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 Post subject: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:27 am 
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7882953.stm

I say he should be allowed to present his case. Then let the people decide. Is this not another example of racism?

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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:57 am 
With only this article to go on, I should say Mr Wilders is a very dodgy character. Inciting racial hatred is a crime so although you can do this if you want (ie exercise your right to freedom of speech), you will be rightly arrested as a result.

From this account, Wilders has said the Koran is a fascist book and also said that the Koran has been used by extremists to justify their actions. 'Peaceful' Moslems have many times said that the Koran actually preaches peace and condemns the unlawful taking of life. It is the terrorists' 'interpretation' that's at fault.
Wilders is clearly trying to equate all Moslems with terrorists. That's demonstrably false so why should Wilders be given a platform? The gullible among us are already confused enough


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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:59 am 
Agree with all that apart from the spelling of Muslims.


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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:00 pm 
I insist that my alternative spelling of Moslems is technically correct :coool:


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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:08 pm 
While technically correct, Moslem is regared as offensive by some. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:16 pm 
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Pierrepoint wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7882953.stm

I say he should be allowed to present his case. Then let the people decide. Is this not another example of racism?


He's white? So how can it be racist? sctatchinghead


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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:18 pm 
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Having seen the fillum whilst it graphically horrific and quite sensationalist it also makes a valid point that a minority of texts in the quran are used by the extremists to justify their actions.

It is up to the peace loving Muslims to stand up and made their voices heard in their communities.

I'm afraid to say though that as usual in these cases the ones with the biggest mouths get heard the most.

Finally may I ask a final question if a person had made such a film about The Bible would he condemned as violently?

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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:23 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:25 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:28 pm 
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Pierrepoint wrote:
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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:57 pm 
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Well said.


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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:30 pm 
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While technically correct, Moslem is regared as offensive by some. :wink:


Oh, well , I didn't realise that. But why is it considered offensive?


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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:32 pm 
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Cos they like to whinge about it.... like Koran and Qur'an

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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:39 pm 
Pierrepoint wrote:
Having seen the film whilst it graphically horrific and quite sensationalist it also makes a valid point that a minority of texts in the quran are used by the extremists to justify their actions.

It is up to the peace loving Muslims to stand up and made their voices heard in their communities.

I'm afraid to say though that as usual in these cases the ones with the biggest mouths get heard the most.

Finally may I ask a final question if a person had made such a film about The Bible would he condemned as violently?


I've not seen the film, Mr P. But if it's sensationalist, that sort of speaks for itself. The guy's point about interpretation of the Koran has been made many times before, and has been answered, but he wants to bring it up again in a context where a)it will cause a lot of uneducated backlash and b)it will involve publicity for himself.

Islamic terrorists are criminals...we don't usually feel the need to go into how criminals interpret books, particularly when most law-abiding people interpret those books otherwise.


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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:41 pm 
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Confusing religion and race again I see.
Ambivalent seems to be the word of the day. That's what Moslems are. They preach charity but they curse infidels.

In their defence, every moslem I've known has been discreet in practising his or her religion.
Maybe that's an African thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:49 pm 
Of course race and religion are separate issues, but there's not always time to define one's terms on a message board. And, had one done so in this case, the debate would have followed exactly the same course.


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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:20 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:34 pm 
The sooner left footers, Proddies, Mouslims, Hindu gadgies and gadgiesks and the rest of them accept its a load of fooking mumbo cnuting jumbo, the better


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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:36 pm 
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it's a great way to control lots of people though, innit?
The various religious mafia aren't gonna relinquish their position of strength easily

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 Post subject: Re: Freedom of speech
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:54 pm 
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I have come to the conclusion that there must be some 'power' that created everything around us, but the idea of it 'getting in touch' with us via it's franchise, established religion, with it's rules and exclusive access rights, strikes me as a load of bollox. :roll:

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