Since the start of November this is our form when ALB is in the team

P 13
W 1
D 4
L 8

Conceded 28

So a massive 7 points from a possible 39


Jan Budtz's record

P 3
W 1
D 2
L 0

Conceded 1

5 points from 3 games.

Now i am not saying that Jan Budtz is the answer long term but when you look at our form with ALB in the team things are going to be tough for the rest of the season - surely Chris Turner can see this....?

To me it is clear that they've been trying to get the highest earning keeper off the wage bill (Budtz) so we can sign another one. That has now happened, over to you CT.

PJ - We could still play Budtz even if we were trying to get rid of him - in fact it puts him more in the shop window if he plays well. I'm dreading every game with this clown in goal...... and others must be the same.....

Well said Mr PJ, it's a shame that others have to look for a negative in everything.

I'm dreading every game now, even the so called home bankers are a struggle for a point yes the defense is poor but ALB's form has been dreadful barring the West Ham game and one or 2 others.

Well funnily enough i find 7 points from 39 a bit of a negative. In most games we have to score at least twice to avoid defeat. What positives can be concluded from 7 points in 39 with the clown in goal....?

The positive is that finally something can be done about it.

A lot of people would say if the defence done its job correct then they should stop the shots in the first place

No defence has ever managed that, keepers like Martin Hodge, Kevin Poole, Steve Harper and Dimi would guarantee you an extra 10-15 points a season, ALB is only guaranteed to stay glued to his line

I couldn't agree more pal but if you look at PJ Poolies ratings from yesterday he give Sweeney 5 Nelson 6 Collins 6 Humphreys 5

Is that a defence doing its job

Maybe it's necessary to actually get him off the books cash-wise before a new keeper can be brought in, in which case, no, you couldn't have carried on playing him.

I expect him to concede every time there's a shot in his general direction - I'm even a bit worried he'll concede when we're attacking.

Surely Budtz still gets paid whether he is playing in the starting XI or in the ressies - I don't understand the point that you are trying to make....

We could keep playing him while we try to sell him. People are more likely to sign a keeper they can see playing first team football and also we will keepp some clean sheets in the process.

Its a win win situation but this is Hartlepool United and we havea clueless 'lovely lovely person' Turner in charge so its never gonna happen.

Exactly what I thought.

I "turned" on him when he was first here. We need a winner not someone who has done nothing but fail.

and realistically who do you think we should have gone for?

Someone who actually has something of note on there CV would have done. Not someone with fail, fail, fail etc on.

You avoided the question very well there. Well done.

I just dont think the bloke is a winner.

A good manager should have a winning attitude that rubs off on the players. Does Turner have that? Does he shite.

So who would you realistically want?

Any of the available managers who actually have a promotion on their cv and a sign that they can actually achieve something. And dont tell me there is none because there are plenty.

If there is plenty why are you finding it so hard to name any?

Surely that makes him a failing bounder in Tree's eyes?

No it would make him a 'failing fat bounder' in trees eyes

It's all gone very quiet. I wonder why?

Just for the record, the first three managers who got us promoted had achieved nowt until then. The fourth (as MJ implies) had a bit of previous but nobody seemed to like him.

Did we really have the biggest and most expensive squad in the division? I'd be surprised if that was the case.

Sheff Wed's finances were absolutely butchered before he took over and there wouldn't have been a manager in the land that would have kept them up.

I have no problem if Tree doesn't rate Turner, he is entitled to his opinion; I just wish he'd answer my fcking question!

Thinking about it I can't see any reason to the appointment of Colin West if the Turner/West management pairing isn't expected to go beyond the end of this season.

They only joined half way through Turner's tenure though. He'd had two a bit excellent seasons before he joined and only a modest amount of money had been spent in comparison.

He was then given a load of cash and spent it very well. Who knows what he'd done if this wasn't the case.

is the bit about Turner signing Beardsley factually correct too?

Hull City? Well, if not in THAT 12-month period, overall they certainly outspent the shit out of us for a lot less return.

P.S. I don't know of any manager anywhere who only made good signings. I know of one manager who made some terrible signings yet is still our most popular manager of recent times.

Rushden would have been paying a few quid on the likes of Underwood, Paul Hall and Dean Holdsworth too.

Even if he did spent a few quid, it doesn't make him any less of a manager considering the results we were getting on the pitch.

Why has a page been deleted??

Did someone ask me something?

I'd also agree. It's also why most would say Scotty was our worst manager ever.

Going so quickly into Premiership managerial football was probably too much too soon for him, especially given that Blackburn have a relatively small amount of money to spend compared to their rivals.

would love to see him here but would he really come to us following blackburn and he might be looking for a more high profile position

However he did sign Robbie Fowler which must have been one of the strangest signings ever.

Did Turner spend us out of our relegation place when he arrived?

The top and bottom of it is you can't tell if a manager's going to be any good at a given club, whether he has money or not.
If he proves to be good, you don't know if he's going to remain good, and vice versa. There's an argument to support every point of view.
Coming back to Hull, Taylor had two very middle-of-the-road seasons before getting easy promotions on the third and fourth attempts. You could say he was lucky to get that chance. At Pools, Gus McLean arrived, took us straight up, took us straight back down, then took us straight back to the re-election zone.

I don't believe any of that makes ALB any better mind.

I though text speak was banned on here? Isn't it only kids who use text speak?

Seeing as i don't work in an office what the fook does it mean

Who doesn't look like theid dad?

You're not ticking all the boxes there Mr Firewall

So to summarise, what Chip is saying is, that he doesn't rate Turner.

So why don't we all just wait till the end of the season before we start unscrewing the structure?

I agree, clubs likw Wigan are proof of that (where did all those new fans come from and would you trust them), I just think it's time to get behind what we've got and put our doubts to one side. You know I'll complain when I have to .