Apologies for missing the bunker do last night.
I hope it was a cracking night. Unfortunately had to make a train journey to Grantham where im at now with the missus. Family things etc....

Anyway this guy executed in china.
Quarter of a million pound worth of smack but the first execution of a European in 50 years.
I think a slow agonising death would have been much more appropriate.
But would the death penalty work here !!

Apparently according to his medical records there was no history of mental illness before he was caught!!
Hats off to the Chinese on this one.

Anybody else feel that half an hour after hearing about a Chinese State Execution you could fancy hearing about another one?

Have you heard his attempt at a record which he thought was going to make him a star? He was clearly in need of mental help, not execution.

Was it Killing Me Softly?

If they are set on killing Europeans with a mental illness Mr Spender best get into hiding or get his arse back home to England sharpish

Not one to be pedantic but he stabbed her to death once but used his knife 96 times to do it! To be out after 5 years just shows how shit the justice system is in the is country. People like that should be executed.

I wonder what was on the b side of "Come Little Rabbit"?

Let's hope Lawrence never goes to China to make a record.

Has anyone thought of Okole in this situation he had Shaikh booked in his nightclub to perform 'come little rabbit'!!

Poor old Okole will make his money back look at michael jackson his record sales sky rocketted when he died. i predict the same for the late Shaikh

Actually, having just heard that song........

I thought he had the lethal injection surely this would be quick?

PS it isnt easy to get someone sectioned unless they are a threat to themselves or someone else, he seemed harmless enough just easily led.

Nothing to say.

Except don't carry more than 50g of smack about here or they will kill you!!

so you would gladly kill another human being but me shooting a goose you brandish me a savage

but you shouldn't have shot it with darts

I was in Florida the day Ted Bundy was sent to the electric chair ..A few bars i visited had Ted Bundy burgers on the menu..

Were they nice.

Yes.
The guy had enough heroin to get thousands of slanty eyes hooked.
Fooooking stupid question if you ask me!!

just thinking is'nt this other gadgie who hacked into them american computers have a mental disorder so why is'nt the government defending his human rights,or is it because it's the americans that want him

Apparently he was just some UFO buff!!!
Shocking really.

The bloke broke the law in a country that carries the death penalty and he got caught. So they roll out the mental fkin illness excuse whilst crying about how barbaric some foreign country's laws are. I don't care if he's stark raving bonkers, he's getting the prescribed punishment for what he did and therefore the whining moaning do-good-leftie-interferingfucktards should just keep the fk out of it and let the Chinese administer the punishment that their law dictates.

Hope that helps.

Exactly!!

another thing if his family say he has mental issues what are they doing letting him travel abroad,the point i was trying to make about the hacker was how the government have back heeled his appeal about extradition even though he has mental issues but bang on about the drug smuggler's human rights with him having mental health issues,pack of two faced wankers

Ignorance is no excuse hey?

I thought the government had talked to the US about the British hacker, to try and stop his extradition?

Now there's a suprising viewpoint from you, who would have guessed!

his family had appealed to the home secretary and he dismissed it out of hand,it was on the news a few weeks back,the bloke has aspergers(spelling)his mother has been on a few programs pleading his case and also had a few experts on but the government don't want to know

billingham you are right they have stopped his extradition,it's just that i had'nt heard anything about it

Just acting as a 'Devils Advocate' here, but if she was so afraid of him that she kept a knife under her pillow, was it a good idea to have an affair with a 21 year old toyboy, and to taunt him with it.

Nail and head there Mr Fireball. I believe that Mr Thornley knows a guy who did VERY similar up yakkersville and got something like a minimum 13 stretch.



PS. The wife didn't stop me going out!

I don't beleieve iin the death penalty under any circumstances, but do believe life should mean just that. As for this case, putting aside the individual in question, maybe we're dealing with a clash of cultures worldwide and their interpretation is different to ours, who are we to impose our values? I suspect the Chinese penal system works on the principle that such sentences are there to 'encourage the others' .
I'm just glad I don't have to make those decisions.

I think that China's ruthlessness in tackling drug pushers has highlighted Britains approach to narcotics.
My regret is that we live in a country that does not possess the strength or purpose to deal with drug peddlers in a ruthless fashion.
A few facts.....
Mr Shaikh was caught with £250,000 worth of heroin in his suitcase.
In China the death penalty can be invoked against anyone carrying more than 50g of the drug.
While we embrace "celebritys" such as kate moss and protect her lucrative contracts and behave as though she were the victim China warns that anyone messing about with pushing heroin or such like could possibly face a firing squad.

Apparently Mr Shaikh was quite a dubious character.
With a record for sexual harrassment and dubious business conduct its hardly surprising.

The big problem we have in this country is that the criminals are the real victims due to social disadvantage or mental health problems and that they need support not punishment.

Thankfully the chinese have not been taken in by the liberal elite and have punished accordingly to the crime.

If only Britain was the same. I'm sure it would be a much better place to live.

Not when i'm up against you I haven't

WELL SAID!

My instincts tell me to agree with Ripper and Mr Lighting but I do feel a touch uncomfortable with this. That said the chinkies cannot be seen to let off a foreigner just because the likes of Britain tell them to. It's beyond question that he was carrying a sack full of smack and I'm not at all convinced that being bipolar makes you blind or stupid.

There are 68 offences that carry the death penalty in China, its not a place where you want to go breaking too many laws.

Chip, you either believe in capital punishment or you don't, the law cannot be selective on whim or prejudice.

I've always been anti capital punishment. For various reasons, but mainly because I believe no person has the right to take another persons life. No matter how heinous the crime, how can killing that person make things right, the state becomes no better than the criminal. If someone was to kill one of my kids, naturally I would want to kill them, but it still wouldn't be right. The only circumstance you could justify killing someone else, would be to save the life of another, or yourself.

China and the likes will not show perceived weakness to the West under any circumstances in things like this. It is to send out a message, no exceptions granted. Black and white. It's how they run their country and that is it. That is the message. We know what they will do and it's unfortunate for this individual, but that is what they will do. It's no good us discussing the details of this case - they will do this every time for everybody caught. No exceptions, no special cases.

Russia shot a passenger airliner down in 1983 because it transgressed Russian air space, despite the West claiming that the navigational instruments on the plane had gone awry (but then that's another conspiracy theory we'll never get to the bottom of). If you put ruthless regimes to the test there will be only one outcome!!!!

We cannot base a justice system on the the basis of a .... 'waste of taxpayers money'... I did say life should mean life, so no one sentenced to life would ever be released back into society anyway.
Two different crimes, two different punishments..? who's arguing? i'm not.
In my world, everyone convicted would at least be spared their life, albeit a not very nice life if I controlled the penal system, but I wouldn't dream of basing a system on the unpopularity of a crime or individual in the public eye. A legal system that is selective in such a manner wouldn't be a legal system at all.

I may be looking at this a bit simplistically but its strange the mental illness only arose when he was caught with £250,000 worth of smack. Would it not be in HIS best interest to claim to be mentally ill so to gain the sympathy of others and maybe a reprieve. Its the law if you peddle smack in China you get the death penalty. It maybe barbaric but its the law ..end of . If this prevents anyone else getting into to this situation then some good will have come of this unfortunate event.

I agree. As people have already said, the question is : what should a civilised state do about its crime and criminals? People who are just interested in barbaric punishments, without seeing the need to look beneath the surface, aren't even entering into the debate.

If ever we had a law that advocated the elimination of those deemed incapable of rehabilitation, then you have an even bigger problem. Such a law could be used by an unscrupulous party to 'eliminate' those it deems unacceptable and all quite legally... and they could then redefine the basic law to their viewpoint, the beauty from their point of view is that it isn't even their law.
You are either against capital punishment or you aren't, you can't pick n mix by stringing up a few celeb villains and letting off the ones with an appealing story, that's why it's not easy to be anti capital punishment.

It's not perfect but you have to go a long way to better the UK's system of justice and punishment. The one exception I would make is that I would put all child molesters in Holloway. Women are so much more devious and vicious.

I've thought about this issue long and hard and the difficult one of the difficult things is the one about being 100% certain. How many people have ended up in prison because the old bill fitted them up?

The other thing is that in a strange way many of these serial killer would PREFER the easy option and to be dead.. ie Shipman and Fred West to name but two that I know of.

Also how is it right for the state to murder someone?



the above quote from the famous executioner sort of sums it up whilst this from his assistant put this in perspective especially the last sentence.



So who's right and who's wrong? I don't know but I do know that I would have to think twice before pressing a button to kill anyone.