tall ships

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5095

i see the council wants to charge £10 a go for the park and ride when the tall ships comes to town

rolfl

looks like all the streets not resident only will be chokka

Poolsrme · **Posted:** Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:29 pm

60,000 cars a day coming into town :roll:

I hope they've done their market research or we're gonna be left with a helluva bill (those of us that pay the full Council Tax that is) :evil:

Cornelius Atweasle · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:51 am

Yip, it's the Council taxpayers who'll have to fork out for the tall ships.

Glad I'm leaving.

kipper05 · **Joined:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:39 pm **Posts:** 157

It might be just me but isn't this tall ships thing getting a little overhyped for an event that is only lasting 3 days?
Whilst I'm over the moon that the town has got the event I think some of the alleged economic benefits of this are more than a little bit optimistic.

Bluetooth · **Joined:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:11 pm **Posts:** 614

most of the car parks are going to be in fields on the outskirts of hartlepool, so if its anything like last summer things could be fun :laugh:

Fetish_Bob · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:52 am

The tall ships will be the towns olympics, lots of money LOST.

Our biggest hotels in the town have about 20-25 rooms, which mean the vast majority of visitors will have to in fact stay outside the town.

Meaning places within commuter distance will be taking money from the event, so towns/cities within an hour or so of Hartlepool will make money, Newcastle, York.

This event will cost the town big style. If I'm right I think Newcastle lost money on it so what chances does that give us.

Definetely a mistake in my opinion to hold it here.

Pierrepoint · **Joined:** Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:04 am **Posts:** 1723

Fetish_Bob wrote:

The tall ships will be the towns olympics, lots of money LOST.

Our biggest hotels in the town have about 20-25 rooms, which mean the vast majority of visitors will have to in fact stay outside the town.

Meaning places within commuter distance will be taking money from the event, so towns/cities within an hour or so of Hartlepool will make money, Newcastle, York.

This event will cost the town big style. If I'm right I think Newcastle lost money on it so what chances does that give us.

Definetely a mistake in my opinion to hold it here.

See you can be an optomist nad a pessimist at the same time!! :grin:

grabec · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:56 am

Fetish_Bob wrote:

The tall ships will be the towns olympics, lots of money LOST.

Our biggest hotels in the town have about 20-25 rooms, which mean the vast majority of visitors will have to in fact stay outside the town.

Meaning places within commuter distance will be taking money from the event, so towns/cities within an hour or so of Hartlepool will make money, Newcastle, York.

This event will cost the town big style. If I'm right I think Newcastle lost money on it so what chances does that give us.

Definetely a mistake in my opinion to hold it here.

You could quickly register with the Tourist Office and do B&B in your spare bedroom. :wink:

Plenty of people do that, though.

jish · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:53 pm

Bollox

The Tall Ships race, when it visited Shields brought in over 1.5 million visitors. You don't need to be a genius to see what that can bring in long term to Hartlepool.

If it is likely to cost the town money, we wouldn't have bid for it.

It may bring a few problems but it will increase the towns profile which is no bad thing.

Cornelius Atweasle · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:59 pm

jishtownend wrote:

Bollox

The Tall Ships race, when it visited Shields brought in over 1.5 million visitors. You don't need to be a genius to see what that can bring in long term to Hartlepool.

If it is likely to cost the town money, we wouldn't have bid for it.

It may bring a few problems but it will increase the towns profile which is no bad thing.

1.5 million might visit the town ... but what do they do after seeing the Tall Ships? There's naff all else in town for them to see or do.

So the places that's benefit are the likes of Durham or the Metro Centre where people will spend their time and money.

jish · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:01 pm

Even if they are here for 10 minutes, that's 1.4 million more people than usual. This = more income and raised town profile!

Cornelius Atweasle · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:03 pm

jishtownend wrote:

Even if they are here for 10 minutes, that's 1.4 million more people than usual. This = more income and raised town profile!

If Pools are at home that weekend, the crowd might increase. rolfl

jish · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:07 pm

We are surrounded by the coast. a pretty big stretch by anyones standards.

I'm pretty sure we'll do well out of it.

Shields has the Metro, but anyone deluding themeselves that that isn't a piece of crap is more than likely on quaaludes!

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37478

They just assume everyone has a car and no one in Hartlepool gets anything because we just accept shite and say nowt.We're building a so called 'interchange' where people can get off the hourly train to travel on the bus to places like Wingate and Easington...pity we couldn't build a proper bus station in a place where it would be accessible to the towns ratepayers who'll be financing the fookin thing.... which is years late by the way, so it's not all bad news. :roll:

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

I very much doubt that there'll be standard public transport on the day so this conversation comparing the hourly train service is pretty pointless.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37478

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

I very much doubt that there'll be standard public transport on the day so this conversation comparing the hourly train service is pretty pointless.

WHOA, I couldn't give a toss what the service is like during the event, but it'll only highlight how shite the service is other times.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37478

Our lass travels back by train from Leeds or York and I'm sick to fook of having to go to Darlo or Toxic on Tees to pick her up. maybe we all wouldn't need to use our cars if they provided a sensible and reliable service. I won't say cheap, because even under a Labour government, we have to pay a premium to the shareholders of the companies who, especially in Hartlepool, have a monopoly of services, they didn't even have that when the buses were state owned. :roll:

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Snowy- sorry my comments weren't aimed at you. You must have posted about the same time so it looked like I was replying to you. Chip- i've got the train to Newcastle and back literally hundreds of times over the last six years and i could count on one hand how many times the service has been delayed. The trains are minging but I personally never had a problem. If you're going to write off the transport service for the Tall Ships without even knowing what improvements are being made just because you once got on a crowded train at xmas a few years ago then fair enough but it just looks like you're moaning for the sake of it, especially when you probably won't even be using the service.

jish · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:55 pm

Which brings us nicely back to the park and ride topic that the post was originally about.

Even if it is a nightmare getting in and out, there will be more people here than there would normally be, thus benefitting the local economy.

Can I just ask, if we built a massive hotel to house some of these guests, would it not be empty for the majority of its lifespan? I know another local business that has fallen into hard times due to having massive expectations and ideas above their station. Can't remember the name of it though? :shock:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37478

Getting back to the Tall Ships, as soon as the hand of authority steps in, the 'Ker-ching' sound of the till will start ringing up, as co-ordinators for this and supremos for that will be appointed to 'organise' things.
It's a three day event I'm in favour of, but some people talk as if it will transform the town, it won't, it'll be a boost, but the usual opportunists will turn up to do the milking.

ronaldo · **Joined:** Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:53 pm **Posts:** 861

Raise the towns profile? It could make the town a laughing stock. There isnt the infrastructure to host such an event successfully. You couldnt move on Newcastle quayside when the tall ships was on, and thats with all the attractions of historic pubs, quality restaurants and decent shops to soak up the crowds, like has been said, the town has nothing to offer on the scale required.

jish · **Posted:** Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:00 pm

Ok. Lets not bother then. Give it to Seaham or someone :roll:

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5095

you only have to look how badly the fireworks park and ride copes to realise that the town transport infastructure will not be able to cope.
its bad enough when people of the town do their christmas shopping

Frodraff · **Posted:** Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:35 am

jishtownend wrote:

We are surrounded by the coast. a pretty big stretch by anyones standards.

I'm pretty sure we'll do well out of it.

Shields has the Metro, but anyone deluding themeselves that that isn't a piece of crap is more than likely on quaaludes!

No man is an island, not even Hartlepool.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

chip fireball wrote:

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

Snowy- sorry my comments weren't aimed at you. You must have posted about the same time so it looked like I was replying to you. Chip- i've got the train to Newcastle and back literally hundreds of times over the last six years and i could count on one hand how many times the service has been delayed. The trains are minging but I personally never had a problem. If you're going to write off the transport service for the Tall Ships without even knowing what improvements are being made just because you once got on a crowded train at xmas a few years ago then fair enough but it just looks like you're moaning for the sake of it, especially when you probably won't even be using the service.

i dont drive so i use public transport more than most, and certainly a lot more than mr tax paying poolie claims. you say that you have been on the newcastle trains hundreds of times in the last 6 years. thats funny cos i aint ever seen you on it ????

you say the train has been delayed no more than 5 times out of your several hundred journeys. god you must be lucky. last time i looked the punctuality rate was 90.2 %. thats when the train wasnt being replaced by a rail replacement bus as it was for most of last summer.

it certainly doesnt tally with my experience of the service, tho i admit it has got slightly better over the last 12 months.

as for the towns public transport :

there is no direct bus service to either darlo or newcastle, and the service to durham takes an hour and a half and the last one leaves durham about half 9. which is why every time you go to away games you drive or get taxis to and from darlo.

there is a half decent bus service to and from sunderland but even this stops running about half ten.

the train service north and south is hourly and stops about half 8 at night.

so essentially if you go for a night out anywhere thats in the north east and it isnt hartlepool you can forget getting back by public transport.

i will be going to newcastle by train tomorrow as i do at least twice a month. i can guarantee you 100 per cent if i get the rush hour train home it will be made up of 2 carriages and it will be standing room only. and i can categorically assure you that there are times when the train prior to this one has been cancelled which even by norther rails own admission happens once in every 20 journeys, and you have fook all chance of getting on the train.

last december i went to newcastle 7 times by train between the 10th and the 24th december. on 2 ocassions i stood all the way there, and on every ocassion bar one , i stood on the way back.

you say that you are guessing there will be improved services during the tall ships event, and i would expect that to be the case. but do you seriously, in your wildest dreams, think northern rail will magically conjure up brand new rolling stock, train drivers, and guards purely for a 3 day event ?

as snowy has stated i'd rather we actually improved the service for the benefit of the town now. is it too much to ask for a train or a bus service back from newcastle/the boro that runs until 11 o clock at night like every other fooking place in the civilised world ?

Classic Fireball. Not believing that I haven't used the Hartlepool to Newcastle train service purely because he hasn't seen me on there. I lived there for 4 years so got the train down every weekend during the football season when Pools were either home or away, I was also seeing a girl from the town for 2 years during that time so would get it down an extra time on average during the week. However, you get the train there twice a month so that makes you an expert?!

A quick look on the Northernn Rail website shows the punctuality performance is VERY rarely below 90% and I reckon the average percentage is close to 95%. It certainly ties in with my figures about getting delayed trains.

They have a cancelled train 1 in every 20? Where have you read that? From what I can see the cancellation rate is normally under 1%.

I'm sure Northern Rail will improve their service during the event and it seems stupid that people are criticising when they haven't got the first inkling about what the transport plans are for next year.

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

chip fireball wrote:

^^^^^

dont believe him...he is a liar. :shock:

Can you show me where they admit 1 in 20 of their trains get cancelled otherwise I'll be forced to believe there is someone making things up....

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

chip fireball wrote:

^^^^^^

thinly veiled, i have had a girlfriend post imho.

So you made it up then? Shocking. :roll:

Cornelius Atweasle · **Posted:** Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:44 pm

chip fireball wrote:

okay my figures may be somewhat off, but if a train company cant get an hourly service to run on time when there is peak demand , i cant see it coping with the tall ships.

http://www.northernrail.org/northern/pa ... igures.pdf

Are the ships coming by train? :shock:

Obafemi Obsession · **Posted:** Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:47 pm

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

chip fireball wrote:

^^^^^^

thinly veiled, i have had a girlfriend post imho.

So you made it up then? Shocking. :roll:

It's not like chip to make things up is it? :roll:

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

Obafemi Obsession wrote:

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

chip fireball wrote:

^^^^^^

thinly veiled, i have had a girlfriend post imho.

So you made it up then? Shocking. :roll:

It's not like chip to make things up is it? :roll:

He has just admitted that he has lied then has the audacity to accuse me of being the liar.

I'm appalled but not surprised.

:roll:

Tax Paying Poolie · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:18 am **Posts:** 9053

chip fireball wrote:

at least im in touch with my feminine side mr tax. :wink:

I'm sorry, I just can't converse with you anymore knowing that you're such a liar.

Cornelius Atweasle · **Posted:** Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:18 pm

Tax Paying Poolie wrote:

chip fireball wrote:

at least im in touch with my feminine side mr tax. :wink:

I'm sorry, I just can't converse with you anymore knowing that you're such a liar.

A man of priciples. clappp

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