I've just walked past 5 lads about 18- 22 years old, each in the possession of at least one bottle of white lightning pissed out their heads and generally causing a nuisance with degoratory remarks to passers by.

This government of ours looks on idly as these twats lounge about getting pissed, collecting their jobseekers and income support, knocking out illegitimate kids and terrorising neighbourhoods.

Why don't we send the foookers to Afghanistan
There's young decent lads out there fighting for a country which i'm not proud to be part of anymore and being blown to bits while these work shy scroungers do fook all

Bring in National Service, but first and foremost for all those who haven't done a days work for 12 months and send them to Afghanistan.

Bastid lazy drunken scabby foookers

I wouldn't too pleased if I was a member of HM Services and had a load of pikeys and smackheads serving along side me, would you?

99% of the country would agree with that. Unfortunately it wont happen.

The deadbeats should be sent over there and asked to clear minefields. Each time one of them succesfully ventures accross the field he is rewarded with a greggs pasty.

But they wont will they, they daren't the civil libs/human rights will be on their back

Regimental colours; burberry , regimental moto; "whatever".

what about legitimate people who want to work and cant find a job?

They are usually looking for jobs and not sitting drinking white lightning?

the point I was making is the towards the comments made regarding people out of work for long periods of time on the dole. I have mates who have been made redundant and been looking for jobs for well over 5 months or people out of Uni who cant get a graduate job.

Should these be all put in the bracket and shipped of to war, or do they have to do a quiz and if you cant recognise the label off the white lightning or the latest design of rockport shoes your ok.

My post was aimed at the type who dont want to work and prefer to spend their days getting pissed and knocking out illigitimate kids.
There doesn't need to be a form to identify these. If you dont know the type i'm referring to then you need to get out more.

I know exactly what type you are on about but blanket saying that people who are not working should be shipped of to war is wrong and cant be done as a cut off must be made somewhere.

Now the area I do agree with you is we should have national service I would have quiet enjoyed this and happly done it as it shows you discipline and grounds you for the rest of your life, (have to say people who go to uni etc should be exempt but while during studies should all be made to be in the OTC) we wouldn’t have half the problems we have no if this were the case.

National service for the masses is a bit too Daily Mail for me and personal discipline shouldn't depend on being institutionalised for a couple of years or so.

The other things is that it's bandied around as the panacea for scummy behaviour with no thought of how much it'd cost. I know money gets thrown around like but compulsory employment of around 5million late teens early twenties would bankrupt the tax payers and the country.

I certainly wouldn't vote for it if it was included in one of the manifestos

Sterilisation ! A bit Third Reich I know, but hey , if you want your nation back !!!!!

Unknown to me i was fishing at the exact spot were some young punks had thrown a motorbike off a jetty the previous night..The B'strds lost me two weights and two packs of feathers ..

did you get it out and on your cart though?

I did cross my mind ..

Why aren't you proud to be part of this country anymore? I think this countrys fine thanks. Despite obvious flaws, we live in one of the most tolerant fairest places in the world. Its not fashionable to disagree with the rabid Daily Mail-esque criticism of out political, legal and economic systems, but in an imperfect world they are equal to, or better than pretty much anywhere else.
Our armed forces, our health system, our media, our music, our sense of humour, our history are all loved and envied in equal measure all over the globe. I could go on but I shant.
Whinging poms. They got that right.

I would much rather carry on living in this country, than say for example, Kev's Oriental Paradise.

Each to his own Mr B. There is little trouble with the youth here as they are in school for up to ten hours a day and education is everything to them. Their spare time is taken up with homework and they're that way until they're 19, when the vast majority go on to Uni. We're almost graffiti free for example.

Maybe the fact that the Chinese won't import much Hollywood 'real life drama' has something to do with it. They do however like James Bond.

Maybe that is one of the main problems?

Discuss...

Yes, but it cured your cough

This is the country of my birth, though I thoroughly intend it won't be the country of my (eventual) death. Not for me the governments pitiful abuse of the elderly.....I shall live out my twilight years in Portugal or Israel.

so what would your rather do then if you had your way, chop of peoples hands for theft, hang everyone who commits a crime what?

Yes I would chop people hands off for theft, also cut peoples balls off for rape. And yes, if undeniable murder then hanging would be fine by me.

Yes, I would gorge their eyes out and cut off their ears. That'd serve them right

and what about miscarrages of justice are you prepaired to let a few slip through the net. Also the hangman or person giving the leathal injection what would happen to him/she as they would be classed as a murderer but is that ok beacuse its their "job"

oh and by the way I am not a liberal just wanted to know peoples opinions on my questions as I can never seem to answer them two myself.

I am also not a libra i'm a leo as i was born in august.

its simple for me. Anyone causing shit is given an asbo. If they break their asbo then they get given a 8 week 'sentence' in an army style camp (length of time is flexible) where they are taught values and discipline, and made to work for their dole (basically a compulsory bad lads army type thing). Then after, if they are caught doing stuff they shouldnt again then send the fuckers to prison and chop their cocks off.

There would be no miscarriages of justice!! This isn't the 40's or 50's. With DNA and other scientific ways and means of proving guilt and innocence people would be punished accordingly.
As for pulling the trigger i'm sure there wouldn't be a shortage of people to volunteer, lets say with a pay scale of 50k a year to start.
And how would they be classed as a murderer Albert Pierrpoint wasn't!!

Sadly I have to say, as a teacher, the education system and levels of teaching are a major factor here. I've worked in some real "sink schools" in inner city areas and have found kids a joy to work with. However you also have a large number of bad teachers (as well as untrained helpers) who are in the teaching game for the money.

Example; Before settling down where Iam now (lovely primary where the students stand up when an adult enters the room)I taught in the good,the bad and the ugly schools around the East Midlands. Wherever I went I had the kids buzzing about their learning...basically I believe in exciting and charismatic teaching. I would have kids shouting down corridors "Got you tomorrow sir, can't wait" ! However there would always be a bad teacher around , without this sort of rapport with kids, who would stab you in the back.
I played a key role in one school's OFSTED inspection once,got called to the heads office to present my YR9 history books to the head of the inspection team. In front of the head she classed the books as level A with aspects of A-Level. She looked at the kids English results on the computer and found the kids at a level E to D ! In other words , I was good but the head was bad! The knife was thrust in after the inspectors left. I walked into the heads office ,called him a Facist and walked.
Bad teaching is switching kids off in schools.

Can I just say with regard to miscarriages of justice you dont know what your on about, only last week a body was exhumed to find out DNA evidence that was potenitally a killer of a young girl that previously a man had been wrongly convicted off (in your crime world he would have been hanged).

People think that DNA is the be all and end all of policing when in fact it just isnt.

The point I was on about with regard to hangmen etc would be that whats the difference between a person who kills a bloke becasue he was found shagging his wife and the person who pulls the lever or kicks the stool away, you could argue that the bloke killing his wife shagging partner was a crime of passion and not pre-meditated and the hang man killing is pre-meditated.

As you have just pointed out, DNA proved the wrong man had been arrested!!
Also, ok, we'll put them up against a wall, give ten soldiers a gun each with a bullet in only nine of them.
Next please.

I know but I wish it'd stop happening in public.

'scuse me ladies...

Yes but this was about 10 years after the wrong man had been convicted what you ment to say to his family when its been proved he didnt commit the crime and he has been hung

I wonder how lightning tree would react if he was wrong convicted of rape or murder and they said "stand him up against a wall and let's just shoot him"

Funny i bet his opinion would change then...

exactly mate its like all these animal protesters saying drugs etc shouldnt be tested on animals but I bet everyone of them take asprin and paracetemol. Also how would they feel if they or a close friend or relative got altzheimers etc

Yes but times have changed. what's been done in the past cannot be undone, its happened and thats it. What we need to do is make sure the assailant is 100% guilty then shoot the bounder.

You clearly have no knowledge of police work or evidence, there is only one form of any police evidence that gives 100% accurancy and thats footwear impressions due to the nature of patterns and individual characteristics (ie nicks and scratches) people have on their soles.

This only proves that the shoe in question was at the crime and doesnt say who was wearing it. Its the collection of evidence DNA, fingerprints etc that leads a jury to make a decision based on the likelyhood that the person commited the offence. This as proved in a very small amount of cases can be wrong. (look at OJ simpson).

Simpily saying times have changed and whats in the past has happened is all well and good but it could happen again and I for one dont want anyone to be killed with the potential that he may be innocent.

Like i said above tree, what if it's you, or your son, or daughter, and you know there not 100% guilty but they have been declared it by a judge or whatever.

Would you still agree to the shooting?

To go back to the beginning, being sent to Afghanistan might be a bit controversial, but I can't see why people can't be given some sort of community work to do, in return for benefits. They might even enjoy it.

Also can I say with regard to juries as well they can be very easily swayed and only listen to certain things in court that they believe due to media are "important" ie certain forensic evidence etc and dont listen to all the facts. I have been in court loads of times and you can see them not paying much attention to eye witness sightings etc showing people at the sceen but when the expert witness (probably a Reporting Officer for the Forensic Science Service etc) they pick up

Look, the countrys in a mess because of benefits, alchohol and drugs, I dont think miscarriage of justice is a big thing at the moment, well, it doesn't concern me as much as youths full of alchohol and drugs going on the rampage and assualting innocent people. However, I do agree miscarriage of justice especially when a person spends a lot of time in Jail or even executed is bloody awful and this needs to be adressed so that it never happens again.

I think 3 strikes then out would be my preferred option, after the third time of offence say for theft, chop off a finger, then a finger each time and so on.
They'd soon learn.

There was a brilliant article in the Daily Mail the other day about parent and people perception of the world we live in and the fact everyone is so scared all the time. I can honestly say if I was walking around Hartlepool or Huntingdon at night I wouldnt be bothered by anyone at all.

Yes there is always going to be crime there was 40 years ago and nothing is going to change that but the media now pump us full of fear that everyone is scared, young people are demonised by the hoodie campain and all older people think they all have knifes when in face nearly everyone I have met who is a youth are generally good crack. Parents dont let their kids out anymore scared that every bloke out there is a paedo oh and dont for get the traffic and them mad level crossings as well as drink drivers.

No they wouldn't learn

Capital punishment didn't stop people killing, chopping a finger off a smackhead won't stop an armed robber and so on and so forth

And what about people who accidentaly loose a finger in a horrible event, they would be demonised as a theif. Why not make christians all wear crosses, the jews stars and the muslims cresent moons oh wait a nutter already tried that in Germany once.

A contradiction in terms, surely?

Possibly a juxtaposition of opposing concepts.