I was at a party yesterday and had a very interesting conversation with someone that has close contact with the club.
Last Monday Turner and Hodcroft, having both become disillusioned with Wilson's lack of enthusiasm decided to call him into The Vic from the training ground for a confrontation.
They had both been frustrated that Wilson was doing the minimum necessary to carry out the job. No extra's like meet the fans, meet the sponsors, question and answer sessions, visits to local clubs etc. Apparantly he rarely spoke or listened to anything Ian Butterworth had to say or suggested teamwise.
They were also suspicious that he had applied for other jobs while at Pools. (Huddersfield comes to mind).
Wilson and Hodcroft had a meeting for a couple of hours. Both emerged from the meeting room smiling. I guess they both got what they wanted. Wilson got his 6 month contract paid up and freedom to seek another job and Hodcroft got rid of someone that wasn't completely committed.
It all adds up. Wilsons apathy, which was evident in his demeanour and was affecting the players and the club as a whole and Hodcofts determination that while everyone was giving 100% to the cause, they were being let down by Wilson's attitude. Hodcroft wasn't going to allow that to continue.

Wasn't he 'sacked' on Monday?

Sorry, yes it was Monday. Hence the edit.

sorry but i find that hard to believe. Just because wilson didnt show emotion didnt mean he didnt give a shit. Just sounds like someone making shit up to be honest

so does that mean hodcroft and turner will now do qwuestion and answer sessions in the local clubs.

Load of bull s££t mate. DOnt believe any of it. sorry

Why be so adamant and dismissive? It's sounds as plausible a rumour as I've heard, Wilson's biggest fault fault was his distance between the fans people had complained about it on here on several occasions.

"so does that mean hodcroft and turner will now do qwuestion and answer sessions in the local clubs."

I doubt Hodcroft will. But when has he ever? and why should he. He works foe IOR and Pools is only part of his remit. Chairmen don't do these Q&A sessions, Manager's do. Turner did loads when he was in charge previously and I'm sure he'll do more soon. In fact you can bank on it.

One thing Ken Hodcroft has always been very concerned about is the club's profile. I'm not sure this extends to the way the manager treats its fans, however. Nonetheless, I'd say this explanation is as plausible as any other we've heard.

Well said.

A very believable version of events. Cant remember the last time Wilson had a fans talk in, the last one which was organised by bbc tees I think was taken by butterworth. As for passion for the job, from what we the fans saw it didn't amount to much and if there's one thing the fans want its the manager showing a bit of passion during the 90 minutes.

Or at least the mascot showing it before kick off with a blow up doll...

Part of Turner's Interview, after he took over, mentioned not wanting to appoint a new Manager who was just looking for a job, and not having a interest or affilliation with Pools. Was that a dig at Wilson's style of management?

Have to have a word with Scott about that, not sure he'll oblige mind he might end up becoming Mayor

Sounds very plausible to me. For a while I have wondered why there have been no Q&A sessions with fans as there were in the past. I thought it might have been because IOR didn't want Wilson to do them but it could well be that Wilson himself refused.

I think he was a bit disillusioned - lack of money, basically treading water etc and this could well have rubbed off onto the players. If that's the case then this was a good move on IOR's part.

it does sound plausible yes. However everybody connected with the game thought dw was the bees knees so to speak. My point is just because he didnt show passion doesnt mean he didnt give a shit

Most likely reason iv heard so far. Would have helped if he actually lived round here instead of in Yorkshire.

have they moved chesterfield into yorkshire

Good old Tree. Wrong as usual!

Some truth here for once

About Chesterfield not being in Yorkshire?

Too true.

sounds as plausible as the other rumours

fight with monky

by passing his superiors

or the dressing room mafia again

applying for jobs elsewhere

what ever the reason i thank the chairman for an early christmas box
i would go for no 2

First time for everything. Had no idea where he lived but knew it wasnt in or around or town so took a stab.

Was no Turner fan but he at least showed his intentions when he bought that very nice house pretty sharpish after coming.

I don't think Turner would be tempted away again in future, even if he did do well for Pools a second time and another really big job offer came his way. I think he's learned a lot from his bad experiences - and who knows, we could have another Dario Gradi in the making.
If he thought he could make a success of it himself, I think he'd like to stick it out for the long run. He'll certainly get looked after by IOR, and I think they are also more likely to re-affirm their long term committment to Pools and back Turner, while he is in charge of team affairs.

Because danny boy was commenting on the Hull match ... that speaks volumes to me.

Commentating on Hull doing what?! They weren't even playing.

Check.

Ok, I've checked. Hull weren't playing.

The day after or two days after, Wilson deided to commentate on a Hull game but couldnt be arsed to do a north east radio discussion a day ro two before.

So you say.

The day after butterworth was on the radio was a Friday (hull weren't playing) and on the Saturday he was at the vic for our win over Brighton.

If you're gonna hammer a guy then at least make sure what you're talking about is true.

So who was the bloke sounding like Wilson commentating on Hull?

Wilson out!!!

Wilson did commentate on the Hull game around the time he missed his interview.

Cassy only appears and posts to argue with people, all really boring.

You tell me when he was commentating on Hull, I'll tell you when butterworth was on tees.

And tree, the only reason i post is when things annoy me. And it annoys me when people get unfair criticism from people who are just making stuff up. It's gone from being "he commentated on the same night" to "it was a day or two after" to "it was around the same time".

But if it's boring to say something that you disagree with then so be it.

End of the day i couldnt give a shit when he was commentating on Hull, it was around the time he couldnt be arsed with Radio Tees. Fact is the man was a 'lovely lovely person'. He had no time for us fans, whether in person or in terms of media and to be honest he had nothing likeable about him at all. The fact he cancelled plans to do a LOCAL radio interview but is more than happy to commentate on some shite Premier League game says it all. Plus add to that the fact he still lived however many miles away and saw it as a chore to come to Hartlepool. Good fucking riddance.

Not wanting to sound pedantic mate but you aren't even right, Butterworth was on a Thursday night I remember it was the week we beat Huddersfield 5-3. Wilson was on Five Live in the same week co-commenting on a Hull game, yet couldn't be arsed to address his own fans on a local radio station. Tees advertised that is was going to be Wilson on as well, the programme starts and it's Butterworth (who spoke very well). No wonder people didn't warm to Wilson.

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Nice one pj.

Wednesday 29th October Hull v Chelsea on Radio 5

Isn't that what I said PJ?

Yes now you have edited it.

You got your point accross real well

butterworth was on tees on thursday 23rd october, two days later we beat brighton. i've not edited it, I just don't think it's right when people get hammered for stuff that isn't true.

Sorry you did I thought you were saying he was on the radio on a Friday, the point I'm making is that it sent the wrong message to Pools fans, people had been crying out for a fans forum with Wilson or to have a chance to ask him questions on any platform. Yet he cancels without any explanation offered, and less than a week later he's on national radio commentating on a Premiership game. What sort of message does that send out?

Yawn.

He would rather commentate on prem games than talk to our fans. Argument over.

Sounds reasonable, from what i heard Turner and Green wern't big fans of Wilsons and some of the things he tried to do.

Er. what isn't 'true' ... did Wilson commentate on a match at Hull the same week Butterworth was answering questions on Tees...?

Come on Snowy, your original comment was that butterworth was answering the questions because wilson was commentating in hull. you can hardly say that was the case if the game he was commentating on was six days later.

Anyway, let's just leave it cos there's no point keeping on arguing about something that doesn't really matter.

I can just imagine it First game back at Scunny as H'Angus and he brings a blow up doll, I'D be Hung there and then

Of course it matters or you wouldn't be discussing the point. In all honesty I actually believed he was commentating within a day or so, but that's not the point really is it... ? If he can go to Hull to commenate on a match, but can't get round to answering fans questions about his own team, there have to be some bleedin obvious conclusions drawn.

Going back to the original point of this thread.

In that Wilson left because of a lack of enthusiasm. It is as believable as some of the others going around are.

On the night of the 18th October, after we had come back from 2-0 at Walsall, I posted a thread called we got the 3 points within that thread I put the following comment.

MAYBE the fact we came back kept Wilson in a job, I dont say that likely, until today I had never really seen him celebrate goals scored by us. Today he was almost on the pitch punching and celebrating the first 2 goals, I cant comment on the third I was celebrating to much myself. Perhaps he knew a defeat would see him go soon.

I believe and this is just an opinion, that something is going on behind the scenes.

Do the player's want to play for Wilson ?

Have any of the player's got problem's with other player's ?

That win was the 1st of 4 ,since the last win of that sequence, Carlisle on October 28th, Wilson's record was no win in 6. Just maybe what I saw at Walsall with his celebration was as I called it. Winning 4 on the trot would have made it extremely difficult for Pools' to dispense with his services. Not winning in 6 makes it a lot easier.

Just maybe before Sweeney got the first back in the 72nd minute and Brown scored the winner in the 83 rd minute, Wilson was 18 minutes from the sack then.


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