Be allowed to appear on Question Time?

yes he should, because he is going to be made to look an idiot that he is with the potential rubbish that will be contained in his answers to questions. Thus showing the party in its correct light containing a bunch of racist bigots

The BBC has to be impartial and to deny him the right to go on there will just give him more excuses to push his pathetic ideas. Let him make a complete tit of himself.

Yes - part of democracy is the supposed freedom of speech. People should be treated as adults and given opportunity to make their own minds up on what he spouts.
As the famous quote says "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

I wouldn't be surprised if some form of disruption takes place. Griffin will sit there smugly and bask in the disruption , giving him the pleasure of being able to point the finger at those who seek to silence him as being undemicratic. I'll be amazed if he says anything controversial, the whole game now is to appear reasonable, the Nazis discovered that. We now rely on an educated, polituically aware electorate to stop them getting any further, but as most people are more interested in voting for the X factor, I think we have a problem!

The BNP are legitimate political party (sadly), so they have the right to appear on Question Time.

and there in is the problem, low turn outs caused by the government's and the (normal) opposition failure to inspire people to vote allows parties like the BNP to gain ground of the % of the votes. The people who want to vote for the BNP will do so everytime as I would say 99% of them come out to vote, people who see a failure in the government of the opposition, or in wards were the outcome is "so called" a formality (like Hartlepool) cant be arsed so stay at home.

Well he used to be a member of this board so maybe we should ask him.

Aye, no doubt he will try to come across respectable. Unfortunately, during these hard times 'British jobs for British people' and fear of increased immigration will always push the right buttons for certain people.

you didn't say which one would be wearing it

The BBC are dead right on this, Voltaire and all that.

The thing is that like him or loathe him, and theres plenty who do both, they've got a million people voting for them so are entitled to have a voice on the likes of Question Time. Whether he'll be shown up as a monstrous boagy man is another moot point. Griffin is a master interviewee, he was ambushed by Adam Boulton (Sky political editor) last weekend and he came across as Mr Reasonable. I suspect the same will happen tonight and he'll end up looking like he's the target of a group of pompous bullies..

I find myself in a confused position with the BNP. I wouldn't join or vote for them but I find myself agreeing with a lot of their policies. Not the extremist nonsense which gets the headlines but some of the other maifesto promises. Either way and whatever you or I might thing, the mainstream parties and the media have given the BNP a massive shot of publicity at a time when a General Election is just round the corner.

Incidentally, I have just tried to get onto their website to get some examples of the reasonable policies that I mentioned above, I couldn't get on because the traffic to it is overwhelming their site.

I will be watching hung on more4, a much better programme.

I will be very suprised if they don't have one or two MP's after the next election.

agree with pretty much everything said above. Never been interested in politics in the slightest but im going to tune in tonight out of interest. Im also going to vote for the first time ever at the next general election. Certainly not for the BNP but im going to make a concerted effort to pay attention to everything this time round.

As has already been said, Griffin and his ilk will have their 30 seconds while times are hard and the less-intelligent sections of the electorate are looking for some sections of society to blame such as asylum seekers et al.

Whilst Griffin is a well-educated Oxbridge graduate, and must be pissing himself laughing at all the column inches his mob are getting just now, he is nowhere near clever enough to hide the fact that under the veneer of supposed respectability he has, there lies a nasty little bastard whose politics deserve to be shown up for the horrors they represent. Radio 5 has just done a phone-in with several old-school Tory voters pledging their allegiance.

If you don't like the country, f-uck off out of it!

That will be all for now.

have to agree with you there chip, people are saying "the increased popularity of the BNP is bad". They are reacting to a problem that doesnt exhist, as you say they has no influence and no real support in our country. Its all being wipped up by the media and people need to realise this. I would say if anything the levels of racism is going down in this country (i know I have no numbers to back this up but going on my own experiences), in that I mean people dont allow others to spout racist abuse and use words like "paki" etc and when I was younger about 20 years ago this was the norm.

You don't allow it?

yeah I have to say I wont just let people use words and comments like that in my presence I will confront them about why they are using them and the reasoning behind it.

So if we're sat in a pub before a Pools match and I say that I'm nipping over to the Paki shop for some fags you would want a debate about my reasoning for my choice of language. It'd be a short conversation as the reason would be no more complicated than the fact that the shop was owned / run by a Paki therefore meaning that my description would be correct.

have to agree with you there chip, people are saying "the increased popularity of the BNP is bad". They are reacting to a problem that doesnt exhist, as you say they has no influence and no real support in our country. Its all being wipped up by the media and people need to realise this. I would say if anything the levels of racism is going down in this country (i know I have no numbers to back this up but going on my own experiences), in that I mean people dont allow others to spout racist abuse and use words like "paki" etc and when I was younger about 20 years ago this was the norm.[/quote]

Fair point that Compo and ur prolly right.
Trouble is, with todays nanny state mentality and PC gone mad, it seems whites can be racially targeted, such as those soldiers by the extremists, and ethnic minorities given preference for jobs etc, whereas the opposite draws howls of protest and cries of racism - this is what the BNP are expoliting.

I'm looking forward to seeing Griffin. Question Time can be a bit too predictable, along Right/Left lines, so it hopefully it'll be jolted out of its complacency to-night.

I suppose I do think the NF ought to have a platform. If you ban one group/party, it might create a precedent to deny a platform to other groups that the 'Authorities' just happen not to like.
'Hippies at Power Stations' are clearly on borrowed time as it is.

Im not totally up to scratch with all the different areas that go into the general elections but in Spenny where I live at the last elections published the Winning party (Labour) got 1500 votes 2nd with 1200 votes was a female BNP candidate and 3rd with 900 votes was the male BNP candidate. Spennymoor, Ferryhill, Chilton, Middlestonemoor and West Cornforth will all have a big following for the BNP.

Most people on here know my views on the BNP, but the fact is they are a recognised political party within the UK.

This country is still, and hopefully will always be a democracy, and regardless of what some consider to be detesable and hateful opinions, they are still entitled to them. They have 2 seats in the European government, so an invite to Question Time (and similar programmes) was always going to happen. I dare say some members are not out and out racists (most probably are) but actually just insecure and have a fear of immigration to the UK.

Allowing the BNP onto programmes like Question Time will allow ,hopefully an open debate, which will show the BNP for what it is. You don't censor things, regardless of what they are, because you disagree with them.

You can also bet your last pound that one of Griffin's replies to Baroness Warsi, will be on the lines of..........

"I'm a duly elected member of the European government and therefore have more right to be here than you, who has never been elected".

He will put it in a way that doesnt come across as racist, but will make his point that she sits in the House of Lords, and no one voted her there.

So we have.

Brown. expenses cheat. liar and has brought the country to its knees.
Camaron. expenses cheat and a toff.
Clegg. expenses cheat no hoper.
Griffin. racist. bigot. liar.

You can keep them all for me and lets not forget the BNP motto british jobs for british people that Brown adopted not long ago and another BNP idea send the buggers back the labour goverenment have been deporting immagrants out of this country every day for the last 6 years.

Perhaps we should return to Absolute Monarchy. Was reading this morning that Prince Andrew's kid is having her flat renovated at public expense. She doesn't even have to cheat for the money......so that's obviously the way to go.

So it seems everyone is happy that the BNP should be allowed to be on QT tonight then do you agree that members of the BNP should equally be allowed to apply for certain jobs in the public sector such as the old bill?

you know fine well that the term paki is a derogatory term, used by people to lump all people decended from the middle east into a bracket. If you called a bloke from India a paki I am sure he wouldnt be impressed.

I'm not convinced it would be that short a conversation given that most corner shops in Hartlepool/England are not run by people from Pakistan.

I agree with compo here, I too dont appreciate people saying Paki and would question why they said it.
Obviously not prior to a pools match like, where I'm more concerned with a quick bevvy than having a heated debate!


I'm not politically motivated, have never voted and have little or no interest in it.
But, I will watch this tonight [for the first time ever!] cos it sounds interesting and it will mean I might join in on another politics thread on here as I might have an opinion!
I might even vote.........

Spot on that, Mr Snowy.

I agree with you about the Indian thing, Indians aren't Pakis, they're Indians. Only people from Pakistan are (quite correctly) called Pakis.

Ties in perfectly with what the fat, pontoon eyed, bigotted silly boy has said to his supporters on his website....

'Question Time is scheduled for 10.35pm tonight and will be a milestone in the indomitable march of the British National Party towards saving our country.

Our violent opponents on the far left have promised to lay siege and barricade the studio venue, because they know only too well that this could be THE key moment that propels the BNP into the big time.

Never before have we had the chance to present our patriotic, common sense solutions to Britain’s nightmare situation to the public at large in such a prominent fashion.

However, members and supporters must be aware that this show will be a stage-managed farce organised in a specific way to leave several impressions:

– The audience will be hand-picked and overtly hostile — thus giving the impression that the British people at large must be hostile to BNP views.

– The panellists will be overtly hostile; even the non-political guests will be hostile. Everyone will be hostile — this will leave the impression to non-informed viewers that BNP views have minority status.

– I will, no doubt, be interrupted, shouted down, slandered, put on the spot, and subjected to a scrutiny that would be a thousand times more intense than anything directed at other panellists.

It will, in other words, be political blood sport.

But I am relishing this opportunity, and I know that, despite the stage-managed hostile audience and panellists, YOU, the ordinary members, supporters and voters of the BNP, will be in the studio with me as I take on the corrupt, treacherous swine destroying our beautiful island nation'

No, to the second question.
I think it's complicated. As the bod on the BBC said, if the Govt/Parliament want to ban the BNP, then they should do that. As they haven't banned the Party, it's not really open to the BBC to refuse Griffin an airing.

On the other hand, if a worker thinks it's right to discriminate against certain sectors of society, s/he might be expected to actively discriminate if in a position to do so. Therefore s/he should as a precaution be banned from any position of authority.

I see what you're saying but it seems very strange they're allowed to be our MP but not work in certain roles in the community.

I'd rather listen to peter griffin on question time.

But what will you be watching whilst Question Time is on?

Hung

I accept that 'Paki' is a derogatory term but as it's short for Pakistani, does that mean we should be offended if someone calls us a 'Brit' as that's short for British.

But they're not on at the same time.

Spot on that comment.
That's the way I think but due to this PC culture it's difficult to go out in public and ask that question (in my opinion).

How do you know when i'll be watching hung?

I have v plus sunshine, so i control the times things are on tv.

It's like i'm god!!

You wouldn't get that control with a dodgey box would you..... OO?!

I wonder how many BNP members go for a kebab after a night out or have an Asian GP.

Exactly.

That silly OO can't pause and rewind live tv.

He can not record full tv series at the touch of a button.

My v plus box is actually just full of bloody dora and peppa pig and i only pause tv when i need a piss.

I dispute that. In my opinion it is only a derogatory term if used in generalisation for all people from that region.

I suppose if we lived in a consistent world we wouldn't be human.....

I agree it's a hopeless muddle. When you think of it, the two things relate to the same principle, ie. everyone has the right not to be discriminated against, therefore everyone has the right to become an MP.

The Govt just hasn't yet had the guts to say that everyone has the right to be an MP unless their intention in standing is to discriminate aginst others.

I thought that he was from Bolton?

Are you suggesting that we should classify everybody by their ethnic origin regardless of where they were born?

Here, what's it gorra do with me?

Am still yet to be convinced on this.

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and in any event they would need at least 100 mps to have any kind of influence, and that will never happen in our lifetime.

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A very dangerous assumption