more questions from me:
1) do you get fined if a neighbour piles his/her "wrong" rubbish into YOUR bins ?
2) do you get fined if you subsequently refuse (sic) to put out your bins to prevent the above scenario re-occurring?
3) how the fuck are the authorities going to cope with/ prevent the massive increase in fly-tipping which will result?
4) are we going to get a decrease in council tax if we are pre-sorting out the rubbish before it gets to the recycling depots/incinerators (delete as appropriate)?

Right(sharp intake of breath)

The 1st week for the brown bin I returned home to find a sticker on it saying it was too heavy-it was half full of grass. After numerous phone calls I was told to lighten it and put the excess in bin liners.Then they left it empty near the car and the wind blew into it causing a dent.
On the Wednesday the lorry came to empty our blue bottle bin-the sound was like the end of the world as they raced along our street hoying bottles in as they went-obviously on time bonus or just needed to get to the Tavern quicker.As i went to pick up my blue bin a bottle smashed on the pavement 2 foot away from me -it must have travelled 20 ft just missing numerous cars as well as me.
All i got was a "sorry mate" as he picked up the broken glass.
Glad to get that off my chest

Cleveland & Bartlepool council are bobbins, I thank the sweet baby Jesus I dont pay my coucil tax to fund these cock knockers

As I worked for the council doing the doors on this EXACT initiative, let me help you out; and besides, I hated this scheme myself originally, but now I agree with it. And if you want an argument about it, I'll give you one, I've argued against much worse in Jutland Road


1) Five.
*A brown bin for garden waste (grass cuttings, indoor and outdoor flowers, small branches, but not soil or anything like that)
* A white poly bag for cardboard (such as packaging, as long as it isn't laminated; shiny cardboard like cereal packets are fine though) and plastic bottles, like fizzy drinks, bleach, etc.
* A blue box for your tin cans and glass bottles
* A blue bag for your newspapers, catalogues and junk mail
* Your green bin for everything else.

2) You get a warning in the form of a sticker - if you constantly go against the rules (it's a three strikes and you're out system), they stop picking it up.

3) Not that I know of; unless a demonstration (which we saw a couple of) results in borderline fly tipping, which is fair enough.

4) The binmen still have to collect green bins every day, given that there are two sets of Monday-Friday rounds. They're always working, and doing a hard job at that (having done the bins for a bit with the council myself). The brown bins do get emptied in the winter - questionnaires the council gave to the residents showed that many would still use them; leaves, storm damage, etc. I didn't understand why myself, but the facts are there.

5) No. Technically they'll take them if you don't wash them out; as long as they're "empty" and not half full with beans. Besides, just leave them to soak in the used water after doing the dishes, it works a treat.

6) Silly, but it's done for a reason; contaminating a load results in poor quality control tests which results in less revenue coming back to the Council. Or something like that. They aren't bullshitting though.

7) Junk mail goes in your blue bag. That's not too difficult, is it?

8) Blue bag, yes. I dunno about you but my dad gets two or three papers a day, and so the blue bag is ideal. Even if your box/bag/whatever only has one or two items in, put it out and they'll still lighten the load - or, if you need to, share with a neighbour.





1) No, again it's the three strikes and you're out. You can call up the council and tell my old boss Claire that, although she puts up with so much shit anyway that I doubt you'd get too nice a reply. I'd just peel the sticker off, or swap bins so it's her fault.

2) Not at all. The recycling service is optional, but recycling itself isn't; as long as you're still putting things in the right bin (and disposing of what you're holding back yourself at a recycling centre), it doesn't matter.

3) There hasn't been an increase in fly tipping; if there is to be, heavier laws have been introduced to fine the tippers heavily.

4) Recycling depots, and no, of course not - (this was probably my most asked question on the job) - the council are doing this as a directive of the Government, which is directed under the EU to conform to the much higher (and better) standards of the likes of Germany and Holland's waste disposal. As a result the HBC is having to invest to make money in the long run; the next couple of years will see the scheme paying for itself through the selling of recycled materials back to companies.

After then, a slowing down of council tax rises, maybe - but taking half an hour tops in a routine every week which will become second nature to you after a while? The council are providing an extended service for the future good of ourselves, so I can't really complain.

What about truck driver murder victims, which bag / box / bin do they go in ?

Green I think, they're just general waste

Britain is getting fined £1 Million PER DAY by the EU for going over their landfill allowance. The Government is trying to recoup this money by forcing Councils to hit tough recycling targets or face big fines which increase each year.
This leaves little choice for Councils to bring in extra recycling or alternatively they would need to find the money by increasing Council tax dramatically.

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To be honest I was the same as you Dibbs before we got all of our bags, boxes and bins. But now after a while it is just second nature to put the recycleable things into the relevant bins/box/bag. I don't squash tins or cans though it is just a quick rinse and into the box. Also my brown bin has been fuller the last 3 weeks than it has for the past year because of all the leaves and digging up weeds and stuff.

we do it here and even tho it is becoming 2nd nature its never stopped being a complete pain in the arse

i hate the council
we pay our rent fortnightly when mrs S gets paid, council sends us a letter saying were gonna get repossessed [we'd paid the 160 rent day before] because we were 2 weeks in arrears....we phoned em told em it had already been paid - no apology for their threats . they ask us to repay our housing benefit [we get 50p a week] , isay keep the twice monthly cheques for a quid and save yourselves a fortune.....they say dont be silly thats far too sensible now cough up! bastads
i hate them nearly as much as i hate the police and man utd.

Dibbs, does that gadgie have a glass door on his fridge, otherwise how does he know what drinks there are going to be choose from stupid

Yawn. You're quite the predictable one, ADG - you're another one of these people who thinks their problem is something that's never been mentioned before, and a problem that's bigger than everybody else's

I hated the scheme, I did the brown bin deliveries up the Fens and Manor two summers ago and I hated it with a passion.

The amount of work the tiny recycling department of the Council have put into this is phenomenal, especially given they had a skeleton staff of one until mid-July this summer.

I did the questionnaires, and talked to about 5,000 people on my round (and overall we talked to about 30,000 people), so no, it's not gullible because I was asking the fucking questions!

Half of the areas of Hartlepool have neighbours who share, we're not all not nice people who hate those who live next door. I said you don't HAVE to share, but some people find it easier than putting out two barely used bins.

And nope, that isn't what we say at all. It's amazing to think that I spoke to people in Homer Grove who have tinshed houses who loved the scheme, then had not nice people up at Bishop Cuthbert with mansions who have 'no room'. Boo fucking hoo, really - my heart bleeds.

I learned the facts as I went along, and a lot of residents taught me a few things too - I CERTAINLY didn't learn off of my boss, who took an immediate dislike to me (because I was fighting for better things for residents who had problems, so fuck off if you think I'm some form of puppet). So many people are so averse to change, even if it's gonna save this place. I don't agree with the EU but it HAS to be done, and this was something I've thought for years before working for the council (and I HATE the council, even now).

Probably better to shoot your dog, too. Hell, I'll kill it with a stick for free

what is quite funny, is that we can save the planet by putting everything into the right bag...

then we have a huge neuclear power station leaking like fook on our doorstep...

But it never works, so it doesnt leak

i'll sleep well tonight then

The ecosystem's fucked, I dunno if you've watched the news for the past 6 or 7 years. Landfill's running out, and if you've ever worked in/around one, you'll know they're disgusting (I have, and don't ever want to have to go back to one).

You know nothing of my problems, either - but that's not the issue, because I'd happily bet £100 on at least 100 people I've talked to being in a worse situation relating to personal waste disposal.

This situation isn't something you can really apply nanny state to because it's an EU directive. I don't like the EU and I hope we never go anywhere near the Euro, but I'm sorry - it has to be done.

I didn't imply that you broke the law. If you want me to cry you a river then you're mistaken.

"You twats" - I'm a student and I did it for the money. I went into the job agreeing with recycling on principle (do you even agree with it?), and as I saw the scheme in full working flow, minus a couple of subjective (and not objective) errors (and a few others that were ironed out by me and my colleagues cos that was our job!).

I said I didn't agree with the EU principles of forcing it upon us, but if it wasn't, people wouldn't do it. It just happens that this is pretty important and the only way people will listen (especially in a place like Hartlepool) is to thrust it at them and to tell them to get on with it. I don't feel sorry as much for Hartlepudlians as much as I used to, cos I had to speak to some right pond life who don't deserve anything but; if you did the same job as me, you sure as hell would think the same as me.

Don't paint me out to be fucking gullible though - that's the last thing I am. I don't believe things because I'm told them, and I certainly won't concede to your self-indulgent argument over why you're not going to do it.

And that's fine - don't use the bins - but if you're also too lazy to get off your arse and recycle personally instead of letting a council-provided service do it for you, then you're as ignorant as you are thick.

And you've capped it off with a cracking NIMBY argument. Here's me thinking that we were a developed enough country to actually do this without having to rely on less developed countries to take the blame yet again for something they cannot change because they don't have the money, resources, infrastructure or government to have the sense to do it (apart from America... but if the Crats get in, Dole's The Inconvenient Truth will be very much followed).

You remind me of someone who didn't want to recycle because they'd "be dead soon". Such is the simple fucking laziness and conservatism of human life... if you die before you see problems, what's the problem?

You have to be careful saying things like that on here. People get all biblical on you.

Serious question, as I assume you'd know the answer from what you say. Isn't thew root of problem packaging?? There was something on the radio Monday night about supermarkets looking att heir packaging because you get the stuff home throw it straight in the bin. Maybe the problem could bypass the public if we didn't have so much packaging to contend with. After all, we don't ask for it although I acknowledge that some of it's essential.

Oh, and throwing McDonalds out of the country and banning Coke, Pepsi, Fanta and Sprite would halve the problem.

On average 16% of the cost of everything you buy is packaging. Take TV's for example; the most expensive part of a telly is the screen, second most expensive is the box it comes in.

People shouldn't say I'm gullible and brainwashed though Kev - that's a pretty strong assumption to make over someone ADG hasn't spoken to properly - and I'll go to all lengths to prove that I'm not what he says (I'm used to arguing online as you no doubt know).

While we were working, Sainsbury's started with biodegradable packaging, and the government's working with the major food chains to cut down on all of it. I fully agree though, the solution wouldn't need to be as drastic if the circumstances didn't make it so.

Great full comeback btw ADG, I'll take it you can't argue.

See that's just fcking idle that is. Are you telling me that you haven't got a cow in the garden next to your 20 bins?? You could feed it on dogshit and kebab wrappers.

Nah it was something similar *I* said once that brought the wrath of the prophet down on me.

Seems to me that the EU demands that we have the packaging standards and then shits itself about where we're going to put it when it's empty.

Just a thought, but instead of employing a load of recycling fundamentalists who actually do nowt but carry clipboards and 'advise' you about recycling, why not employ a greater number of unemployed raggy lads on a lower pay rate to actually recycle the rubbish for us..... or is that too obvious. More jobs for the unskilled, who will actually be doing some work as opposed to paying someone to tell you to do the work.

Don't be so bloody sensible man........

We were paid for by EU money, money we were given and had to spend on the recycling initiative, and nothing else. I'm not going to argue the pros and cons of that as I've already said where i stand with the EU.

Our job was only for 3 months, and I only worked 20 hours a week. Not exactly breaking the bank.

And yes, why don't we hire someone per street of Hartlepool to sort your rubbish out? That'll solve the inherent laziness of people in this town... I mean, come on, in a month or two you do it naturally. Our house is fine doing it, I even do it at University and I'm meant to be a student!

I don't mind assumptions being made if I can fling them back and he doesn't actually mean it; I mean really, am I gonna kill his dog with a stick?



probs

Why take umbrage?, my targets bigger then 20 hours a week 3 monthers. Why not a central recycling facility...? As for killing dogs, that's my job, Mutley will vouch for me ...befroe he says it himself!

This beard wearing...........tawt wont be at a certain mutual get together on friday will he cos id love to ask him how much "green waste" they collect from my certain abode where i believe i read today that they will be collecting the brown bin with the white bag...???????????????????????????
Not seen any gardens in the last 10 months

...the normal bins are over flowing now cos my fellow reisdents are new to this too and if the batsards wake me up tom collecting it they gonna get one angry tired raving lunatic screaming at them..........

Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks?? My Grandma is ninety, twenty clem and ugly as a gargoyle, but only yesterday she learned to light her own farts.

Anyone know where I can find a list of exactly what I'm supposed to be putting in these bags and bins, I haven't got a clue.

and how to empty his bag onto them

Ask your landlord!

More scurrilous accusations. I am as pure as the driven snow.

that a dog's p!ssed on

Oh thanks mate. Now I've got perfect strangers besmirching my rep.

You will all hear from my lawyers.

Jimmy Krankie??

I've had her.

That is actually stupid - they can get them taken away, unless they actually want them. They shouldn't have been delivered in the first place though; strange really

I would, but it normally takes a while to get any sort of response. Pretty much like when you're having a conversation with him.

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