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 Post subject: Be Affraid Very Affraid.
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ICF.
Cass.
Green Street Elite.
Becksie's the firm.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:12 pm 
The Blue Order will take them.


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If Cas turns up I'm sure we'll be having a night out with him!!!! :coool: :grin:


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That was my first thought also. rolfl

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 Post subject: Re: Be Affraid Very Affraid.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:22 pm 
The big question is . . . Will PoK be coming to the big match?


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Cass.


The blokes a dim witted thug, nothing more. How this arsehole gets hero worshipped by other like minded people is beyond my comprehension.


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 Post subject: Re: Be Affraid Very Affraid.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:25 pm 
I though the Blue Order was no more? Who will protect us now? Maybe the Loids could send over their "TOP BOYS" to help protect us from those cheeky chappy cockney types??

There supporters don't attend the Arena so they should be free that day.......... :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Be Affraid Very Affraid.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:29 pm 
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mouldy old dough wrote:
Cass.


The blokes a dim witted thug, nothing more. How this arsehole gets hero worshipped by other like minded people is beyond my comprehension.


I'd never heard of the bloke so I've just googled 'Cass' this is where it got me;

http://www.casspennant.com/

"Cass Pennant was a central figure in West Ham’s notorious InterCity Firm. His ability to fight his way out of any corner ensured that he commanded the respect of his peers and the fear of his enemies"

What the fook rolfl rolfl stpid Laughable!!


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 Post subject: Re: Be Affraid Very Affraid.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:31 pm 
Mr I wrote:
mouldy old dough wrote:
Cass.


The blokes a dim witted thug, nothing more. How this arsehole gets hero worshipped by other like minded people is beyond my comprehension.


That's a bit harsh calling Mouldy and Mutley dim witted thugs! :laugh:


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I was referring to the arsewipe that is Cass Pennant .


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 Post subject: Re: Be Affraid Very Affraid.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:30 pm 
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I was referring to the arsewipe that is Cass Pennant .


That's right....call a bloke who you don't even know or have ever met!!!! :roll: :roll:

Prejudice....[sigh]!!!! :roll:


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His film is complete and utter toss.

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Mr I wrote:
I was referring to the arsewipe that is Cass Pennant .


That's right....call a bloke who you don't even know or have ever met!!!! :roll: :roll:

Prejudice....[sigh]!!!! :roll:


Sorry Mutt but we're going to disagree by miles on this one. The bloke is a thug, a bully, the sort of character that give niggers a bad name, he is a nonentity of a shithouse, the sort of creep that sang 'no surrender to the IRA' and would have crapped himself if faced with an hour on the streets of Belfast. He was the sort of amoeba that was instrumental of the type in the creation of the English hooligan disease. The sooner he is off this planet the better.


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 Post subject: Re: Be Affraid Very Affraid.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:00 pm 
We'll be good boys and not hurt you, I promise. Well, not while Millwall are nearby, at any rate :wink:


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:roll:

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We'll be good boys and not hurt you, I promise. Well, not while Millwall are nearby, at any rate :wink:


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We'll be good boys and not hurt you, I promise. Well, not while Mlillwall are nearby, at any rate :wink:


If we're going full pelt for cliches; don't forget the jellied ells and shandy, yer southern poof! :laugh:


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 Post subject: Re: Be Affraid Very Affraid.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:05 pm 
Mr I wrote:
MutleyRules wrote:
Mr I wrote:
I was referring to the arsewipe that is Cass Pennant .


That's right....call a bloke who you don't even know or have ever met!!!! :roll: :roll:

Prejudice....[sigh]!!!! :roll:


Sorry Mutt but we're going to disagree by miles on this one. The bloke is a thug, a bully, the sort of character that give niggers a bad name, he is a nonentity of a shithouse, the sort of creep that sang 'no surrender to the IRA' and would have crapped himself if faced with an hour on the streets of Belfast. He was the sort of amoeba that was instrumental of the type in the creation of the English hooligan disease. The sooner he is off this planet the better.


I like the bits were you say....'Sort of Bloke....'....so in other words you're not sure if he would sing those type of songs etc etc!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Be Affraid Very Affraid.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:06 pm 
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Me too. Aggrandissment of hooligans is shiit, Mutley.

(waits for "You don't understand" bit...) :roll:


Feck-off Phil!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You know my feelings these days about the above!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:16 pm 
I was being a sarcastic git, sorry. I couldn't care less about this hooligan malarky, i'm here for the football.


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I really hope Brian Cant doesn't turn up for this game, he won't know which way to look with all their fans calling his name.

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Another bit of fun thread gone into serious mode.
Lighten up people unless you really think the cast from Cass. Green Street and The Firm are really coming to pools. sadx

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we should be ok, look under top boys on casses web site half off hartlepool are on it :laugh:


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 Post subject: Re: Be Affraid Very Affraid.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:37 pm 
mouldy old dough wrote:
Another bit of fun thread gone into serious mode.
Lighten up people unless you really think the cast from Cass. Green Street and The Firm are really coming to pools. sadx


Well said!!!! clappp clappp clappp

Don't you just hate it when people get all serious!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

Image's!!!! :laugh:


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I'm sure there is a picture of MOD on his site.... :shock:

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I'm sure there is a picture of MOD on his site.... :shock:
He looks to fat for me Chris.... rolfl

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His film is complete and utter toss.


Great post!!!! clappp clappp clappp

Fair enough that is your opinion....but the Film was about his Life....maybe you should get a Film made about yours....you never know it could be a Blockbuster!!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:15 pm 
If there's still any doubt in anyones mind about how hard 'Cass' is or anyone still questions his status as an all round 'top boy' when it comes to 'toe to toe' here's a picture of him off his website with 'Nasty' Nick Cotton;

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 Post subject: Re: Be Affraid Very Affraid.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:16 pm 
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Tell you what Mutt, I'd rather have PoK's "Life" than a lifetime kicking people's heads in!


Obviously you haven't seen the Film then Phil!!!! :laugh: rolfl rolfl :laugh:

The film is more about how he dealt with the racism and bullying he has had to endure from been a small boy in Dr.Barnados to the present day....not much Hooligan scenes in the film at all to tell you the truth!!!! confised :grin:


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I agree with Elvis on this one this is 2009, we should have plenty of police to cover the game and if we're on a separate day from Newcastle.


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 Post subject: Re: Be Affraid Very Affraid.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:00 pm 
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I agree with Elvis on this one this is 2009, we should have plenty of police to cover the game and if we're on a separate day from Newcastle.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:05 pm 
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Or should that read....Barnados Boy becomes self made Millionaire who has lots of people slagging him off behind his back due to jealousy but who would never say it to his face....ever!!!! Image


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Or bully makes loads of dosh beating innocent people up then selling his story to the gullible. Trut me Mutts, I ain't jealous of him.


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Who did he bully.

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Nobody obviously. He was a clean living lad who never hurt a soul.


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You and whos army.


I'll explain the irony of that some day.


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This film about football hooliganism should be better than the others, and not just because that gormless Danny Dyer is nowhere to be seen. It’s based on the true story of Karol ‘Cass’ Pennant, a black boy with a girl’s name, who was raised by an elderly white couple in 1960s east London and became a head hooligan with a West Ham United firm. This should be an insightful story with something to say about identity, about violence, about the blind loyalty football seems to encourage, but it isn’t. Cass is merely about a thug who wants credit for all sorts of unworthy things: getting “respect” from white working class football fans in racist Britain, loving his ol’ mum, and ultimately, for not killing or beating people up any more. You’re not supposed to murder! You’re not supposed to smash people’s faces in! You’re supposed to love your mother! And who cares that some well-built, 6′5″ bloke managed to gain a fearsome reputation for violence!? If he was 5′2″ and blind with cerebral palsy and then became a notorious thug, perhaps, just maybe there would be some real achievement involved. As it is, this film tries so hard to make you like its protagonist, to celebrate his mostly insignificant exploits and present him as a hero that you can’t help but think of Cass Pennant (upon whose autobiography this film is based) as being desperately insecure, despite all the bravado.

The film opens in 1993. Cass is gunned down and his pompous voice over speaks of violence being “all part of the game… until nahh!” We jump back to his childhood and the VO continues to guide us with varying success. After some racist bullying, the ten year old Cass is seen scrubbing his arms with soap and what should have been a poignant scene is ruined by the glib narration, “I never did get any whiter!” This proves typical of the film, as all other interesting parts are delivered with equally simple-minded storytelling. Its structure is borrowed from Goodfellas, the shooting at the beginning sets up the final act, but it never achieves anything like the frenetic pace or intricate detail of Scorsese’s masterpiece. A half-hearted attempt is made at depicting the hooligan culture; a patchy soundtrack of reggae pop does an incomplete job of setting the scene. Likewise, Cass’s gang boast of being the most fashionable hooligans around, but although this may have been true, there is no coherent style in the film. A much more accurate depiction of this culture can be found in Shane Meadows’ This is England.

The main problem with Cass is that it wants its cake, wants to eat it, but doesn’t want to pay for it. Cass may renounce violence in the end but the film is so busy justifying hooliganism the rest of the time, his choice to stop seems arbitrary. The case is made that hooliganism is a healthy outlet for the country’s glut of unemployed young men, or “Maggie’s millions” as they are called here too often. But it also lets the employed off the hook by saying office boys have a right to vent too. And because firms only fought other firms, those involved were consenting adults and so there were no victims. Cass even goes so far as to say they didn’t put as much strain on the NHS as drinkers and smokers. And if all this wasn’t didactic enough, a violent pre-emptive attack on a Newcastle firm in a working men’s club is intercut with Margaret Thatcher talking to the press in her snooty voice, demanding the audience make an emphatic choice; you’re either with us or you’re a puppet of an out-of-touch elite.

The case against hooliganism is never made, not even incidentally. You’d think all this carnage would see Cass and his two best mates with broken arms or black eyes, but there’s barely a cut or a bruise in the film. Nearer the end things do get bloodier but this comes from the script raising the stakes, the need for a dramatic climax, and not from an authentic depiction of football violence. The only gruesome damage we’re shown is the aftermath of a Stanley-knife attack on Cass’s best mate, and that’s used to justify yet another beating. The trauma of being slashed by knives and the psychological damage of having to live with a horrifically scarred up face is never even addressed. And for all its political posturing and folk hero sentimentality, the film never ventures into a football stadium where we’d have seen plenty of innocent victims, working class and unemployed ones at that, being terrorized by the selfish brutality of the hooligans.

So what we are left with is a self-serving, dishonest portrayal of hooliganism that romanticises violence, pays only lip-service to redemption, and cashes in on tedious criminality.


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What plenty of toe to toe, no scarfers, top boys, proper firm, light OB presence etc etc.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:32 pm 
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This film about football hooliganism should be better than the others, and not just because that gormless Danny Dyer is nowhere to be seen. It’s based on the true story of Karol ‘Cass’ Pennant, a black boy with a girl’s name, who was raised by an elderly white couple in 1960s east London and became a head hooligan with a West Ham United firm. This should be an insightful story with something to say about identity, about violence, about the blind loyalty football seems to encourage, but it isn’t. Cass is merely about a thug who wants credit for all sorts of unworthy things: getting “respect” from white working class football fans in racist Britain, loving his ol’ mum, and ultimately, for not killing or beating people up any more. You’re not supposed to murder! You’re not supposed to smash people’s faces in! You’re supposed to love your mother! And who cares that some well-built, 6′5″ bloke managed to gain a fearsome reputation for violence!? If he was 5′2″ and blind with cerebral palsy and then became a notorious thug, perhaps, just maybe there would be some real achievement involved. As it is, this film tries so hard to make you like its protagonist, to celebrate his mostly insignificant exploits and present him as a hero that you can’t help but think of Cass Pennant (upon whose autobiography this film is based) as being desperately insecure, despite all the bravado.

The film opens in 1993. Cass is gunned down and his pompous voice over speaks of violence being “all part of the game… until nahh!” We jump back to his childhood and the VO continues to guide us with varying success. After some racist bullying, the ten year old Cass is seen scrubbing his arms with soap and what should have been a poignant scene is ruined by the glib narration, “I never did get any whiter!” This proves typical of the film, as all other interesting parts are delivered with equally simple-minded storytelling. Its structure is borrowed from Goodfellas, the shooting at the beginning sets up the final act, but it never achieves anything like the frenetic pace or intricate detail of Scorsese’s masterpiece. A half-hearted attempt is made at depicting the hooligan culture; a patchy soundtrack of reggae pop does an incomplete job of setting the scene. Likewise, Cass’s gang boast of being the most fashionable hooligans around, but although this may have been true, there is no coherent style in the film. A much more accurate depiction of this culture can be found in Shane Meadows’ This is England.

The main problem with Cass is that it wants its cake, wants to eat it, but doesn’t want to pay for it. Cass may renounce violence in the end but the film is so busy justifying hooliganism the rest of the time, his choice to stop seems arbitrary. The case is made that hooliganism is a healthy outlet for the country’s glut of unemployed young men, or “Maggie’s millions” as they are called here too often. But it also lets the employed off the hook by saying office boys have a right to vent too. And because firms only fought other firms, those involved were consenting adults and so there were no victims. Cass even goes so far as to say they didn’t put as much strain on the NHS as drinkers and smokers. And if all this wasn’t didactic enough, a violent pre-emptive attack on a Newcastle firm in a working men’s club is intercut with Margaret Thatcher talking to the press in her snooty voice, demanding the audience make an emphatic choice; you’re either with us or you’re a puppet of an out-of-touch elite.

The case against hooliganism is never made, not even incidentally. You’d think all this carnage would see Cass and his two best mates with broken arms or black eyes, but there’s barely a cut or a bruise in the film. Nearer the end things do get bloodier but this comes from the script raising the stakes, the need for a dramatic climax, and not from an authentic depiction of football violence. The only gruesome damage we’re shown is the aftermath of a Stanley-knife attack on Cass’s best mate, and that’s used to justify yet another beating. The trauma of being slashed by knives and the psychological damage of having to live with a horrifically scarred up face is never even addressed. And for all its political posturing and folk hero sentimentality, the film never ventures into a football stadium where we’d have seen plenty of innocent victims, working class and unemployed ones at that, being terrorized by the selfish brutality of the hooligans.

So what we are left with is a self-serving, dishonest portrayal of hooliganism that romanticises violence, pays only lip-service to redemption, and cashes in on tedious criminality.


Quality Film Review that one....now try another one you 'pompous holier than thou divvy kunt'!!!! :roll: :laugh: :laugh:


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Quality Film Review that one....now try another one you 'pompous holier than thou divvy kunt'!!!! :roll: :laugh: :laugh:


Not nice Mutt, not nice.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:36 pm 
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Give me the tools of my trade eg: a ghillie suit and an L42, and I'd take him down every single time.

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Fucking Action Man!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Been speaking to a few members of the board tonight by various means and all of us said at one point....and this is no bullshit....

'I wonder when he'll mention something about the Army'!!!!

Fecking Beauty!!!!


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:37 pm 
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Quality Film Review that one....now try another one you 'pompous holier than thou divvy kunt'!!!! :roll: :laugh: :laugh:


Not nice Mutt, not nice.


But it's ok for you to call people 'Kunts'???? sctatchinghead sctatchinghead sctatchinghead


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