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Rumour has it the administrator has sacked the admin staff and locked the gates(allegedly).game against the Boro' has been cancelled, as money is needed to keep the club going(allegedly). The administrator is in charge of the gate receipts raised from the Newcastle and Sunderland games(allegedly)

Story to be in Northern echo tomorrow piece on their site now.

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/4 ... _continue/

Darlington confirm boro game is cancelled, put down to injuries
http://www.darlington-fc.net/page/NewsD ... 23,00.html

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The rumours continue, they now reached the stage that our friends down the road will face a 15 point deduction.

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The rumours continue, they now reached the stage that our friends down the road will face a 15 point deduction.


They were always going to get a points deduction. If they didn't other clubs who have in previous seasons would have plenty to say.

That will be a good ground in the Blue Square Premier.


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I just don't get whats going on at Darlo ...

They owe people everywhere money but the way some of their fans are going on it is all the fault of the administrators. Why hasn't this Raj Singh took over yet ? He is taking his time.

And in all honesty, it's sadly - probably only a matter of time before they go bust anyway isn't it? Unless they can find someone to bank roll them..... Which they probably won't....


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The rumours continue, they now reached the stage that our friends down the road will face a 15 point deduction.


They were always going to get a points deduction. If they didn't other clubs who have in previous seasons would have plenty to say.

That will be a good ground in the Blue Square Premier.


Did they not get points deducted last season? Why would they get points deducted again this season?

I must admit, I don't have a clue what determines how many points deductions clubs get (e.g. did Southampton not get points deducted last season AND this season? sctatchinghead ), but what have the Loids done (or not done) to get another deduction?

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Did they not get points deducted last season? Why would they get points deducted again this season?

I must admit, I don't have a clue what determines how many points deductions clubs get (e.g. did Southampton not get points deducted last season AND this season? sctatchinghead ), but what have the Loids done (or not done) to get another deduction?


You would get an initial ten point deduction for entering administration, and a further deduction for failing to exit administration by means of a CVA. The season to which those initial deductions apply depend on the timing of entering admin.


So Southampton haven't come out of Administration via a CVA and nor will Darlo?

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i thought Darlo had came out of the CVA properly sctatchinghead

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The only solution is to go completely bust, leave the ground and start afresh. Probably in the Northern League or whatever level is determined by the authorities.

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So Southampton haven't come out of Administration via a CVA and nor will Darlo?


Southampton's points deduction is the initial one (for entering administration). It applies to 2009/10 rather than 2008/09 because they went into admin after a certain point last season. They were not deducted points last season.

As far as I understand it, Darlington agreed a CVA with their main creditors but that could still be contested by other creditors. Any such challenge (and HMRC always challenge) will delay the process of leaving administration. I think that was Leeds' problem, and the reason they took a 15 point hit despite agreeing a CVA


My belief is that Southampton's point deduction takes place next season, not because they entered administration after a certain date, but, because even with the points deducted last season then they would have still been relegated, so the point deduction is "suspended" until the next season.

Darlington's 10 point deduction was put into force immediately due to them entering administration prior to the "closing date" for the season in progress.

Stockport,if my memory serves me right went into administration after Southampton, and their 10 points were deducted with immediate effect because it did not affect any relegation position.

With regards to CVA and coming out of administration correct,I'm not sure how that works, but all football debts have to paid in full, that includes player's wages which have been deferred, meaning Austin(and other's) can actually vote against any CVA as a creditor(I think that's right.Micheal Proctor could have not voted against Rotherham for wages owed him, but voted to accept a certain amount in £.

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Didnt Proctor agree a figure so Rotherham didnt get the points deducted therefore pools got relegated and Rotherham were safe by 7points or so?


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Spot on, Bob. I was being over-simplistic.

Essentially there are three periods in which a club can enter administration

a) on or before the designated cutoff date (late March)
b) after the season finishes
c) after the cutoff date but before season ends

The first two cases are straightforward and would lead to a deduction in the current season or the next season respectively. If you enter admin during the time described in (c) then the season in which you would deducted points would be determined by whether or not you would be relegated without any deduction. If you would be relegated without a deduction then that deduction is deferred until the next season. If you survive without a deduction then the ten point penalty is immediate, whether that deduction relegates you or not


Rightio.

What I couldn't understand is that I definitely saw tables last season where Soton had 10 points deducted. They must have got the 10 points back when they were adrift even without the deduction.

Now, why are the Loids getting a further deduction? They are not entering a CVA?

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Darlo Pete says there's been 3,500 threads discussing the matter of administration on the Darlo board .... . .Its still not clear whats going on sctatchinghead


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 Post subject: Re: more trouble down the A66
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Now, why are the Loids getting a further deduction? They are not entering a CVA?


No, they are not coming out of it in the correct manner. If they do, there'll be no points deduction but it's almost impossible to be skint and pay everyone. :wink:

No-ones going to walk in and pay someone else's debts.


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The way I understand it is that we've been punished for entering administration by getting -10 last season. The CVA has been agreed and there have been no objections or appeals and we're all set to exit the CVA correctly so they can't further punish us for that.

It is thought that the FA may hand us a points deduction, maybe for entering admin twice or something they make up because they can. The FA's meeting to approve everything is not until after the season starts, they may "do a deal" with us (in exchange for a points deduction) to bring that meeting forward so they can transfer our "golden share" back enabling us to start the season. Just a possibility, I don't know

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The way I understand it is that we've been punished for entering administration by getting -10 last season. The CVA has been agreed and there have been no objections or appeals and we're all set to exit the CVA correctly so they can't further punish us for that.

It is thought that the FA may hand us a points deduction, maybe for entering admin twice or something they make up because they can. The FA's meeting to approve everything is not until after the season starts, they may "do a deal" with us (in exchange for a points deduction) to bring that meeting forward so they can transfer our "golden share" back enabling us to start the season. Just a possibility, I don't know


Why would the FA make up decisions just to punish Darlo, you make it sound like a conspiracy (like Leeds did) you have broke the rules and made your bed now lie in it.

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The way I understand it is that we've been punished for entering administration by getting -10 last season. The CVA has been agreed and there have been no objections or appeals and we're all set to exit the CVA correctly so they can't further punish us for that.

It is thought that the FA may hand us a points deduction, maybe for entering admin twice or something they make up because they can. The FA's meeting to approve everything is not until after the season starts, they may "do a deal" with us (in exchange for a points deduction) to bring that meeting forward so they can transfer our "golden share" back enabling us to start the season. Just a possibility, I don't know


Why would the FA make up decisions just to punish Darlo, you make it sound like a conspiracy (like Leeds did) you have broke the rules and made your bed now lie in it.


Well we'll find out soon enough, really we shouldn't have any more punishment, we've taken our 10 point hit which couldn't have hurt more really. Whether the FA use their "discretion" to apply more deductions is up to them and there's nowt we can do about it

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The way I understand it is that we've been punished for entering administration by getting -10 last season. The CVA has been agreed and there have been no objections or appeals and we're all set to exit the CVA correctly so they can't further punish us for that.

It is thought that the FA may hand us a points deduction, maybe for entering admin twice or something they make up because they can. The FA's meeting to approve everything is not until after the season starts, they may "do a deal" with us (in exchange for a points deduction) to bring that meeting forward so they can transfer our "golden share" back enabling us to start the season. Just a possibility, I don't know


Why would the FA make up decisions just to punish Darlo, you make it sound like a conspiracy (like Leeds did) you have broke the rules and made your bed now lie in it.


Well we'll find out soon enough, really we shouldn't have any more punishment, we've taken our 10 point hit which couldn't have hurt more really. Whether the FA use their "discretion" to apply more deductions is up to them and there's nowt we can do about it


Darlo could and should be punished a lot heavier than just one -10 deduction. Darlo were signing player after player that they couldn't afford, these players affected other teams seasons when you were beating them. Also the amounnt that Darlo offered to pay the people they owe is embarrassing andit isn't the first time.....


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Well we'll find out soon enough, really we shouldn't have any more punishment, we've taken our 10 point hit which couldn't have hurt more really. Whether the FA use their "discretion" to apply more deductions is up to them and there's nowt we can do about it

Have you reached the end of the cooling-off period yet? If you haven't then you should expect a challenge from HMRC, and they are likely to leave it as late as possible to do so. That would result in a court case, which would inevitably be well after the new season starts. So the administrators would abandon the CVA and the club would take the additional points penalty in order to get the golden share and begin the season.

That's how I understand it anyway, from reading what's happened with Leeds, Stockport etc.


The cooling off period, that's the 28 days after the CVA being agreed which people can challenge it isn't it? If so then that's passed without challenge. I don't believe we owed HMRC anything or very little anyway.

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70% done is still not done though, we know that with some of our potential signings

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thread would make the baby jesus cry imho. :roll:



But it doesn't take much to make a baby cry. sctatchinghead

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Well we'll find out soon enough, really we shouldn't have any more punishment, we've taken our 10 point hit which couldn't have hurt more really. Whether the FA use their "discretion" to apply more deductions is up to them and there's nowt we can do about it


Darlo could and should be punished a lot heavier than just one -10 deduction. Darlo were signing player after player that they couldn't afford, these players affected other teams seasons when you were beating them. Also the amounnt that Darlo offered to pay the people they owe is embarrassing andit isn't the first time.....


But is not the points deduction they had last season the punishment for buying players they couldn't afford?

The fact that they've been in Administration before is irrelevant, is it not? It's not the same person(s) who have forced them to go into Administration twice.

The only people a further deduction would be punishing for going into Administration twice would be the new owner and the fans, who, as far as I'm aware, are not responsible for the club going into Administration.

I know it's Darlo, but it could be Pools, and I'd prefer punishments to be morally fair and within already established rules, rather than somebody dishing out arbitrary judgements, which your suggestions seem to be.

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Can't we sob please sob, be just left in peace...Haven't we suffered enough . therethere


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Can't we sob please sob, be just left in peace...Haven't we suffered enough . therethere


whats good for the goose is good for the gander, "premiership in 5 years"

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Can't we sob please sob, be just left in peace...Haven't we suffered enough . therethere


No

We did give back a 100k from the Mags and Mackems games .. :roll: :roll: :roll:


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Can't we sob please sob, be just left in peace...Haven't we suffered enough . therethere


No

We did give back a 100k from the Mags and Mackems games .. :roll: :roll: :roll:


I don't think you gave it back, more of a case of had it taken off you. :grin:

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Can't we sob please sob, be just left in peace...Haven't we suffered enough . therethere



Haven't enough local companies suffered enough?

I hope the 'Loids fold, there is only so many rabbits you can pull out the hat, so to speak


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Just admit it Talbot .You don't give a stuff about our local companies going bust..You just want the club booted out the league..


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Just admit it Talbot .You don't give a stuff about our local companies going bust..You just want the club booted out the league..



50/50 really

The 'Loids have shafted so many local companies now it's beyond a joke

Me & Mutley are ready to dance down York Road when you go belly up

Sorry if that is 'negative' or 'spoiling' the thread, but the 'Loids are finished and I don't care


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50/50 really

The 'Loids have shafted so many local companies now it's beyond a joke

Me & Mutley are ready to dance down York Road when you go belly up

Sorry if that is 'negative' or 'spoiling' the thread, but the 'Loids are finished and I don't care


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Just admit it Talbot .You don't give a stuff about our local companies going bust..You just want the club booted out the league..



50/50 really

The 'Loids have shafted so many local companies now it's beyond a joke

Me & Mutley are ready to dance down York Road when you go belly up

Sorry if that is 'negative' or 'spoiling' the thread, but the 'Loids are finished and I don't care

Mutley is your dancing partner ? :uhoh: bbolt


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Just admit it Talbot .You don't give a stuff about our local companies going bust..You just want the club booted out the league..



50/50 really

The 'Loids have shafted so many local companies now it's beyond a joke

Me & Mutley are ready to dance down York Road when you go belly up

Sorry if that is 'negative' or 'spoiling' the thread, but the 'Loids are finished and I don't care

Mutley is your dancing partner ? :uhoh: bbolt


When the 'Loids fold he will be, Christ I'd even do a rumba with David Cameron!


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