the daily sport has some very good articles

Well, sort of. I get it every day and still think it's probably the best paper...the odd time I try another national, it's either more biased or more boring than the Grauniad (often both).

On the other hand, when I started reading it, there was no question of it being middle class. There is now. And it's often very 'establishment'.

For example in the field of orthodox medicine v. 'alternative' therapies, they've more or less been running a campaign in favour of the former. Even Nick Cohen, who's supposed to be a political journo, has written stuff in favour of the 'Big Guns' in medicine, and from a position which has no relation on the facts.
They'd never have done that 20 years ago.

I can't stand Bond films
I wish they'd shot the 'lovely lovely person' the first time they captured him in film number one, saved everyone the bother
Never seen Britannia High though

The thing is with the Guardian is that it isn't user friendly to read - it would takwe you a whole day just to read the Sunday edition. And the price of buying it every day doesn't help much either, particularly in these difficult economic times.

Even though you could read the articles on the Web.

But reading that broadsheet every day to me isn't practical. That's why I read the BBC News website.

Jesus fucking Christ.

Reggie Perrin remake is good? You couldn't get into Conchords? You think BBC4 is boring? You slightly defended your watching of BBC3 (which, aside from reruns of Family Guy, is absolute gash)?

Perhaps the worst thing is citing a minimal cover price for a proper newspaper (i.e. proper news!) as tough to buy in the current economic crisis? As a fucking student?

E-gads. I work and I can afford that paper. I pay for accommodation and earn my wage. Judging by your low grasp of reality, I don't think you realise just how little you're affected compared to everyone else in the recession.

And you don't like Charlie Brooker, who is one of the funniest and most insightful people in the media/country. Just because he slated Britannia High. That says it all, really.



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I didn't say that BBC4 was boring.

I don't watch BBC3 all the time.

I didn't say that I didn't find Charlie Brooker funny just because he slated Britannia High.
I can usually tell within the first minute whether I will like someone's sense of humour - within the first minute of watching that clip, I began to hate Brooker's sense of humour.

To me, he is neither funny or insightful.

You're clearly the biggest fooking idiot on this board.

I genuinely don't think it's an issue of opinion here - if you watch a couple of episodes of Screenwipe, Newswipe or read several of his columns, to deny he's insightful is a massive denial of the truth, whether you agree with his stances or not.

I honestly thought you were intelligent. You've clearly pulled the rug from underneath your own feet, given that Ian Hislop - the man behind the concept of modern-day political satire - clearly said he's the most intelligent man he's had on HIGNFY.

Epic fail, PoK. Epic fail.

I also liked how you glossed over your hilariously short-sighted opinion on the Guardian's cover price in its relationship to the credit crunch, you clichéd buffoon

I am intelligent, GP, I just think that there are other ways of giving being constructively critical without going about it with totally the wrong attitude.

I have never read the Guardian. FACT.

Trust me. You're better off that way.

Now, The Times has the odd good article here and there, but only an odd article.

The correct attitude means that you must evaluate the sources properly before you can pass comment. You haven't. There's no point in trying the moral high-ground when you have such a strange grasp on reality.

I still think your current economic downturn comment is fooking hilarious - who the fuck are you trying to kid with such a comment? Repossessions everywhere, pensions falling apart (Dairy Crest, Barclays and a number of others have pretty much axed theirs completely), savings nullified by low interest rates and you're a student who's complaining about the purchase of a solid newspaper for under a quid?

Sweet Jesus. No amount of eye-rolling will help you escape that mountain of bullshit

Well, if you think about what you could buy foodwise with the weekly cost of buying a Guardian newspaper - a couple of pints of milk and bread, particularly high during these economically difficult times, when you could read all the articles in the Guardian on their website and save £4/5 to put aside for a rainy day, then that amount of money can go a long way.

You've got to be on some sort of wind up!!

Oh fuck off, who are you, Howard from the Halifax?

I've written financial, property and pensions news for the last year. You've boiled down the entire situation to the most base terms. I'm living on a wage that's little compensation for the amount of work I do, like hundreds and thousands of other people in this country. I have to think about rent, food, travel and absolutely everything in between. You get money given to you and I presume you live at home during the summers. I was in that position and it's a bloody privilege, especially now. Rainy day fund? You don't even drink or smoke - you must be swimming in it compared to most.

There isn't a single person I can think of who genuinely spends every pound of every day wisely, though some newspapers are genuinely like that - maybe you should see newspapers as an investment into your future and read the news regularly, you might actually learn something about the credit crisis instead of the same tired bollocks.

If you're not doing this entire thing as a joke, I worry for the next generation. My generation's already bad enough.

If you are, then fair play. That'd be the only time when I'll credit your intelligence, instead of seeing you as a (probably unknowingly) condescending tool trying to dish out financial advice from a position of absolutely no authority to someone who was struggling enough before the recession.

Firstly, I acknowledge that compared to some people, I might be fairly well off and I might not realise that.

Secondly, I do read a lot about what's going on as well, so I don't feel any different about what's going on after reading something different.

Thought you give advice like you're Mervyn King.

You still haven't largely addressed major areas of all the things I've said in this thread so I'm just gonna call time on it. I know I'm right.

Brought a smile to my face seeing reading the Grauniad used as an insult - quality. Then I saw it was POK and it demeaned the whole insult. I used to read it a lot but its difficult getting it here.I read it whenever I am away from the island. The wife was in hospital, Glasgow, for a week in january and I got it every day and was totally impressed with the quality of journalism and lack of sh1te in it. Dont think I could stick it every day as there is a middle-class, Islington, public sector slant that fecks you off after a bit - but for news reporting and comment - top notch.

Oh POK - there a really good quote from I think Oscar Wilde but I could be wrong. It involves being really quiet and saying nothing rather than speaking and looking like a tVVat. Look it up, and think about it while ...

I didn't mean to speak as if I was Mervyn King.

Giga - I appreciate the advice, but if nobody spoke up for themselves, this message board would be nothing, I tell you.

Its Gigha - just copy it from the username ...

We all speak up for ourselves.

So POK thinks he is a darts player now

The thought(s) of Chairman POK ... it has a certain ring to it.

I've got him on ignore and I feel like this.... what planet does the fu-cker inhabit?

I think this is that very good piece of advice that you were thinking of Gigha.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln
16th president of US (1809 - 1865)

Thats the one, thanks BP.

Here is a better on for you PoK.

"Dont be a tosser all your life" - Compo

Nil illegitimi carborundum, PoK.

haha, class!!!

I'd rather read Kent's weird take on the world than Racist bullshit.
Keep it up Kent you mental fooker!!!!

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Salty.

... read this carefully, it's not what it seems.

yer dirty cow!!

Wecome to the grumpy old gits club GP

I've just giggled for ten minutes reading this thread. In this depressed world we inhabit, thank god for POK.

concurring.

concurring again.

The world is as only as depressing as you think it is.

I'm genuinely honoured to be a member.

We're on about the real world here, though.

To be fair, I'd love to live there.

I like Ermintrude's comment of "I'm going to Middlesbrough" in the 1972 film. Bloody brilliant.

How about this one Compo?

Jackpot some brilliant insights into POK mind on this one had me laughing re-reading it:

"put your money you were going to use to buy a paper in a tin for a rainy day"