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 Post subject: Kiegan Parker
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:35 pm 
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Can't believe some of you have rated him as one of our better players yesterday! He has to be one of the laziest, 'couldn't give a toss' players that I've ever seen pull on a Pools shirt. He runs about the field like he is having a kick about with his mates, does half the running of Boydy with about 99% less skill, and seems to sometimes avoid getting into a position where the ball can be played to him. In fact the only thing he seems to be able to do is win free kicks and penalties (presumably because he can't be arsed to go after the ball).

I wanted to wait a few games before passing judgement on him, but I'm infuriated after yesterday. He is not the player we need in our predicament. Yes the defence were poor; but to see a player on that field playing completely without heart like he does is criminal. You can see that it's a complete irrelevance to him whether we stay up or not.

I'm not one of the ones who was booing him yesterday (don't believe in doing it during the game), but on behalf of 90% of the Town End: THE FEELING IS FOOKING MUTUAL

I'd rather have Parker from the Thunderbirds up front.

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I'd rather have Parker from the Thunderbirds up front.


rolfl But who is Lady Penelope, we dont have Tommy Butler anymore.

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I,m not joking here i would rather have Foley than him.

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 Post subject: Re: Kiegan Parker
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He was as bad on saturday as he was yesterday. Shame really as you can see he has still got some ability but just doesnt seem to give a feck.

I thought Nardiello looked alot better yesterday and to an extent on Saturday aswell. Hopefully he stays fit now.


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He was lucky to be on the pitch yesterday after his off the ball trip of Byrne (I think it was) in the first half. If the Linesman or Ref had seen it he'd have been off. That said, the linesman on the Millhouse side couldn't see anything apart from offsides, some of which weren't!! Clueless tw@t!!

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He was lucky to be on the pitch yesterday after his off the ball trip of Byrne (I think it was) in the first half. If the Linesman or Ref had seen it he'd have been off. That said, the linesman on the Millhouse side couldn't see anything apart from offsides, some of which weren't!! Clueless tw@t!!


i liked the fact that parker kicked him off the ball. the bloke wanted a good kicking. ugly c***.


Something I agree with you on Mr Fireball. :wink:

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I,m not joking here i would rather have Foley than him.


Foley's league record is 21 starts, 75 as sub and no goals. I'd like to know how many of those he's actually played as a striker. I think his reserve team goal-scoring stats are much more respectable (purely statistically) but I just can't see him making more of an impact than Parker.

Foley is fairly representative of the team as a whole - the potential is there, but when it comes down to it, they are both just not good enough.

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chip fireball wrote:
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He was lucky to be on the pitch yesterday after his off the ball trip of Byrne (I think it was) in the first half. If the Linesman or Ref had seen it he'd have been off. That said, the linesman on the Millhouse side couldn't see anything apart from offsides, some of which weren't!! Clueless tw@t!!


i liked the fact that parker kicked him off the ball. the bloke wanted a good kicking. ugly c***.


I agree to some extent, he was an ugly c***, and a niggly b*****d, but I'd rather avoid risking going down to 10 men!!
We could do with some niggly b*****ds ourselves mind!!

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 Post subject: Re: Kiegan Parker
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:12 pm 
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chip fireball wrote:
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He was lucky to be on the pitch yesterday after his off the ball trip of Byrne (I think it was) in the first half. If the Linesman or Ref had seen it he'd have been off. That said, the linesman on the Millhouse side couldn't see anything apart from offsides, some of which weren't!! Clueless tw@t!!


i liked the fact that parker kicked him off the ball. the bloke wanted a good kicking. ugly c***.


I agree to some extent, he was an ugly c***, and a niggly b*****d, but I'd rather avoid risking going down to 10 men!!
We could do with some niggly b*****ds ourselves mind!!


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 Post subject: Re: Kiegan Parker
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:03 pm 
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He was lucky to be on the pitch yesterday after his off the ball trip of Byrne (I think it was) in the first half. If the Linesman or Ref had seen it he'd have been off. That said, the linesman on the Millhouse side couldn't see anything apart from offsides, some of which weren't!! Clueless tw@t!!


Give over, sent off!! Plus the referee did see it (for once in the game) he gave a free kick. If people are going to start getting sent off for that the players may as well start wearing tutu's.

If I'd have been getting the level of abuse Parker was from some 'supporters' in the Town End yesterday, I'd have reacted like he did. Just what is the point in calling someone in a Pools shirt 'a wanker' 'a 'lovely lovely person'' and 'a prick' just three words of encouragement I heard aimed towards him, I sit in the Cyril Knowles and I could hear the vitriol so I'm sure he could hear it. He's only human, is he expected just to take it?


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Not sure we're talking about the same incident PJ, Ref was nowhere near and facing the other way.

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 Post subject: Re: Kiegan Parker
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mouldy old dough wrote:
I,m not joking here i would rather have Foley than him.


Foley's league record is 21 starts, 75 as sub and no goals. I'd like to know how many of those he's actually played as a striker. I think his reserve team goal-scoring stats are much more respectable (purely statistically) but I just can't see him making more of an impact than Parker.

Foley is fairly representative of the team as a whole - the potential is there, but when it comes down to it, they are both just not good enough.


i reckon he has probably started up front about 4 times. I don't think that Foley has been given a fair chance up front. i know that is an unpopular opinion on here but there you go, at least Foley isn't scared to have a shot or two.....


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[/quote]If I'd have been getting the level of abuse Parker was from some 'supporters' in the Town End yesterday, I'd have reacted like he did. Just what is the point in calling someone in a Pools shirt 'a w**ker' 'a c***' and 'a prick' just three words of encouragement I heard aimed towards him, I sit in the Cyril Knowles and I could hear the vitriol so I'm sure he could hear it. He's only human, is he expected just to take it?[/quote]

I agree, but he's been performing that badly since the first game he played in. At the Millwall match one bloke was slagging him off and a few people turned round to have a go at him about it. The same people who were defending him against Millwall were probably the ones calling him yesterday. It can only be detrimental to a players performance for the crowd to get on his back during the game, but I agree with the jeering and whistling when he got taken off, just as I agree with the applause for Robson coming on.

What do you expect people to do when he runs about without a care in the world? He's done nothing to convince me that he should be starting ahead of Mackay or Foley, in terms of skill or effort. As for his reaction, 2 of his fellow countrymen got banned from playing for their national side the other week for a very similar thing...

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If I'd have been getting the level of abuse Parker was from some 'supporters' in the Town End yesterday, I'd have reacted like he did. Just what is the point in calling someone in a Pools shirt 'a w**ker' 'a c***' and 'a prick' just three words of encouragement I heard aimed towards him, I sit in the Cyril Knowles and I could hear the vitriol so I'm sure he could hear it. He's only human, is he expected just to take it?

I agree, but he's been performing that badly since the first game he played in. At the Millwall match one bloke was slagging him off and a few people turned round to have a go at him about it. The same people who were defending him against Millwall were probably the ones calling him yesterday. It can only be detrimental to a players performance for the crowd to get on his back during the game, but I agree with the jeering and whistling when he got taken off, just as I agree with the applause for Robson coming on.

What do you expect people to do when he runs about without a care in the world? He's done nothing to convince me that he should be starting ahead of Mackay or Foley, in terms of skill or effort. As for his reaction, 2 of his fellow countrymen got banned from playing for their national side the other week for a very similar thing...


A) your assuming he doesn't care
B) Your condoning the slagging off of players to their faces
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 Post subject: Re: Kiegan Parker
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give over parker is much better than either foley or mackay

think you are singling him out because a) he is not ours b)he hasn't scored yet


these are probably the same people who would be criticising nardiello if he hadnt scored yesterday

nobody has mentioned how piss poor the midfield is at actually creating chances....only two decent creative midfielders...one can't get a game at all and the other is played wide right

sweeny was appauling on monday....i think i counted 8 times that he touched the ball....he has the odd good game (millwall) but he is a bit of a luxury....he does bleed blue and white but so does ritchie humphreys

what fans said from town end to parker is a f**kin joke....telling him that no-one wants him and to go back to huddersfield

on a brighter note it was good to hear no1 getting on budtz's case wen he made few mistakes and trying to support him


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A) your assuming he doesn't care

Well that's certainly the impression he gives. Unfortunately I haven't had the luxury of talking to him about this in great detail.

B) Your condoning the slagging off of players to their faces.

If you read my posts I said that I don't agree with slagging players off, especially not when they're playing. If they've played shit and you're unhappy, when they're subbed or at the final whistle is the time to let this be known.

C) Cock

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on a brighter note it was good to hear no1 getting on budtz's case wen he made few mistakes and trying to support him


True. Although he was to blame for the first he did manage some saves (again)

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give over parker is much better than either foley or mackay


Were you at Crewe?

Parker is rubbish and Mackay looked like he wanted the ball, can hold it up and runs the channels.

Why do we think a player that did not make it at Huddlesfield will make it at Pools? Remember Proctor, and the wonderful Scott signings.

Oh Nardello is ex Man U so he is class, like Jones and that loan player Bryne we had on loan years back!

We need a forward line that can score and Parker is not the answer.


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 Post subject: Re: Kiegan Parker
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:44 pm 
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give over parker is much better than either foley or mackay


Were you at Crewe?

Parker is rubbish and Mackay looked like he wanted the ball, can hold it up and runs the channels.

Why do we think a player that did not make it at Huddlesfield will make it at Pools? Remember Proctor, and the wonderful Scott signings.

Oh Nardello is ex Man U so he is class, like Jones and that loan player Bryne we had on loan years back!

We need a forward line that can score and Parker is not the answer.



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Stuart Brightwell was ex man utd, oh and he was crap as well.
Any other ex man utd at pools in the last 25 or so years sctatchinghead

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Paul Beilby is also ex Man U - he received an OBE for services to football. Pools swapped him for Wayne Goldthorpe.


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give over parker is much better than either foley or mackay


Were you at Crewe?

Parker is rubbish and Mackay looked like he wanted the ball, can hold it up and runs the channels.

Why do we think a player that did not make it at Huddlesfield will make it at Pools? Remember Proctor, and the wonderful Scott signings.

Oh Nardello is ex Man U so he is class, like Jones and that loan player Bryne we had on loan years back!

We need a forward line that can score and Parker is not the answer.


yes i was at crewe actually....again you mention parker yet do not say anything about the midfield being non-existant....sweeney had 4 touches in that game...yes 4 yet he does not get criticism....mackay yes he runs about but his ball control is shocking....he is not as good as parker....mackay is only good when he does not have to think about chances - stockport this season a good example....he is shocking when balls played to him to control

no striker looks good when you have idiots launching balls in the air to them and they give a foot away in height

you seem to be one of these fans that blames players that do not have contracts with us.....and your comments about players not making it at teams in the same division....plenty of ppl do it...neil danns didnt look anything at us yet wen he went to colchester he was a world beater...just one example

and your comments about nardiello and jones are laughable...i think the comments about man utd are more aimed at ur opinion...u think they should be world beaters cos they are from there...where he actually is good

nardiello single handedly got barnsley up when he was in this division last time...and jones is probaly our most creative midfielder...he will be a class player in the future and is still one of our best players now


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Stuart Brightwell was ex man utd, oh and he was crap as well.
Any other ex man utd at pools in the last 25 or so years sctatchinghead


David McCreery and don't forget Peter Beardsley!!

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Didn't Stephen Pears once play for Man U before he came to pools sctatchinghead

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I dont see what Parker adds to the team. He doesnt do anything???

Would rather have Foley up front every day of the week. At least he would take people on, win free kicks, and gets shots in. Plus give 100% effort.


rolfl rolfl at people thinking Mackay should play.

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If I'd have been getting the level of abuse Parker was from some 'supporters' in the Town End yesterday, I'd have reacted like he did. Just what is the point in calling someone in a Pools shirt 'a w**ker' 'a c***' and 'a prick' just three words of encouragement I heard aimed towards him, I sit in the Cyril Knowles and I could hear the vitriol so I'm sure he could hear it. He's only human, is he expected just to take it?


PJ. Can you remember when you heard this abuse?

I ask, because once Parker said welcome to the board to the town end, loads of people gave him pelters until he went off. Before that though, I didnt here much.....apart from the usual bloke who just shouts abuse all game. And most people around us tell him to shut the fook up anyway.

And just for the record......the comment that Parker reacted to, was nothing.......nothing more than a plea to get stuck in and get a goal. nd the bloke that shouted it, didnt even abuse parker afterwards.

There was one very prominant poolie, stood near me, that I swear, would have ripped Parkers head off, afterwards like. Very very angry. sadx

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i have worked this out...

Escape goats so far this season...

barker
robson
foley
henderson
humphreys
lee barrett
wilson
kyle

now all of a sudden none of these players are playing and we have yet another escape goat tm......its pathetic it really is.

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i have worked this out...

Escape goats so far this season...

barker
robson
foley
henderson
humphreys
lee barrett
wilson
kyle

now all of a sudden none of these players are playing and we have yet another escape goat tm......its pathetic it really is.


Its is pathetic but look at the list you have wrote and the only person I would want in the current team is barker so the points are valid

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And just for the record......the comment that Parker reacted to, was nothing.......nothing more than a plea to get stuck in and get a goal. nd the bloke that shouted it, didnt even abuse parker afterwards.
If I remember rightly, I think the bloke shouted something like "Parker, pull yourself together", hardly the sort of abuse normally thrown.


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B) Your condoning the slagging off of players to their faces


Dont think thats what mampi was saying also I dont agree with slagging players off with verbal abuse calling people a cock 'lovely lovely person' etc however what are people ment to do when he looks like he is a man just here picking up his pay packet give him a clap and a pat on the back for not doing his job and putting the ball in the net or contributing to others doing the same.

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[ ] fans shouting abuse at their own players is actually a good way of showing your support and will help them to play better.

[x] shouting abuse at your own players is usually done by blokes with a small penis and is counter productive.

i suspect than parker is a better player than anyone who was stood in the town end on saturday.


That last point is hardly sticking your neck out, given the Town End was empty.

And I have a small penis, yet I don't shout abuse at players, so I think a Venn diagram may be needed for a proper illustration of your point.

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[ ] fans shouting abuse at their own players is actually a good way of showing your support and will help them to play better.

[x] shouting abuse at your own players is usually done by blokes with a small penis and is counter productive.

i suspect than parker is a better player than anyone who was stood in the town end on saturday.


Considering he is a professional footballer then that isnt hard its like me saying I have more world knowledge than the students who attend grange primary school.

Also you must love election day with all the voting and putting your cross in the box it must be your favourite time of year.

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i suspect than parker is a better player than anyone who was stood in the town end on saturday.


Chip I was in the town end.....and it was Monday.

So your comment is sooooooooo wrong. :grin:

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again its an assumption that someone isnt giving their all because of their supposed body language. Adam boyd, andy monkhouse, even james brown to an extent appear 'lazy' and like they are not trying sometimes. Its just their style. I actually thought that parker seemed to try a lot harder in the last match but produced absolutely nothing. I think fans slagging players off during a match is wrong. Full stop.

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again its an assumption that someone isnt giving their all because of their supposed body language. Adam boyd, andy monkhouse, even james brown to an extent appear 'lazy' and like they are not trying sometimes. Its just their style. I actually thought that parker seemed to try a lot harder in the last match but produced absolutely nothing. I think fans slagging players off during a match is wrong. Full stop.


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again its an assumption that someone isnt giving their all because of their supposed body language. Adam boyd, andy monkhouse, even james brown to an extent appear 'lazy' and like they are not trying sometimes. Its just their style. I actually thought that parker seemed to try a lot harder in the last match but produced absolutely nothing. I think fans slagging players off during a match is wrong. Full stop.


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Also you must love election day with all the voting and putting your cross in the box it must be your favourite time of year.

Aye Chip's a hell of a winger. Nobody puts crosses in boxes better than him. :wink:

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one of rippers crew shouted " welcome to the board parker you lazy little bastad " at him during the hereford match, from a distance of about 15 feet.


Who was that then? sctatchinghead

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its bad enough having to use the same toilets as them at half time. some of the scruffy gets smoke in there an all. i caught one of them at it on monday and gave him a bloody bollocking.



I know who you are now, you're the bloke who everyone refers to as "toilet creeper".

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 Post subject: Re: Kiegan Parker
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Considering he is a professional footballer then that isnt hard its like me saying I have more world knowledge than the students who attend grange primary school.



I don't know like I reckon it would be touch and go, they would definitely win the spelling contest though :wink: :wink: :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: Kiegan Parker
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:08 pm 
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If I'd have been getting the level of abuse Parker was from some 'supporters' in the Town End yesterday, I'd have reacted like he did. Just what is the point in calling someone in a Pools shirt 'a w**ker' 'a c***' and 'a prick' just three words of encouragement I heard aimed towards him, I sit in the Cyril Knowles and I could hear the vitriol so I'm sure he could hear it. He's only human, is he expected just to take it?


PJ. Can you remember when you heard this abuse?

I ask, because once Parker said welcome to the board to the town end, loads of people gave him pelters until he went off. Before that though, I didnt here much.....apart from the usual bloke who just shouts abuse all game. And most people around us tell him to shut the fook up anyway.

And just for the record......the comment that Parker reacted to, was nothing.......nothing more than a plea to get stuck in and get a goal. nd the bloke that shouted it, didnt even abuse parker afterwards.

There was one very prominant poolie, stood near me, that I swear, would have ripped Parkers head off, afterwards like. Very very angry. sadx


It was all game but especially after we went 2-1 down, he seemed to be the one chosen for the vitriolic bile probably because Humphreys, Robson, or some other more regular victim wasn't on the pitch. He was getting called all sorts of shite it wasn't one specific moment. How can you expect a player to perform in such a venomous atmosphere? I'm not surprised he eventually reacted.

Also anyone comparing Parker to Mackay and Foley, on the back of less than ten games when his confidence is extremely low doesn't know much about football. He's a proven quality player who's having a poor season. Because he doesn't run about like a headless chicken to appease a few knuckle draggers doesn't make him a bad player, as I say I'm not going to say he's made much of an impact for us because he quite clearly hasn't but he doesn't deserve the abuse he got on Monday either. Also he has worked as hard as I'd expect him too, I remember a few occasions on Monday when he closed the the keeper down and such like, plus at Crewe I thought he was our brightest player first half without much support.


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If I'd have been getting the level of abuse Parker was from some 'supporters' in the Town End yesterday, I'd have reacted like he did. Just what is the point in calling someone in a Pools shirt 'a w**ker' 'a c***' and 'a prick' just three words of encouragement I heard aimed towards him, I sit in the Cyril Knowles and I could hear the vitriol so I'm sure he could hear it. He's only human, is he expected just to take it?


PJ. Can you remember when you heard this abuse?

I ask, because once Parker said welcome to the board to the town end, loads of people gave him pelters until he went off. Before that though, I didnt here much.....apart from the usual bloke who just shouts abuse all game. And most people around us tell him to shut the fook up anyway.

And just for the record......the comment that Parker reacted to, was nothing.......nothing more than a plea to get stuck in and get a goal. nd the bloke that shouted it, didnt even abuse parker afterwards.

There was one very prominant poolie, stood near me, that I swear, would have ripped Parkers head off, afterwards like. Very very angry. sadx


It was all game but especially after we went 2-1 down, he seemed to be the one chosen for the vitriolic bile probably because Humphreys, Robson, or some other more regular victim wasn't on the pitch. He was getting called all sorts of shite it wasn't one specific moment. How can you expect a player to perform in such a venomous atmosphere? I'm not surprised he eventually reacted.

Also anyone comparing Parker to Mackay and Foley, on the back of less than ten games when his confidence is extremely low doesn't know much about football. He's a proven quality player who's having a poor season. Because he doesn't run about like a headless chicken to appease a few knuckle draggers doesn't make him a bad player, as I say I'm not going to say he's made much of an impact for us because he quite clearly hasn't but he doesn't deserve the abuse he got on Monday either. Also he has worked as hard as I'd expect him too, I remember a few occasions on Monday when he closed the the keeper down and such like, plus at Crewe I thought he was our brightest player first half without much support.



What I said is that he's done nothing to prove TO ME that he is better than either of those two. He's done nothing noteworthy in the games I've seen him in. Nelson is a proven quality player having a bad run of form, but we've seen performances of his in the past on which to base this judgement.

We've seen Parker, on the other hand, in a handful of games in which he's done precisely nowt. Now you might argue that it takes a while for a player to get to his best, but we can't really afford to be taking that chance in the situation we're in. We need performances here and now, and quite frankly, he looks more like he can't be arsed than a player who is low on confidence/having a poor season etc.

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What I said is that he's done nothing to prove TO ME that he is better than either of those two. He's done nothing noteworthy in the games I've seen him in. Nelson is a proven quality player having a bad run of form, but we've seen performances of his in the past on which to base this judgement.

We've seen Parker, on the other hand, in a handful of games in which he's done precisely nowt. Now you might argue that it takes a while for a player to get to his best, but we can't really afford to be taking that chance in the situation we're in. We need performances here and now, and quite frankly, he looks more like he can't be arsed than a player who is low on confidence/having a poor season etc.


Certain types of players look like that when they aren't playing well and things aren't coming off, Andy Monkhouse is a prime example it doesn't mean he's lazy or doesn't give a fook about his football. I heard people calling Adam Boyd lazy when he wasn't a regular and got loaned out to Boston, I didn't hear them saying that later in the same season when he scored 12 in 10 or the next season when he scored 29. When flair players aren't playing it often looks far worse. Also we've seen enough of Parker to see that he's got a better touch and more off than the likes of Foley and Mackay what we haven't seen is a real goal threat or even the confidence to try and make something happen.

Players are different not all of them tear about the pitch like Sweeney for example. Parker isn't playing well but he doesn't whilst in a blue and white shirt deserve the abuse he received on Monday, ultimately what is the point? How is it going to help?


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What I said is that he's done nothing to prove TO ME that he is better than either of those two. He's done nothing noteworthy in the games I've seen him in. Nelson is a proven quality player having a bad run of form, but we've seen performances of his in the past on which to base this judgement.

We've seen Parker, on the other hand, in a handful of games in which he's done precisely nowt. Now you might argue that it takes a while for a player to get to his best, but we can't really afford to be taking that chance in the situation we're in. We need performances here and now, and quite frankly, he looks more like he can't be arsed than a player who is low on confidence/having a poor season etc.


Certain types of players look like that when they aren't playing well and things aren't coming off, Andy Monkhouse is a prime example it doesn't mean he's lazy or doesn't give a fook about his football. I heard people calling Adam Boyd lazy when he wasn't a regular and got loaned out to Boston, I didn't hear them saying that later in the same season when he scored 12 in 10 or the next season when he scored 29. When flair players aren't playing it often looks far worse. Also we've seen enough of Parker to see that he's got a better touch and more off than the likes of Foley and Mackay what we haven't seen is a real goal threat or even the confidence to try and make something happen.

Players are different not all of them tear about the pitch like Sweeney for example. Parker isn't playing well but he doesn't whilst in a blue and white shirt deserve the abuse he received on Monday, ultimately what is the point? How is it going to help?


Which is exactly what we need from him now.

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It was all game but especially after we went 2-1 down, he seemed to be the one chosen for the vitriolic bile probably because Humphreys, Robson, or some other more regular victim wasn't on the pitch. He was getting called all sorts of shite it wasn't one specific moment. How can you expect a player to perform in such a venomous atmosphere? I'm not surprised he eventually reacted.

Also anyone comparing Parker to Mackay and Foley, on the back of less than ten games when his confidence is extremely low doesn't know much about football. He's a proven quality player who's having a poor season. Because he doesn't run about like a headless chicken to appease a few knuckle draggers doesn't make him a bad player, as I say I'm not going to say he's made much of an impact for us because he quite clearly hasn't but he doesn't deserve the abuse he got on Monday either. Also he has worked as hard as I'd expect him too, I remember a few occasions on Monday when he closed the the keeper down and such like, plus at Crewe I thought he was our brightest player first half without much support.


Got to be honest I never heard it all game, but it got very bad before he got took off.

And of course it does him no good. But it doesnt do any good to reactlike he did either.

Just for the record though, i didnt shout any abuse.......but there again, I never do.

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Here, the idea of Venn diagrams belongs to me, as I suggested it some weeks ago. :coool:
Not sure how to make one on-line, tho....


I suspect (if he were still alive) that John Venn would disagree quite strongly with you, having beaten you by a mere 129 years.

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I think mastercard have the monopoly on that

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