In light of the murders in Ipswich, a serious question;

Should we have licenced brothels in non residential areas? industrial estates for example.

It probably wouldn't solve the problem, you would still have prossies working un licensed, a report in the paper last year said that around 30% of the prossies in Boro are under 18 and may under 16. This age group would continue to work illegally. No business would want a whore house anywhere near their premisis just like no one would want one in their street.

No it doesn't, prossies generally bring trouble, to even suggest that it is some sort of proffession is being very optomistic indeed. The vast majority of prossies do it to fund their heroin habits. And do we want to be like Amsterdam?

And if my views belong in Victorian Times so be it but would you want your daughter to work in one of these legal brothels...?

And Dibble - how some of them manage to get money for sex is beyond me, they just look like little smackheads......

Working as a prossie should not be encouraged in my opinion, by making at licensed it would be like condoning it. It would also not solve the problem of smackheads trading on the street either if there were strict guidelines, which like you say there would have to be.

I'm sure a lot of prossies have had a rough up bringing and many won't have had a chance in life but no matter what you do there is pretty much no hope for them.......

I'm sure we'd all say that and we'd certainly all hope that but unfortunately we have no idea and little control about how our daughters will turn out. We can only hope. Every prostitute is someones daughter.

As far as brothels are concerned; there is no point in debating the rights and wrongs of prostitution - it exists and always will so the question is how do we make it safer for the girls who choose that way of life? It my be wrong in our eyes but it ain't gonna change anything.

It's crazy not to have official brothels. Prostitution cannot be stopped, because there will always be women willing to sell and men willing to buy. Legal brothels would be operated properly with security, regular health checks and no worry for the punters about getting prosecuted.

Of course there will be some who choose to work outside of the law for whatever reasons. You can't stop that either you can only try and make it as safe as possible. The way to do that is to control the environment.

Why should the girls be protected? They know the risks. They are breaking the law. The decent people in society should be protected not the law breaking risk takers.

Whats next - Free E for clubbers just incase someone buys a dodgy pill?

Does that go for women forced into it by pimps and trafickers? They are loads of East Europeans for example who are working as whores in fear of their life by the gang owners. Do they give up their right to protection too ?

It's not really a question of decency or morals, do you really think these women would do this if they had an alternative ?

When that is the case they are basically fucked, they are breaking the law. I don't really have an answer but I don't think licensed brothels is the way forward......

They seem to work just fine in Spain.
A lot of prostitutes from other countries go to Spain to work legally.

I'll probably check them out for myself one day and report back to you.

Legalise Brothels I say!!!!

Safer for punters and workers with regular health checks and tests!!!!

And make the punishment more harsher for people still working on the streets and the punters and name and shame them!!!!


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Legalise them. Sick of waiting for our lass to put out. Could do with a nice bit of oral highway. (That's not the disease I want by the way)

Quite odd it seems OK for 'working girls' to be sliced up but you want prisoners who carry out this did to get the vote?

No i don't think it is ok for prossies to be sliced up, but they know the risks when they get in someone's car. If you decided to hitch hike never mind have sex with a stranger you know that there would be an element of risk involved.

As for prisoners getting to vote, some prisoners are in for very little. People should be encouraged to vote not discouraged, you can't remove every right that a prisoner has and it really isn't a big deal allowing them to vote is it?

Ooh yes you can....and it should happen....no matter how small or trivial their crime was!!!!

No hope for them?
Working in a hostel for homeless 16 - 21 year olds I've worked with a few lasses who have prostituted themselves and to say there is no hope for them is completely false.
Of course there is hope for them. Plenty of them move onto more successful lives.
Usually, at that time in their lives, they are stuck in a rut, are young and hugely vulnerable, have often been abused and have drug addictions and ridiculously low self - esteem.
Often too, they are totally victimised by men, whether as pimps or simply passing them round. Most prostitution is in dodgy flats or houses rather than on the streets.
As for risk when it comes to getting in others cars, well thats obvious to most of us, but some people have very odd perceptions of what constitutes risk, usually because they have often lived in environments where risk is constant. Therefore, this isnt as risky as it would be for other people.
Wipe out the fucking heroin and crack dealers. That would help for a start.

You can have as many legitimate brothels as you like, but the drug dependant street girls will always well undercut them. Plus, will those who use prostitutes want to use brothels which in the present climate would be an health and safety minefield and sure to involve some form of registration. As for cracking down on the street girls once legal brothels are open, the present judiciary don't know the meaning of the word crackdown .....why not just have a proper crackdown altogether on users and providers now, instead of giving them a social services type lecture.

I'm interested in this one Snowy:
Scenario:
User, has been physically and sexually abused or raped for years.
Has constant flashbacks of this sexual abuse years later, seriously impacting upon mental health, sleep deprivation etc.
The sexual and physical abuse has immensely affected this person, how they perceive themselves, how they perceive others. The flashbacks make them relive the rape/sexual abuse as if they are happening right now or they have just happened. This may happen every single night.
However, the heroin is the only thing that blots out these flashbacks. It kills the pain, for lets face it, thats what heroin is - a pain killer. Ask anyone who has tried morphine - it can kill physical pain as well as emotional pain.
How then would you "crackdown" on this user?
Lock them up for taking heroin?
Or another way?

Now I know not every user is like this but I can name ten off the top of my head that are, from the area I work in. Many prostitutes will have suffered in some way and use heroin to combat this suffering.

This isnt a criticism of your post as I thought it made loads of sense, but to me its the dealers that need cracking down on - big style.
I understand that if someone is committing burglaries for the money to get a fix then thats unacceptable and needs cracking down on somehow.
But if there's an environment where any drug is available then some people will feel the need to take it or become addicted to it.
Blow up the fucking poppy fields and the coca fields.
Put the dealers (proper dealers, not someone giving some to a mate to pay for their own addiction) inside for many many years.
These people are the bastards. The ones that make a living out of others misery.

Does that include assault with a hamburger ?

A mandatory 100 year sentence for supplying class A drugs would stop a fair percentage of the heroin dealers alternatively, make it available in clinics free of charge for addicts thus access to them from a councilling and treatment perspective and killing the illegal market instantly.

The whole thing is a minefield and like you say, as long as we have drugs, we'll have this problem. Would prescribing it as it was in the 60's help, dunno. We live in a society where the use of drugs has been glamourised for too long.

Errr....yes!!!!

Even if it were legalised, a lot of blokes who use scrubbers are married and shouldn't be doing it. So they will never use the legalised brothels anyway.
There is also more of a stigma (copyright D Smith) associated with having sex with a prostitute in this country, whereas a lot of other countries nobody bats an eyelid wherever it goes on. I'll bet 75% of blokes in the UK who've used prostitutes don't make it known to anybody at all