First Fatty Owens and now this.....

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Mo ... 4869405.jp

it seems like they are all over the country,did you see that one on gmtv this morning about the driving instructor?

I did not, do explain

that was unbelievable to say the least

she was robbed but was that good a witness the judge felt the robber wouldnt get a fair trial

i honestly think some of these judges and magistrates have been in the system for so long that either they start to swallow the liberal, pro-offender bullshyte OR they are that scared of being pilloried by the liberal, over-protective organisations that are reliant on government hand-outs to 'rehabilitate' criminals OR they are so removed from society due to social 'standing.'

sadly I think it's all three of the above

what do i win

six months in Holme House

I heard that, incredible, the judge decided that she was far too nice a person for this thug to get a fair trial

I agree that Owens should be locked up regardless of his weight - and think letting him off is ridiculous, an absolute pisstake.
I also agree the driving instructor one is ridiculous.
However, though I think the robbery by these kids is disgusting I think they prob got the right sentence, espec as they are not prolific offenders. I know what an intensive supervision and surveillance order (with curfew and tag) is like - though I imagine most on here dont. Its the strictest order you can get. They have twelve hour curfews and if they do stray outside it will get picked up immediately and they will go back to court. As long as these orders are managed properly then if they take the piss they will go to Castington - a young offenders institution that is as violent as they come these days.

i've got a sore eyebrow, can i do three days ?

And you get to share a cell with fatty Owens

You can do the next three days for me if you like

no room at the inn

Will the same amount of time be afforded on the victims as the two turdcnuts who carried out the crime???

I wouldn't bank my next months rent on it......

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Sn ... 4876251.jp

Chances, Chances, Chances, Chances

totally different point in my opinion TA. Of course more should be done for victims, though plently think it wrong to give victims loads of money as compensation.
And there may be a lot of time spent on the two but it would cost a lot more to lock the two up
As for the chances, chances, chances well thats a completely different scenario. Obviously you need to take each case in isolation and look at the facts. As it is I wouldnt give a toss if this lad went to prison, just like I wouldnt give a toss if the two robbers got sent down either.

Fair points

But the facts seem to point to a life of crime does pay, £1200 odd quids worth of gear nicked, £150 compo paid, so £1050, not bad for a few hours 'graft'


With the two kids, a curfew isn't any great hardship in the scheme of things, keep your head down, do your 'bird' then go on the rob again, easier then getting up, waiting for the 1st bus of the day @5:30am in the freezing cold for a fiver an hour

Ah, the 'justice' system ... . at one time you smacked a three year old kid on the wrist for trying to touch the bar on an elctric fire, quick and effective. We've now reached the stage where that's not allowed so we ask them to do a risk assessment, replace the fire with underfloor heating, sue the manufacturer for producing such fires and reprimand the electric company for producing something as dangerous as electricity, we also employ a company of ambulance chasers to sue the estate of the builder who installed the fires and ask for suitable warning signs to be fitted along with a rubber suit for the child and the fitting of an earthing strip.
P.S ... it was nowt to do with Hartlepool Magistates by the way, it was Teesside Crown Court.

I still don't see how a nite time curfew, is a punishment, it sounds from the report that these attacks took place during the day, why not a full curfew and if they need to go out they telephone the monitor and tell them where,why and for how long they need to be out.

These attacks may sound like"school yard bullying" but such antics destroy lives, the victims will be affected for a long time to come, and may affect them for life, wondering who is around the next corner.

The whole point of a "society" and rules, laws is that we all behave in a way so we can life peacefully together, those that consistently disregard those laws do not deserve to live in the same way as those that do.

'school yard bullying'... my arse, the only group I detest more than the offenders is the defence lawyers who could downplay the war to a frontier dispute.