This is just awful, I didn't realise just how quickly it took hold.

Awful.

As if its under the tag of 'funny' yes, very funny that. I saw a documentary about it a few years ago i seem to recall, horrific.

Can't attempt to watch it. Saw it on the news when it happened and see no benefit in watching that tragic event again. Some things are best kept as a memory.

knocked me sick the bit with the guy on fire

and too think the f.a wanted fencing too keep fans in the terracing after this happend,shocking.

Dark days indeed , and Heysel only a couple of weeks later. Could of been our own Clarence Road stand , though I think that was too damp to catch hold like the one at Bradford, though it did catch fire in 1977 after a game against Watford when some kids threw some fireworks into it.At least Bradford was the death knell for probably the most ramshackle stand of them all.

The video is used as a training video for Fire recruits apparently, I am just stunned how quickly the fire took hold. Strange but I remember where I was as Hillsborough was unfolding but not the Bradford Fire.

What is doesnt show you though , is that a lot of spectators ran out the back of the stand . I think they they formed the bulk of those that perished.

Please remove this link from the site, all links to this video were supposed to have been removed from the net and the original footage shot by Yorkshire TV was never to be used again at the request of the relatives of those that perished.

Yes its used as a fire training video but serves no purpose to the general public and I dont think this site should be providing the link to something in such bad taste.

Sorry if you feel that Ive over re-acted but I dont believe we would wish to upset any relatives of the deceased - please show some respect and remove the link - we all know how much of a tradgedy the fire was but dont need this sort of graphic reminder

thank you

I totally concur.

I think I was at chester away when we lost one nil to a stuart rimmer penner

correct Katcha, I was sat on the bus next to big Ben, the Pools steward at the time (who drinks in the Jackson's now - great bloke) when the news came over the radio. Last game of the 84/85 season

It seems the link was deemed too offensive and has been removed.

I stumbled across the link via my 'anorak' like obsession with football grounds/stadia and personally didn't find it squeamish but titled the post accordingly, incase some chose not to view.

Clearly, my blatant warning was insufficient and for those that were offended I apologise but you didn't need to enter the link.

were you on the same bus as me and rookie?? - this will have been in your denim suit days and days of hair like this



aye auld benny - odd fella

I seem to remember it was a 35 seater or summat, definitely wasn't a 52 seater bus.
I also remember a couple of punch ups that day with me and a mate of mine from the Engineers involved

I posted the original request to remove the link and contacted the mods to have it removed as well - I do not appologise for my actions. You missed my point totally, no I'm not squeamish nor a prude but the link had no place on a board like this which is about football. It was out of respect to those that lost their lives, those that survived and their families, how would you feel if it was one of your relatives shown on fire or running for thier lives, would you want the link being circulated round the net - i think not.

I saw your warning, I did not click the link but Im sure others did out of curiosity, the more the link is shown on the net the less chance there is of it ever being lost for good (which it should be)- those that died will never be forgotton by their loved ones, and the day never forgotton by all at Bradford that were there that fatful day - it doesnt need that video to remind people of the tragic events of that sad day.

As I said in my original thread the link served no purpose to anyone and its me thats left scratching my head as to why you felt the need to post it in the first place -

Thanks to the mods for taking a sensible approach and removing the link

I think that is the key word - respect.

I deleted it, my reasons were not that it was offensive; tragedies happen and will continue to happen and I see little wrong in youngsters viewing the events of that day in the same way as theres nothing wrong in visting Belsen or looking at war footage. My issue with it was that it was uploaded onto a 'funny' website. Not uploaded by Mr Chessington I should add. It's that respect word again.

Not to be the lover of doom or anything, but I was really interested to see what that was. I did an article of Heysel not so long ago and I wanted to track down scenes from Valley Parade for context; I've never seen it. Tragedies do happen and it's awful either way, but it still serves a purpose to many - we learn from things like this. I don't think anyone aside from extreme Leeds supporters would ever take any comfort from the images; personally I'd still like (like's not the word, obviously) to look at the images just to see what was going on there (as I know very little about it).

I cant believe that you admit to only removing it as it was uploaded onto a 'funny website' this is not like visiting Belsen this was not war footage this was a tragic accident

Ginger Poolie - you can research such events privately, there is plenty written on the tradgedies and if you must see it then look it up privately but keep it to yourself - as was said the Fire Brigade used the Yorks TV as a training video and lessons were learned from the tragedy - and many similar stands demolished -

but please tell me what you have learned from looking at the images, or anyone else has from it being shown on this site - it has no place and I think that with comments such as this being made the whole thread should be removed - out of respect

It was removed out of respect but you can't delete history. Looking at those images you can't help but feel for the people on fire. The saddest image can't be seen, there was an old couple who died in their seats unable to move.

Images are part of history and they are worth remembering.

Good points.

Jesus.

I'm sure that those people who lost friends and relatives will have their own images of their loved ones without graphic reminders of the events of the day, which they would and have clearly stated that they want to forget and we should respect that

Exactly my point. There's a reason why these things are in the public domain.

Putting respect in bold doesn't back up an argument. You can describe a situation all you like but until you see it, you can't make a real judgement of the situation.

It's like anything else that people can take offence to - if you don't like it, don't look at it.

Me to Phil and that exit was chained locked both times i was in that stand.

Well done MrI.

This shouldn't be in the public domain - ok some irresponsible person has got hold of it and put it on the web that doesnt make it right and is against th wishes of the bereaved why did Yorkshire TV take the stand they did over the footage and I'll ask you again what have you learned from watching the video? What judgement have you made from watching it that you couldnt from just reading about it -

As I said I didnt take offence its a matter of respect - note lack of bold

can you not use that arguement for all deaths caught on camera
the aftermath of the lockerbie plane crash, the kids massacred in schools, no unnecessary death should be shown but it is.

reef - if people put it in web for fun or to mimic it then it should be banned - however i have seen it a few times now - and it was an important day in my family life/maturity, a sad day, a day of lessons and remembrance and anf important day for football too.

if people want to view it to see it, to understand, to research, to remember and feel sorrow then they should be allowed - i feel that your contribution to the thread, whilst probably good intentioned, somewhat pious.

Agreed.

I learned about where it started, the state of play and the way people reacted. The scale of the stand and fire was enormous and something I'd've never seen in my head without blowing it out of proportion.

A bit like this argument really - it seems a little too easy for you to jump to the highest of moral high grounds. Besides, they'd have to free the material up at some point as part of Freedom of Information, surely.

No need to talk about respect again, I get it.

I would probably agree with you about it being very pious if i only knew what it was

a bit aloof, talky down to, high moral ground, pontificating, snooty - that type of thing

its a bit more polite that stop prattling on you goon.

For the record, I agree with Katcha/Mr I/TGP, for very much the same reasons.
A tragedy like this doesn't belong to anyone, and reading about something is not the same as seeing it first hand.
Could anyone imagine the scale and horror of the WTC disaster, for example, without having seen all those images?

Using Mr Reefmonkeys argument, we shouldn't have been able to see any of the horror that happened that day in New York.

True, but on the other hand we were made by the media to watch it over and over again, in an orgy of sensationalism. Where do you draw the line?

It did get shown a hell of a lot at the time, it's true, Mrs G.
The thing is though, to keep this relevant to the Bradford issue, in ten or twenty years time it almost certainly won't be shown every five minutes in the media, and there will be a new generation to whom its viewing might provide an insight.

The point remains that the relatives of the deceased and the survivors have requested it be withdrawn and what ever your arguments we should all respect that - the link has been removed which is all I requested but its a shame others dont have the same respect for the wishes of the bereaved and draw this thread out into a debate

Well, I'm not sure there's a right answer or a right thing to say. Some people need to see this kind of footage for research purposes or to learn lessons, but I distrust the wholesale ogling of disasters by the rest of the population. War, and other horrible deaths, are totally imaginable to most of us without pictures.

Richard, why should future generations need to watch footage of previous disasters as well as those happening in their own times? They'll almost certainly have enough grief of their own, innit

Thats a good point - no doubt hundreds of thousands of people viewing such images I would imagine those with 'legitiamate' reasons i.e. research could be counted on the fingers of one hand.

Someone mentioned earlier about learning from peoples reactions in such circumstances, if you read first hand accounts of people their you could learn equally from the written word - for the majoity of people its a morbid interest or voyarism and nothing more - not one person on here has given a justifiale reason why they needed/wanted to look a the video.

ah so we're not allowed an opinion now

This (perhaps rhetorical) question is posed in the middle of many bunker debates, and the answer is, perhaps, 'Yes'.

Oh come on now. That horse must be on stilts because you're pretty bastard high on it. It's safe to say that we all have respect for the relatives of the deceased - by saying what you are, you're describing us as subhuman.

Again, may I reiterate the point that if it does not interest you, don't click on it. I can imagine you as one of these people who will complain to Ofcom about Wossy and Brand without having heard it. The internet has put us in the age of learning, and as someone who was born after this tragedy, I'm all the more informed for watching the footage.

Grabec, I don't see your point. Have disasters got a sell-by date?

Reefmonkey, the reason this has turned into a debate is that a shitload of people don't agree with you. I reiterate my reason: disasters don't belong to anybody; it's not up to those affected to say "respect me by not showing it".

I mean it's not as though we're getting that video rammed down our throats all the time. People have lost close ones in much more publicised circumstances.
For example, how many people have complained about Led Zeppelin album covers?

The World at War?

If we're talking purely about showing death and suffering then what exactly is the difference between this acclaimed tv series and footage of the Valley Parade disaster?

What about the Great Fire Of London. Must have been horrific but time heals wounds.

Well, you haven't answered my question yet.
People will do what they want and watch what they want, and I shall continue to question the motives of most of them.

and again I ask the question which no -one yet has answered and as Grabec has alluded to -what have you learned form the footage and how are you more informed other than satisifying a morbid sense of curiosity - it is this and not a need for knowledge or learning that gets people to click on such links - if it there was any other genuine reason then this thread would be full of them.

War footage is different this was an accident live coverage of such events is a fact of modern life in which technology allows such immediate coverage of events such as 9/11 indeed ITV (Yorks) showed the Bradford events unfold live a the time but at the request of relatives and survivors to not show it again they agreed and made a formal request for it to be withdrawn even threatening legal action against Youtube at the time, Yorks TV own the copyright of the footage and no one can distribute or shown it without their permission and if they were to be asked they would refuse, other than the fire training video made by professionals for use by professionals which I'm sure all can agreee is a real and legitimate reason to view the events were real learning can take place.

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