on the tele again in the second round, what is the attraction?????????

looks like the leeds love in is gathering momentum.

So they can start the coverage with "8 years ago Leeds were playing Valencia in the semi final of the champions league, today they are away at Histon in the 2nd round of the FA cup"

It's lazy production, ..... TV companies haven't got as fookin clue when they descend below the Premiership. They consider the pompously named Championship a no mans land, a wilderness, so if you go past there you do the football equivalent of falling off the edge of the world. So when something like the first rounds of the FA Cup come along, the TV companies find themselves at sea in unfamiliar waters and look for something they recognise ...Leeds fit the bill, 'big club'...big ground and big following. Anyone who thinks there's any merit involved should be sectioned...it's all about earning potential.

did anyone watch there game v northampton on setanta?

There commentators we're creaming themselves over leeds all game, beckford this, mcallister that, northampton we're beaten before the game kicked off.

It wasn't about northamptons defending, it's about the pre conceived, blatant bias of the so called expert commentators... something any Poolie should be well aware of..... :wink
Thin and crusty..... ...sure you don't mean deep pan with extras....

I think it will be Leeds on live in round 3 too, assuming they beat Histon cos the tv coverage follows on from round to round. That is, id Histon win it will be them and so on. Or is this bollocks?

probably, but it never stopped the rest of us.

I am a closet Leeds fans.

And meanwhile Leeds reap in tens of thousands of pounds per game when it should be going to non-league clubs and "smaller" clubs that need it.

Aww c'mon.

We're constantly getting the fact that we're not famous or big any more rammed down our throats, but suddenly we're a big team who don't deserve the money when there's some TV coverage about.

The home game against Northampton - fair cop guv. No idea why it was picked save for viewer figures for advertising purpose. Replay? Obvious really and an extra game. Hopefully it was entertaining enough to justify the showing.

As for Histon...don't think of it as Leeds being on again but a chance for that club to get a share of the limelight on terrestrial TV. It's about as near as the 2nd round can manage to a David v (fallen) Goliath. It's the perfect choice from a TV perspective as everyone will want us to lose

do you know what gets my backup about these self-effacing bastads is that less than two year ago they started on a clean slate after writing off 93% of their debt.

They're pulling in decent crowds, spending money on players and getting (irrespective of their stature) a lot of live tv exposure - to me if i was the businessman who had supplied a service to them out of good faith for many years and got constantly fooked about with bills and then could only get £3500 of a £50,000 bill I'd be fookin livid when i hear all of the sanctimonious bastads coming out with a load of pious hypocritcal shite that runs along the lines of we're not famous - but only when we fookin want to be - and see just how much money the twats are making and almost fookin laughing at those who have just been collateral damage in their 'rebuilding'.

Their greed will see beckford and the other fooker go and they'll stay in this league this year and the next and even then when they do get promoted they'll be just like forest - shite.

And do you know what? I agree with you, as do many Leeds fans. Ken Bates is hardly Mr popular at ER

I take it by self effacing you mean someone who doesn't go on an opposition board mouthing off? Ironic that you're the only mouthy one here, but it obviously floats your boat. You're clearly an artuculate type of thuggy person, but your anger won't do you any good. Calm down before I patronise you to death.

Your figures are wrong - in fact if (big if) we do get back to the top League the payout will be 50% or more, and the current payout is 11%. Still crap though.

Strangely enough I don't see many complaints about Leicester who used the rules even more than we did. They went into admin, no points penalty and somehow ended up with a new ground for their troubles.

Truth is (from the perspective of the business) we should have gone into admin about five years ago while in the Premier League. There was nothing to stop us. It was only when there were whispers about financial problems that the PL decided to introduce a nine point penalty. The truth is that everything we are today, where we are in the league and the admin stuff was down to Ridsdale and his board. Far easier to blame the nasty Bates-monster, but the firework exploded in his hands, but someone else lit the fuse.

Of the £27 your fans handed over today £4 went to Alistair Darling directly. Approaching £5 of it went to the unknown landlords of Elland Road & Thorpe Arch. Who sold the ground? Not Bates. Why did the predecessors sell it? Because they couldn't cope with the £100m of debt that the smiling git who now sits at Cardiff left us with.

When you're having a go at us ask yourself whether you shouldn't also be having a go at a League which allows people like Ridsdale to be a club director?

Leicester were in fact the main reason the insolvency points penalty ruling was eventually brought in. There was holy hell on in the Championship the year after they were relegated from the Premier League - they moved into a new ground and signed a load of expensive players after declaring themselves bankrupt in the same summer. They finished second in the league and went straight back up and coined it in once again after another stint in the premier league and probably continuing to live beyond their means once more.
However they weren't the only ones doing it obviously

champgne ambitions , lemonade money, but would you still be so critical of Ridsdale if he'd pulled it off. They took a chance and lost.... not our problem.

Lighten up Snowy FFS.

What...? the financial machinations of Leeds are of no interest to me whatsoever, I don't care and neither should you, get worried when it affects Pools.

If it's not your problem why did one of your supporters get so vexed about it?

No original poster = no response.

Would I be critical of Ridsdale if he'd pulled it off? By definition no, because I'd never have known the gory details. But when it's subsequently been calculated that we'd have needed to win the Champions League for twenty consecutive years to break even it was never really likely, was it?

I don't know why one of our posters got vexed and don't care, that's his problem.
Now back to the financial side of things, my point is it's no good coming on here to a club who has spent 90% of its existence struggling to survive, that's why I have no sympathy for clubs who end up financially embarassed ...sorry pal, but it's your clubs problem, not ours.
Nothing personal mate you understand, but we've been on life support plenty of times and no one give it a second thought...?

Commentators ALWAYS favour the bigger club until it get's to the top 4 when the scousers get the vote every time over scum/gooners/chelsea- commentators love bleeding hearts and an imagined nirvana on the kop which goes back to Shankley. You will never change this. On the pitch it makes no difference. Best team ALWAYS wins.

Of course i don't have the figures rights - 99.3% of stats are pulled out of the air, but i knew I was close with 7p in the pound. Of course you should have went into admin years ago - the amount of leeway that football clubs get compared to other businesses is astonishing - but they do of course have a regular flow of income and therefore guaranteed 'work' that allows them that leeway. I'm not blaming bates or ridsdale - not close enough to know or care who is to blame - what does fook me off is the attitude of the fans who allow themselves to be whatever stature suits their conversation and also the fact that CLUBS (leicester, leeds, wolves, middlesbro in the 80s, there is a list too long)are allowed to write off so much debt (be it 93% or 89%) and then commence with a clean slate and be seen to not care about their previous misdemeanours and seem to do very well out of it (with of course the media taking some of the blame). And of course if you ever did get back up there then the value of that 50% depreciates less and less every month.

I'm not angry - only fooked off - and i'm more articulate than artuculate - but i like that an articulate thug branding. Patronise me to death - - don't fool yourself - the slipper is on the other foot I believe when it comes to patrony dear friend.

Oh and by the way - £4 of the £27 goes to the chancellor does it?? ......only if you pay it.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7741859.stm#table

puts things into persepctive really and validates my points re all clubs - you are the target here because you on on here - none from leicestershire are.

Pay this bill and feel free to come on here and patronise me....

Cracking reply Col, thats game set and match i think

the overriding problem for creditors of football clubs compared to any other business is that MP's and the likes get involved if, God forbid, a big football club should ever face the prospect of closing down.
Remember when Spurs owed the banks millions and the banks had had enough? They were forced to sell Gascoigne to Lazio in the end to placate some of the creditors - but the weeping and fawning on their behalf by journalists and tv reporters crying out for mercy, and stating that there'd be nothing short of uproar and civil riots if Spurs were forced into liquidation was no more surprising as it was pathetic. There were even examples of, "well nobody would miss such and such a club if it went bust.........but you can't do this to Spurs, even if they brought it on themselves...."
There's too much emotional blackmail, and let's face it who would want to be the bloke named in the media as the bloke trying to shut down someone like Leeds or Tottenham? You'd have to go into hiding for the rest of your life, for no other reason than you were trying to get your money back!!!!

i was watching the BBC news first thing this morning and they were discussing the subject of football clubs and non payment of tax. Can you imagine any normal business getting away with this, they were discussing writing the debts off...yet they billed me for £25 overpayment on my daughters grant...... so if I have to pay, why can't they?....it does grind a bit when even mediocre players are seen driving away from training, in top of the range motors, from clubs supposedly in financial turmoil.
If any clubs go to the wall specifically because of overstreching themselves to 'keep up with the Joneses', then I have no sympathy whatsoever, even for the fans, because such pressure to achieve that top status is usually fan fuelled....

and there endeth the lesson.........but not that fans of any of those clubs ever think that it should apply to them

Heaven forbid Brother Parmo, they are merely victims, simple souls who support clubs who should be up there with the elite and if it means taking a financial chance, then so be it...nothing at all to do with them, mere mute bystanders. Amen.

Firstly, welcome back, Ken, White Light, nice to see you here again.

And let's remember, they aren't the ones who caused the problems, they just suffered from it. Neither is it their fault that they get 20K + at their home games and therefore can outbuy us. Bleating at their fans is a bit like writing on the wall in Clarence Road. It feels nice and it's funny but it was never the wall's fault either and it'll achieve nowt.

Instead of yapping at the Leeds fans, yap at the telly companies, or alternatively, go and bang you head against those walls in Clarence Road. It'll have much the same effect.

my main argument is with the system as my posts indicate but also with the attitude of the few that try to deny it ever happened and also can't remember where they are.

i also sprayed on the walls in clarence road and museum and aye it felt good

Thanks for the welcome spender - on a personal note I take no satisfaction from our administrative dealings/failing to pay our tax bill etc. Nor did I think it was sensible when Ridsdale and O'Leary started chucking money around on players when they should have been developing the ground but you can't stop 'em now can you. So that's history (so to speak) although the better we do the more we have to pay back so we have a long way to go to shake off the Admin! I would like to think that we could at some point shake off the Leeds hate from everyone and his aunt as well but I know this will never happen. We remain the most hated club in the land which is shame because it's self perpetuating - the hate feeds the worst in us (not me obviously - I'm old and past worrying) and so it goes on!

Interesting game yesterday - could have gone either way for a long time. Your defence is worse than ours I fear. In Beckford/Becchio/Delph we have a trio of top performers at this level - in Delph we have someone with genuine potential (good job we didn't play Aiden White - younger and a top prospect at left back/wing and much better than Parker who with Telfer seemed to offer your best route to goal). The rest are pretty much interchangeable I think. Big squad of similar quality players. Would like to see more pace in the side myself but our biggest failing is that we have been out battled at times by teams who 'really want it'. You played your football as ever but those who have done for us this season go for closing us down, stopping us playing and then knock us over.

Anyway I wish you well - our game at your place is one of only two where tickets will be sold on loyalty points so it looks like I will miss out again (I have a season ticket and attend a goodly number of aways but not enough to unseat those who never miss - I have to spend some time with the Mrs although I have a pass for Histon next week!).

Come off it Kev, we have someone who comes on and treats us to a sermon about the financial maze that is the finances of Leeds United, as for bleating, don't be silly, just telling him we don't care and why should we ...as for the TV companies, well they started all this crap in the first place but they aint on here giving us a sob story... if they were they'd get a bit more than he got.. like I said, don't give me any sob stories cos I just don't care.

You should pop over to waccoe snowy. It's like a European Court hearing on there most days. I doubt anyone understands what Bate's is up to but the pros and antis seem to know more about his personal details and commitments than Mrs Bates. 'Anger is an energy'

Sorry - I could have just told the poster to f*ck off , but I think most of you in here are more discerning.

For the record no sympathy asked for, expected or deserved. And I'm not bleating. Every football club that has gone into administration has done so because it was spending more tha it could earn. That's a truism.

Perhaps if the League didn't insist on all football creditors being paid ahead of all those innocent victims of administration there might have been a bit more for them in the pot. We finished paying Danny Mills's contract two months ago. He's been dead for a quarter of a century hasn't he?

Maybe if the philosophy of pull the ladder up jack, I'm alright hadn't led to the formation of the pompous Premiership, the feeling of 'serves the feckers right' wouldn't be as prevalent as it now is. Too many boards and too many fans clamoured to jump on board the ferry to cash central and we now have the results of that lunatic decision ..... those who couldn't compete financially went the journey as did those with dim management. They took a chance, sometimes a chance that never existed egged on in the main by supporters who did want to compete because they harboured the delusion they had been successful and classed themselves as amongst the elite and by their logic should be amongst the top clubs, but we all know happy endings are not always the outcome...
there miht be a bit more understanding, but those who tried to join the big boys and failed tend to get tarred with the same brush, I feel for Bournemouth, but sympathy for those who tried to join the big time is less forthcoming. Pity we can't travel back in time and strangle the Premiership at birth, there might be a bit more understanding flowing..

When your chairman goes out and spends £18m on a defender there's an alarm bell that rings at the back of your mind because you wonder where the money is coming from. But you assume, and as paying supporters we all have a right to assume, that it's manageable. They know what they're doing don't they?

And even if they don't, have you ever seen a set of supporters protest when money's being spent? With financial prudence we could have been a regular top six Premier League club, but oh no...that was never going to be enough. As supporters we bought into the cruel illusion that we could mix it amongst the big boys. But seriously, can you blame us?

That's probably the hardest bit for us to take. Well run we could have been financially secure. Instead of which we got the rudest comeuppance (sp) that other fans could ever wish for.

To expect the supporters, en masse, to somehow be apologietic for what was done in their name, is unrealistic. Equally I don't think many of us expect any sympathy. It's a family shame where the sons and daughters have to live with the legacy of their idiotic parents. But that doesn't mean we lay down and die - we support our club, the team, through thick and thin, like every other fan does. There is nothing wrong with that. In many respects our pride, no matter how it comes across, is all we have left.

No one expects the supporters to apologise, they didn't splash the cash. However, there'll have been a fair proportion of fans demanding you compete with the top clubs, that happens at our level and lower, but expectations have to be temprered with cold realism, because expectation, relentless expectation, from, fans, can be a big factor in the route a board decides to take .... they want plaudits too.
The way I look at it, if you've fell overboard, try working out how you're gonna survive the next few minutes and not wondering about how you ended up where you are out loud and complaining .... fact is we're all overboard now and wondering, your problem is you jumped into a cold sea with a lot of your baggage, lose it and some of us in the water may offer you a hand, but your baggage will only drag us all down. THAT'S WHY WE DON'T WANT TO KNOW.

Which ever way you look at it, it is still completely wrong that Leeds will have had 3 televised games in 2 rounds when smaller and more needier clubs could have benefitted.

That was my point in the original post, i don't give a fook about all the other shiit. It seems leeds are picked for live tv games over more needier clubs because of the so called big club status, there are a lot of teams, who at present are in much greater need of the tv money.

My original dig, although titled toward leeds, is a dig at the tv companies. They are kunts of the highest order.

They've been on in the League Cup against Chester, JPT against Rotherham, FA Cup against Northampton twice and now Histon. I expect they've been on in the League, if not they will be by the end of the season.

Its just a sad endicement of how football has gone, as T&C says the tele companies are always going to pick the games that will get them the biggest audience and whether we like it or not; they will pull in the viewers.

And they still think the world is against them.

I agree with the sentiment that Ken Bates and whitelight are intelligent and articulate posters on this board, and I enjoy reading their thoughts.
I had a quick squint at the Rivals board on Saturday night for the first time in months - and it depresses me that so many people are probably capable of reproduction (both clubs' fans). Their offspring will be suitably mentally retarded because of the nurturing effect of their parents.

We keep getting our kick off time's changed - it's just not fair

I think Chester, Rotherham and Histon all have the right ring to them and our opponents certainly fall into the 'every penny helps' category - The Cobblers games are more difficult to explain beyond the viewing public would (?) like to see us suffer yet further humiliation. And that as they say is good telly.

Leeds United keep getting FA Cup coverage because they only way they will get into Euorpe is if another war breaks out.......