD's for the cash I'd spent. Strangely, I felt this even if we'd won. Sure, I was chuffed that we'd won, but I didn't feel proud or that we'd won in any of sort of style.

Some of you will probably say "we don't need people like you, I'd rather you did stay at home and watch the bloody DVD's" but the fact is, the club DOES need people like me, and there's literally thousands like me who feel the same and are now voting with their feet.

Earlier in the thread someone asked if we expect Wenger or Mourinho with the crowds we have. No, we want another First-reign Turner, or great find like Cooper, who brings the brand of football back to the Vic that we have become synonomous with over the last decade.

Then I'll be back in my rightful place behind the goal, belting out the songs with pride and passion again, because the players will playing with pride and passion, like they did a couple of years back.

So, I can put my situation down to two things, neither of which will be a surprise to anyone:

1) This is not the main issue, but the cost - it's not worth £20 a game (plus petrol, pie, programme, lottery ticket etc) right now.
2) The management - the way we play is not conducive to attracting crowds or creating atmospheres as we can stay at home and watch paint dry for free.

What's frustrating is that we know how we played the first time under Turner and that it worked. It was ace, we loved it, the attendances soared. So why isn't he trying to recreate it? Perhaps he needs to sit and watch some old Pools World highlights and jump-start his memory on what we were like...


This thread is brilliant. One of the best threads I have seen on the bunker (barring Pooliekevs diahoreah chair one obviously)

I think what Steve Tuplings Mullet makes a very valid point here re value for money.

Another key issue is that our attitudes towards Pools have changed radically over the past 20 years or so.

Late 80's - the fans did not expect us to win many games. We were poor and there was little/no optimism around. The reason people went was because they CARED and people so wanted us to beat relegation again. It was like buying a ticket for the lottery. The chance of winning was remote but so important should it occur. Fans wanted to see us survive and wanted to be there should we somehow win a game.

The promotion season of 90/91 - extra fans started attending due to some great results and something different to play for (promotion and not relegation for once).

the really shitty years (mid to late 90's onwards) - We were dreadful during this period with dreadful players. I remember when we had the likes of tony canham,damian henderson, scott sloan that we all cheered when we got a throw in or set piece in the oppositions half of the pitch as it gave us chance to try and score a goal ffs. The spectators would still attend as they dont support pools out of some expectation to see a great team, they wanted us to beat the odds again and stay in the league. It was an acheivement and seen as 'success' during those times. Expectations were low so the supporters exprected relegation battles and our goal was survival.

2000+ The better years. Our expectations started to change. We started to see some 'football' and goals. relegation was not seen as a threat so we were playing for play off places and the outside chance of promotion. It was a welcome change and fans started to attend in larger numbers to see this amazing situation. Pools were winning games 5-1, 6-0 etc and we were getting used to it. Our expectations rose quite quickly in a short space of time. People attended to see great football and possibly promotion.

Since this time we have obviously had more highs than lows. Playing in league one and getting to the play offs was such a novelty at first and if most spectators are honest the initial goal was simply to stay in league 1. fans attended to see if this could happen (and it did).

Obviously we had the scotty 'blip' but it was only short term and the fans optimism remained.

Now we find oursleves in league one again having being used to having something to play for. Currently we sit 11th but as CT keepes telling us, we are punching above our weight and playing much better teams. the fans optimism wanes inevitably. Suddenly it feels as if something is missing. How can supporters get value for money spending £20 if there is nothing to play for? During the bad years the fans paid gate money as they were desperate to see us stay in the league - we had a goal to aim for. Now we are told that we dont really have any ambition so £20 does not seem good value for money - we dont seem to have anything to play for. If this is the case then the only thing which will make the £20 entrance fee seem reasonable (value for money again) would be decent football. Unfortunately this has fallen apart under CTs 2nd spell and is more reminiscent of the scotty 'blip'. We now have a situation where we are being told by the club not to expect anything and we are not entertaining the fans. We didnt always win games under Danny Wilson but we at least played some good stuff and the fans appreciated this.

Our expectations have changed and as a result our opinions as to what amounts to 'value for money' has had to change to. We can all see that we have some very good players but they are not being played the right way. If they were, then I think we would have an outside chance of scraping into the play-offs. How can the supporters see pools as good value for money when the players cant play to their potential while a defeatist loser like Chris Turner is in charge? We dont appear to have anythign to play for and are not playing good football? We have got spoilt over recent years and expect something positive in return for our money, not merely listening to our "Director of sport", manager or whatever saying how we have nothing to aim for and to expect defeat against other sides in the division.

It is not about 'money', it is about 'value for money' and there is a difference. We could all use our match day funds in more practical ways but Pools have provided good value over the years (for differing reasons over time, the joy of surviving relegation in the bad old days, the desire to see a club like pools get promotion during CT's first spell, the novelty of seeing us play league 1 opposition, the crazy realisation and goal that we may get into the championship)

Now we are used to playing in league 1 and the novelty has gone. We are clearly not aiming for promotion (CT has said this) and we are not to expected to compete against the better teams (CT has said this). This would not be quite so glum if we were playing good football to entertain the fans but we arent.

Pools are NOT good value for money these days and not worth £20 to sit in a (now) lifeless ground watching drab football with no ambition. The irony is that i bet most of us think our current squad is 'not bad' and that if played the right way would play some decent football. Unfortunately Turner seems to have gone backwards since his first stint and no amount of reserved optimism in our current players can overpower the deafeatist mentality that CT has cursed the club with.

I do think a change of manager (and yes, I appreciate that they dont grow on trees, but anybody worth their salt could get our current cquad playing good stuff - and im sure very few other potential managers would be so stupid as to quash any recent optimism in the manner which CT has done) would help greatly. The spirit within the club has gone ( this is not just down to CT, but also partly attributable to Scotty and Wilson). The club has made some poor managerial decisions lately and is now suffering the consequences.

The fans dont expect sucess, they want 'value for money' and they are not getting it. Had I not got a season ticket then I would probably not be attending these days. I missed the Oldham game as I had (and still have) a pretty bad cold and sore throat. And yes, i know that is gay as feck. In days gone by I would have attended regardless and it would have taken broken legs to keep me away. The spirit within the club these days depresses me and sure it is largely down to the 'manager'.
Fantastic post and you nailed it all.

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chip fireball wrote:
for the tuesday night game with gillingham, which will be horrifically attended, id make it a fiver in advance to get into all parts of the ground for adults, and hoy in a free kids ticket.



Will I get a refund on my season ticket?

Only joking, but some would whinge about it!


My suggestion emailed to pools this morning was to have a '2 for the price of 1' offer for the Huddersfield/Carlisle games in February being that they are 4 days apart but as Mr BP states, any ticket reduction will no doubt upset a number of season ticket holders?


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chessington wrote:
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chip fireball wrote:
for the tuesday night game with gillingham, which will be horrifically attended, id make it a fiver in advance to get into all parts of the ground for adults, and hoy in a free kids ticket.



Will I get a refund on my season ticket?

Only joking, but some would whinge about it!


My suggestion emailed to pools this morning was to have a '2 for the price of 1' offer for the Huddersfield/Carlisle games in February being that they are 4 days apart but as Mr BP states, any ticket reduction will no doubt upset a number of season ticket holders?


That's because people like to moan. Bollocks to them IMO.

I've been a season ticket holder before and I wouldn't criticise them if they decided to increase revenue for themselves by bringing in any offers. It's no skin off my nose.

Historically though there is ALWAYS one person on here who moans about a decision a club makes about anything. It is generally Ripper, ADG or Tree. :wink: :laugh:

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chessington wrote:
BillinghamPoolie wrote:
chip fireball wrote:
for the tuesday night game with gillingham, which will be horrifically attended, id make it a fiver in advance to get into all parts of the ground for adults, and hoy in a free kids ticket.



Will I get a refund on my season ticket?

Only joking, but some would whinge about it!


My suggestion emailed to pools this morning was to have a '2 for the price of 1' offer for the Huddersfield/Carlisle games in February being that they are 4 days apart but as Mr BP states, any ticket reduction will no doubt upset a number of season ticket holders?


So fudge, if you buy a top then it gets reduced in the sales 2 months later you cant winge about it!

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Could the downturn in attendences be due to the town, countires and worlds current economic climate?


It isnt.

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Whilst on about that board, can someone from there explain to me why I have to scroll down in installments. The whole screen jerks like its going to break my computer. Whats all that about?


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Grave wrote:
stevetuplingsmullet wrote:
I don't post very often (but read the board a lot!) - I reckon I'm one of the fans the club are talking about.

I've been a supporter since 1984, I've had a season ticket for 5 of the last 10 years, and the other 5 years I went to at least 95% of the games, including many, many away games - even Macclesfield on a freezing February night not so long back.

Until this year. I haven't been since the Burnley cup game - and here's why:

It's dull. It's simply not value for money or - without wanting to sound pompous - worthy of my spare time. I have 2 days off from a stressful job a week, like most people do. I'm not willing to spend an entire Saturday afternoon on watching poor, long-ball football when I know we capable of entertaining, exciting, effective football that both gets us good results AND entertains.

I know the arguments are going to be "if you want entertainment, go to the cinema" or along those lines, but lets go back a few years to - yes here's his name inevitably mentioned - the Cooper years, or Turner's first reign. Now THAT was something I really looked forward to seeing and wouldn't dream of missing a match, I was counting down the minutes to the next match. I was devastated if we lost - but I usually left the Vic feeling PROUD to be a Poolie even if we did lose. For a long time now all I've felt when leaving the Vic was devastated that I'd spent another 30-odd quid and wasted another few hours of spare time, when I could have been out having a laugh or even watched 10 good DVD's for the cash I'd spent. Strangely, I felt this even if we'd won. Sure, I was chuffed that we'd won, but I didn't feel proud or that we'd won in any of sort of style.

Some of you will probably say "we don't need people like you, I'd rather you did stay at home and watch the bloody DVD's" but the fact is, the club DOES need people like me, and there's literally thousands like me who feel the same and are now voting with their feet.

Earlier in the thread someone asked if we expect Wenger or Mourinho with the crowds we have. No, we want another First-reign Turner, or great find like Cooper, who brings the brand of football back to the Vic that we have become synonomous with over the last decade.

Then I'll be back in my rightful place behind the goal, belting out the songs with pride and passion again, because the players will playing with pride and passion, like they did a couple of years back.

So, I can put my situation down to two things, neither of which will be a surprise to anyone:

1) This is not the main issue, but the cost - it's not worth £20 a game (plus petrol, pie, programme, lottery ticket etc) right now.
2) The management - the way we play is not conducive to attracting crowds or creating atmospheres as we can stay at home and watch paint dry for free.

What's frustrating is that we know how we played the first time under Turner and that it worked. It was ace, we loved it, the attendances soared. So why isn't he trying to recreate it? Perhaps he needs to sit and watch some old Pools World highlights and jump-start his memory on what we were like...


This thread is brilliant. One of the best threads I have seen on the bunker (barring Pooliekevs diahoreah chair one obviously)

I think what Steve Tuplings Mullet makes a very valid point here re value for money.

Another key issue is that our attitudes towards Pools have changed radically over the past 20 years or so.

Late 80's - the fans did not expect us to win many games. We were poor and there was little/no optimism around. The reason people went was because they CARED and people so wanted us to beat relegation again. It was like buying a ticket for the lottery. The chance of winning was remote but so important should it occur. Fans wanted to see us survive and wanted to be there should we somehow win a game.

The promotion season of 90/91 - extra fans started attending due to some great results and something different to play for (promotion and not relegation for once).

the really shitty years (mid to late 90's onwards) - We were dreadful during this period with dreadful players. I remember when we had the likes of tony canham,damian henderson, scott sloan that we all cheered when we got a throw in or set piece in the oppositions half of the pitch as it gave us chance to try and score a goal ffs. The spectators would still attend as they dont support pools out of some expectation to see a great team, they wanted us to beat the odds again and stay in the league. It was an acheivement and seen as 'success' during those times. Expectations were low so the supporters exprected relegation battles and our goal was survival.

2000+ The better years. Our expectations started to change. We started to see some 'football' and goals. relegation was not seen as a threat so we were playing for play off places and the outside chance of promotion. It was a welcome change and fans started to attend in larger numbers to see this amazing situation. Pools were winning games 5-1, 6-0 etc and we were getting used to it. Our expectations rose quite quickly in a short space of time. People attended to see great football and possibly promotion.

Since this time we have obviously had more highs than lows. Playing in league one and getting to the play offs was such a novelty at first and if most spectators are honest the initial goal was simply to stay in league 1. fans attended to see if this could happen (and it did).

Obviously we had the scotty 'blip' but it was only short term and the fans optimism remained.

Now we find oursleves in league one again having being used to having something to play for. Currently we sit 11th but as CT keepes telling us, we are punching above our weight and playing much better teams. the fans optimism wanes inevitably. Suddenly it feels as if something is missing. How can supporters get value for money spending £20 if there is nothing to play for? During the bad years the fans paid gate money as they were desperate to see us stay in the league - we had a goal to aim for. Now we are told that we dont really have any ambition so £20 does not seem good value for money - we dont seem to have anything to play for. If this is the case then the only thing which will make the £20 entrance fee seem reasonable (value for money again) would be decent football. Unfortunately this has fallen apart under CTs 2nd spell and is more reminiscent of the scotty 'blip'. We now have a situation where we are being told by the club not to expect anything and we are not entertaining the fans. We didnt always win games under Danny Wilson but we at least played some good stuff and the fans appreciated this.

Our expectations have changed and as a result our opinions as to what amounts to 'value for money' has had to change to. We can all see that we have some very good players but they are not being played the right way. If they were, then I think we would have an outside chance of scraping into the play-offs. How can the supporters see pools as good value for money when the players cant play to their potential while a defeatist loser like Chris Turner is in charge? We dont appear to have anythign to play for and are not playing good football? We have got spoilt over recent years and expect something positive in return for our money, not merely listening to our "Director of sport", manager or whatever saying how we have nothing to aim for and to expect defeat against other sides in the division.

It is not about 'money', it is about 'value for money' and there is a difference. We could all use our match day funds in more practical ways but Pools have provided good value over the years (for differing reasons over time, the joy of surviving relegation in the bad old days, the desire to see a club like pools get promotion during CT's first spell, the novelty of seeing us play league 1 opposition, the crazy realisation and goal that we may get into the championship)

Now we are used to playing in league 1 and the novelty has gone. We are clearly not aiming for promotion (CT has said this) and we are not to expected to compete against the better teams (CT has said this). This would not be quite so glum if we were playing good football to entertain the fans but we arent.

Pools are NOT good value for money these days and not worth £20 to sit in a (now) lifeless ground watching drab football with no ambition. The irony is that i bet most of us think our current squad is 'not bad' and that if played the right way would play some decent football. Unfortunately Turner seems to have gone backwards since his first stint and no amount of reserved optimism in our current players can overpower the deafeatist mentality that CT has cursed the club with.

I do think a change of manager (and yes, I appreciate that they dont grow on trees, but anybody worth their salt could get our current cquad playing good stuff - and im sure very few other potential managers would be so stupid as to quash any recent optimism in the manner which CT has done) would help greatly. The spirit within the club has gone ( this is not just down to CT, but also partly attributable to Scotty and Wilson). The club has made some poor managerial decisions lately and is now suffering the consequences.

The fans dont expect sucess, they want 'value for money' and they are not getting it. Had I not got a season ticket then I would probably not be attending these days. I missed the Oldham game as I had (and still have) a pretty bad cold and sore throat. And yes, i know that is gay as feck. In days gone by I would have attended regardless and it would have taken broken legs to keep me away. The spirit within the club these days depresses me and sure it is largely down to the 'manager'.


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Shearer as manager? I agree with chip; the increase in interest from both the people of Hartlepool and the media would be enormous.


Sadly....I concur!!!! sadx sadx

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