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 Post subject: interesting angle on red on Huddersfiled site
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:23 pm 
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They are suggesting the ball was already dead after a foul on Andy Butler before Nards challenge - no one that was there has mentioned this - had the whistle already gone?

http://www.htafc.com/page/MatchReport/0 ... 72,00.html

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 Post subject: Re: interesting angle on red on Huddersfiled site
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:35 pm 
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Well if the ball was already dead , why did the keeper come charging towards nardiello did he have the intent of getting a fellow professional sent off ?????

I remember a similar incident at chester a few year ago with nelson been sent off


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 Post subject: Re: interesting angle on red on Huddersfiled site
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:55 pm 
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but what should that have to do with anything, is my question. Reactions and/or extent of injuries should not determine what colour the card is, or if there should be a card at all - it surely should be the intent/malice involved.
A pure mistimed tackle should not even be a yellow card, and that is where ref's discretion has to be used. The linesman wants gassing for his input on that incident, and so does the ref - and all of Huddersfield's players involved in the melee.
How come we were the only people in the ground who could see the situation was being manufactured by their team?

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 Post subject: Re: interesting angle on red on Huddersfiled site
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:01 pm 
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A lot of it comes down to the pathetic amount of protection that keepers get these days. If Nardiello had comitted the foul on an outfield player then would he have got sent off? Doubtful. What's the difference? There is nothing in the rules that say a foul on a goalie is any more severe than a foul on an outfield player so unless Nardiello was guilty of serious fould play then he should have remained on the pitch.

It's the same with goalies and strikers going for the same ball, the slightest bit of contact and the goalie gets the free kick. It's the single most frustrating decision in football.

Referees are doing their very best to deprive us of points and success this season and it's starting to fck me off!

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 Post subject: Re: interesting angle on red on Huddersfiled site
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:06 pm 
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Leethepoolie wrote:
Well if the ball was already dead , why did the keeper come charging towards nardiello did he have the intent of getting a fellow professional sent off ?????



Good point

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 Post subject: Re: interesting angle on red on Huddersfiled site
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:56 pm 
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I'm a bit confused here with the comparisons to Carlton Cole's challenge.

Now I haven't seen last night's challenge yet, but the general consensus on Cole's challenge was that he should have been sent off. The gerneral consensus on Nardiello's challenge is that he shouldn't have been sent off, yet people are saying the tackles are similar. sctatchinghead

You can't have it both ways.

For the record, I didn't think Cole's was a red. He had been knocked off his balance before he got his leg into Barrett's midriff/ball so there was no forward motion and no power behind the tackle. He just seem to put out his leg as he was falling.


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 Post subject: Re: interesting angle on red on Huddersfiled site
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:12 pm 
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I've only seen it on tv once and I think the nardiello challenge looks worse, hes going in at pace feet first and I looks as if the contact was with the keepers head which I know shouldnt make a difference - that said only one angle from last night not the two as in the Cole incident

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 Post subject: Re: interesting angle on red on Huddersfiled site
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:40 pm 
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cant a still be used for an appeal ?

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 Post subject: Re: interesting angle on red on Huddersfiled site
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:53 pm 
chip fireball wrote:
i vehemently defended cole on here after the game and have done so with nardiello.

as for the chalenge itself there is a superb photo in tonights mail of the challenge itself that clearly shows nardiellos foot contacting with the ball inches before it meets the keepers outstretched HANDS !!!





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 Post subject: Re: interesting angle on red on Huddersfiled site
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just seen it and to be fair dont think its that conclusive, ok ball not in keepers hands but you cant tell which direction he's sliding in from - it does show his studs are showing though - if those that were there say he made contact with the ball first thats good enough for me

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 Post subject: Re: interesting angle on red on Huddersfiled site
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:03 pm 
The keeper charged out and didn't even get a touch on the ball, yet because Nardiello crashed into him he gets sent off. Didn't the keeper come out with just as much momentum sctatchinghead Is football not a contact sport sctatchinghead


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PJ_Poolie wrote:
The keeper charged out and didn't even get a touch on the ball, yet because Nardiello crashed into him he gets sent off. Didn't the keeper come out with just as much momentum sctatchinghead Is football not a contact sport sctatchinghead


yes, it is now

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I remember when Nat Lofthouse used to bundle the goalie with the ball into the net and the goals stood.

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 Post subject: Re: interesting angle on red on Huddersfiled site
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:24 pm 
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chip fireball wrote:
dunno how to post a photo but it essentially shows nardiellos foot on the ball at the same time as it reaches the keepers outstretched fingers.

you can say the players studs are up, but for the love of god a players studs will always be off the ground if he is sliding for a ball.

it wasnt a stamp, it wasnt malicious, his foot clearly isnt over the top of the ball, and to me, watching it in real time, the player never took his eyes off the ball.

if thats a red card we may as well make the six yard box a no go zone for anyone bar the keeper like it is when you play 5 a side.


You can attach it below when you press reply. Click that thing that says browse and upload it. :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: interesting angle on red on Huddersfiled site
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:28 pm 
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just watched it off the tele in slow motion and as has been said he gets to the ball either at the same time or just before the keepers outsretched fingers - so surely worth an appeal

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 Post subject: Re: interesting angle on red on Huddersfiled site
PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:33 pm 
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just watched it off the tele in slow motion and as has been said he gets to the ball either at the same time or just before the keepers outsretched fingers - so surely worth an appeal


The thing Mr Reef even though what you are saying is correct they'll say that Nardiello went in with 'intent'. This was something invented to cover shite officials who when they see replays and the player got the ball they have an insurance policy called 'intent'.

It's frustrating but pointless, these not nice people won't give a club like Pools the time of day.


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 Post subject: Re: interesting angle on red on Huddersfiled site
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Did we not have a major foul given against us once....not because it was a foul but because the player intended to foul? I seem to remember something like that. sctatchinghead


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