All Prime Ministers have good points, Jesus I bet even Idi Amin had his good points

Unlikely.

H Jones. Now there was a hero.

Congratulations. That was the biggest pile of uninformed rubbish it has ever been my misfortune to read on the subject.

Yes it was a threat. A massive threat. It was pretty much the biggest weapons platform on the seas at the time. Had they parked that thing in Stanley harbour they could have bombarded us in San Carlos 80 miles away. We would undoubtedly have lost. As for its position when it was sunk; it had been weaving in and out of the TEZ for days but its overall direction was that of a pincer movement with their carried 'Venticinco de Mayo'. They were a massive threat to the carrier group.

The Peruvian plan... do me a favour! It was so biased it could have been written by Galtieri.

I don't believe Jones deserved the VC. I don't even think he deserved a medal other than the campaign medal. Jones completely lost the plot on that ridge. I know a couple of the lads who followed him up that hill and one thing I am certain of is that he was not shot in the back contrary to rumour.

2 Para on the other hand deserved the VC as a battalion no question. Goose Green although a pointless battle was won against all the odds and produced many heroes like Stevie Illingsworth and Dave Abols. The latter certainly deserved the VC but had to content himself with a DCM. H Jones VC...... nah.

Spoken from the man who would willingly have sex with old maggie tomorrow
Never been a war hero mself like

OK I'll tell you how it was, the Belgrano was operating to the south of the total exclusion zone accompanied by destroyers. They were playing a game of cat and mouse by going into the zone then coming out and then re-entering repeatedly, it's all documented. Just because a vessel is sailing away from the direction of the action, is a total irrelevance inasmuch it can change direction in minutes, it was in the zone and as long as it's there it's a threat. The German battleship Bismark was sailing away from the action when it was sunk, but was sunk because it was a threat, it's called 'war', it's not a computer game or a case of 'no after you' ...you play to win in this game.
just because the Sun had a shit headline, don't let that cloud your judgement, no one who has the responsibility, enjoys or cheers when someone is killed in this manner, it's not like the pictures, it's not nice, but war's like that.

Yup, no ones gonna agree on this one the myths and the prejudice will ensure that ...........

i don't recall you and me ever having any cross words, but that is an absolute sack of shyte. the argentinians gambled that we wouldn't attack them and sink the belgrano because it was heading away from our exclusion zone, and apologosts in this country are the ONLY people who use this as a stick to beat Thatcher/The Navy/any other nasty reactionary fookers they can think of. they even said themselves it was a legitimate attack. i'm just waiting for some 'lovely lovely person' to label the falklands an 'illegal war'. stupid fookin term. is there someone somewhere who rubber-stamps these things ?

fookin shyte.

One of the funniest things I've ever seen on here. Brilliant!

On a separate note, 50 grand was a good bingo jackpot back in 1982

Brilliant!!!!

That was lame and frankly unworthy of you.
I have never put myself up as a war hero. I can name you plenty from the Falklands and numerous other forgotten wars but given that I'm still breathing I don't qualify.

That I do agree with and I have yet to meet a British veterans who doesn't think likewise.

I think you can and shouold be described as such Mr I.

Naw... I appreciate the sentiment but not me mate.

In particular good mates left in the mud....Paddy Begley, Paul Callen, Steve Tidmarsh, Doc Murdoch, Colin Davidson, Stevie Illingsworth. RIP lads.


Pte Richard Absolon
PO Michael Adcock
AEM Adrian Anslow
MEM Frank Armes
AB Derek Armstrong
Rfm Raymond Armstrong
Sgt John Arthy
WO2 Malcolm Atkinson
Staff Sgt John Baker
Lt Cdr David Balfour
Lt Cdr Richard Banfield
AB Andrew Barr
Lt James Barry
Lt Cdr Gordon Batt
Cpl William Begley
L Cpl Gary Bingley
AB Ian Boldy
PO David Briggs
PO Peter Brouard
Pte Gerald Bull
L Cpl Barry Bullers
Cpl Paul Bunker
L Cpl Anthony Burke
Cpl Robert Burns
Pte Jason Burt
CPO John Caddy
Marine Paul Callan
MEA Paul Callus
L/Sgt James Carlyle
PO Kevin Casey
Bosun Chee Yu Sik
L Cpl Simon Cockton
Pte Albert Connett
Catering Assistant Darryl Cope
L Cpl Anthony Cork
Pte Jonathan Crow
Sgt Philip Currass
Lt William Curtis
Guardsman Ian Dale
Sgt Sid Davidson
Marine Colin Davison
A/PO Stephen Dawson
Guardsman Derek Denholm
Capt Christopher Dent
Elect Fitter Dis Leung Chau
Pte Stephen Dixon
A/WEM John Dobson
Pte Mark Dodsworth
Cook Richard Dunkerley
Guardsman Michael Dunphy
Butcher Dis Sung Yuk Fai
Cook Brian Easton
Sgt Clifford Elley
Sub Lt Richard Emly
Sgt Roger Enefer
Sgt Andrew Evans
Cpl Kenneth Evans
Guardsman Peter Edwards
CPO Anthony Eggington
Lt Cdr John Eyton-Jones
PO Robert Fagan
L Cpl Ian Farrell
C/Sgt Gordon Findlay
Cpl Peter Fitton
CPO Edmund Flanagan
Pte Mark Fletcher
A/Ldg Cook Michael Foote
MEM Stephen Ford
Major Michael Forge
PO Michael Fowler
Lt Kenneth Francis
WO2 Laurence Gallagher
Sapper Pradeep Gandhi
Guardsman Mark Gibby
Guardsman Glenn Grace
Guardsman Paul Green
Pte Anthony Greenwood
L Cpl Brett Giffen
Cook Nigel Goodall
S/Sgt Christopher Griffen
Marine Robert Griffin
Guardsman Gareth Griffiths
Pte Neil Grose
3rd Eng Officer Christopher Hailwood
WEM Ian Hall
Capt Gavin Hamilton
A/Steward Shaun Hanson
Cpl David Hardman
Cpl William Hatton
Flt Lt Garth Hawkins
AB Sean Hayward
Lt Rodney Heath
AEM Mark Henderson
2nd Eng Officer Paul Henry
AB Stephen Heyes
L Cpl Peter Higgs
AEM Brian Hinge
Chief Radio Officer Ronald Hoole
Cpl Stephen Hope
Guardsman Denis Hughes
Guardsman Gareth Hughes
Sgt William Hughes
A/Sgt Ian Hunt
Pte Peter Hedicker
Pte Stephen Illingsworth
MEA Alexander James
Guardsman Brian Jasper
Pte Timothy Jenkins
C/Sgt Brian Johnston
Sapper Christopher Jones
Pte Craig Jones
Pte Michael Jones
Lieut Colonel Herbert Jones
Cpl Philip Jones
Sailor Kam Yung Shui
Guardsman Anthony Keeble
L/Sgt Kevin Keoghane
Laundryman Lai Chi Keung
Laundryman Kyo Ben Kwo
LMEM Allan Knowles
Pte Stewart Laing
WEM Simon Lawson
CPO David Lee
Sgt Robert Leeming
MEM Alistair Leighton
L Cpl Paul Lightfoot
Cpl Michael Love
L Cpl Christopher Lovett
Cpl Douglas MacCormack
Marine Gordon Macpherson
Cook Brian Malcolm
Guardsman David Malcolmson
Guardsman Michael Marks
Naval Airman Brian Marsden
Ldg Cook Tony Marshall
Marine Stephen McAndrews
Cpl Keith McCarthy
AEA Kelvin McCullum
Cpl Michael McHugh
Sgt Ian McKay
L Cpl Peter McKay
Cpl Stewart McLaughlin
Cpl Andrew McIlvenny
AEA Allan McAuley
Pte Thomas Mechan
Cpl Michael Melia
Pte Richard Middlewick
A/LMEM David Miller
L/Sgt Clark Mitchell
Guardsman Christopher Mordecai
3rd Eng Off Andrew Morris
A/Ldg Seaman Michael Mullen
L Cpl James Murdoch
Lt Brian Murphy
Ldg PT Inst Gary Nelson
L Cpl Stephen Newbury
Cpl John Newton
Guardsman Gareth Nicholson
PO Anthony Norman
Marine Michael Nowak
Lieut Richard Nunn
Major Roger Nutbeam
Staff Sgt Patrick O'Connor
Cook David Osborne
A/WEM David Ozbirn
A/PO Andrew Palmer
Pte David Parr
Guardsman Colin Parsons
L Cpl John Pashley
MEM Terence Perkins
Guardsman Eirwyn Phillips
Marine Keith Phillips
Seaman Po Ng
Guardsman Gareth Poole
Staff Sgt James Prescott
Pte Kenneth Preston
Cpl Stephen Prior
L/AEM Donald Pryce
Guardsman James Reynolds
Cook John Roberts
Lt Cdr Glen Robinson-Moltke
Craftsman Mark Rollins
Sgt Ronald Rotherham
Guardsman Nigel Rowberry
Marine Anthony Rundle
L/Cook Mark Sambles
L Cpl David Scott
Pte Ian Scrivens
Lt Cdr John Sephton
Craftsman Alexander Shaw
Seaman Shing Chan Chai
L/Cook Anthony Sillence
Sgt John Simeon
Pte Francis Slough
Cpl Jeremy Smith
Pte Mark Holman-Smith
L Cpl Nigel Smith
Cpl Ian Spencer
L/Radio Op Bernard Still
Guardsman Archibald Stirling
AB Matthew Stuart
Steward Mark Stephens
MEA Geoffrey Stockwell
L Cpl Anthony Streatfield
Steward John Stroud
CPO Kevin Sullivan
Cook Andrew Swallow
L Cpl Philip Sweet
A/WEA David Strickland
AB Adrian Sunderland
Cpl Paul Sullivan
Cpl Stephen Sykes
Sapper Wayne Tabard
Guardsman Ronald Tanbini
L Cpl Christopher Thomas
Guardsman Glyn Thomas
L Cpl Nicholas Thomas
Guardsman Raymond Thomas
CPO Michael Till
Lt David Tinker
MEM Stephen Tonkin
A/Cook Ian Turnbull
Cpl Andrew Uren
PO Colin Vickers
Cpl Laurence Watts
Guardsman James Weaver
Guardsman Andrew Walker
PO Barry Wallis
Cpl Edward Walpole
L Cpl Christopher Ward
Master at Arms Brian Welsh
WO2 Daniel Wight
A/Ldg Marine Eng Mech Garry Whitford
Ldg Cook Adrian Wellstead
Pte Philip West
Sgt Malcolm Wigley
A/WEA Philip White
A/LMEM Stephen White
Guardsman David Williams
MEM Gilbert Williams
Apprentice Ian Williams
Cook Kevin Williams
Marine David Wilson
Cpl Scott Wilson
Capt David Wood
Lt Cdr John Woodhead
Capt Ian North
John Dobson
Frank Foulkes
James Hughes
David Hawkins
Ernest Vickers

I've always wondered. What's a bosun? I remember backing a horse called Bosun's Mate.

Maybe Jeremy Paxman should ask Diane Gould if she would have killed Hitler as a child, given the opportunity?

I was fuming watching that video. As Snowy said; yes it was pointing away but it had a big steering wheel and was definitely in a dangerous position. By the way, you can sail west and shoot Eastwards. I feel for the 323 Argies who perished on that bucket but they were sailing with bad intentions.

To be honest. Watching that video and reading other stuff has changed my opinion on the sinking and that of Maggie to an extent. I liked her hubby's reaction:

"After the show, Thatcher's husband Denis lashed out at the producer of the show in the entertainment suite, saying that his wife had been 'stitched up by bloody BBC poofs and Trots'."
Thatcher herself commented during the interview "I think it could only be in Britain that a prime minister was accused of sinking an enemy ship that was a danger to our navy, when my main motive was to protect the boys in our navy".

I didn't watch it cos I can't stand the cow.

Good job you aren't a judge then .... "I didn't listen to his evidence because I cannot stand the man, therefore his opinion is irrelevant" German judge 1944 show trials, his name escapes me. YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO LISTEN TO BOTH VERSIONS OF EVENTS, OR YOU ARE AS PREDJUDICED AS THOSE YOU CONDEMN.... even if those people in question don't share your views.

That's what someone sensible like me did. I should be a modern girl

When your stitches come out you will be...

Bastids

.... and don't pull them either or they smart a bit...