Tees Valley....

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36368

...are trying to get money for a METRO SYSTEM, it'll go from Darlo to Saltburn via Middlesbrough and Stockton and every one horse place in between....the only place not included will be..HARTLEPOOL, who 'may' be included sometime in the distant future...well there's a surprise.
As usual, it appears you can chip into the kitty but there's nothing for you ...it's just like being in Cleveland County again...... :roll:

Salty · **Posted:** Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:35 pm

thats not good is it?

Salty · **Posted:** Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:02 pm

I'd love a direct connection from old Salty to Pools

the main reason I hardly go on the train tho is that there is hardly evr a train outta Town, they all get delayed for aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages and sometimes not even one back to Boro :shock:

Salty · **Posted:** Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:14 pm

dead on chipsy

theres no bus from boro to saltburn on a night
and the last trains at 9.50

taxi companies are raking it in

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36368

Mr ADG wrote:

Public transport cant work and wont work.

OK it works very locally, and in small doses, but on the larger scale it is bollox.

Dont get me started on trains.

As trains only work if you go in straight lines. Edinburgh to London etc etc.

Trying to get people to stop using cars is a stupid idea, made by stupid people.

Almost as stupid as the vast array of rubbish bins most people have to suffer now.

Another stupid idea made up by stupid people.

Dont you all agree? :roll:

Bring it on. stupid stupid stupid stupid

Funny how it works on the continent OK.......

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22566

It works perfectly when it's properly integrated.

For example: Get the plane to Charles de Gaulle airport, go into the integrated train station and get a train to say Gare de Nord. From there go to the integrated (and sparklingly clean and light) bus station and get a bus from there to the stop near your home.

Damn right it works and there is plenty of security about too.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36368

Mr I wrote:

It works perfectly when it's properly integrated.

For example: Get the plane to Charles de Gaulle airport, go into the integrated train station and get a train to say Gare de Nord. From there go to the integrated (and sparklingly clean and light) bus station and get a bus from there to the stop near your home.

Damn right it works and there is plenty of security about too.

The trouble is Mr I, like everything in this country, it has to be a nice profitable little number, THE SERVICES AINT RUN FOR THE PUBLIC ANYMORE, IT'S FOR THE SHAREHOLDERS. Profit is king. :roll:

Hawklord · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:27 pm **Posts:** 3115

chip fireball wrote:

why dont they just link it, via hartlepool, to the newcastle metro, which will be running as fas south as ryhope soon ?

When it comes as far south as Cambridge I'll be very happy.

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5095

Snowy wrote:

Mr I wrote:

It works perfectly when it's properly integrated.

For example: Get the plane to Charles de Gaulle airport, go into the integrated train station and get a train to say Gare de Nord. From there go to the integrated (and sparklingly clean and light) bus station and get a bus from there to the stop near your home.

Damn right it works and there is plenty of security about too.

The trouble is Mr I, like everything in this country, it has to be a nice profitable little number, THE SERVICES AINT RUN FOR THE PUBLIC ANYMORE, IT'S FOR THE SHAREHOLDERS. Profit is king. :roll:

cock on there

we get services cut if they arent raking it in
but now the pensioners are free they are using the buses more and more which has the knock on effect that the paying punters arent happy as they cant get a seat even though they are paying.
we should also adopt the system they use abroad and have a flat fare no matter how far you go in the town.
AND have bus stops that only buses are allowed to stop at unlike every bus stop in the town cos people in cars are too lazy and wont use car parks and walk to the place they want to be.
good examples are the ramp, carlton street, paddies, wynyard road, king oswy shops, middlegate, st aidans walter wilsons basically any bus stop near a shop and yet we pay a bloody load of dilutey traffic wardens who are useless and dont get me started about "disabled badge holders" whose great aunt fanny cant walk so they get a badge and every bugger BUT aunt fanny park where the hell they want even though everywhere has disabled parking spaces.
there are even some bus drivers who use their relatives badges to park free all day whilst at work it annoys the shit out of me rage

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5095

god i feel better after that rant :grin:

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22566

I'm sure you're right Sir but can I point out one thing that seems to have slipped the mind of very bus driver on the planet.

You are not supposed to pull out if somethings coming!!!

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36368

no6bus wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Mr I wrote:

It works perfectly when it's properly integrated.

For example: Get the plane to Charles de Gaulle airport, go into the integrated train station and get a train to say Gare de Nord. From there go to the integrated (and sparklingly clean and light) bus station and get a bus from there to the stop near your home.

Damn right it works and there is plenty of security about too.

The trouble is Mr I, like everything in this country, it has to be a nice profitable little number, THE SERVICES AINT RUN FOR THE PUBLIC ANYMORE, IT'S FOR THE SHAREHOLDERS. Profit is king. :roll:

cock on there

we get services cut if they arent raking it in
but now the pensioners are free they are using the buses more and more which has the knock on effect that the paying punters arent happy as they cant get a seat even though they are paying.
we should also adopt the system they use abroad and have a flat fare no matter how far you go in the town.
AND have bus stops that only buses are allowed to stop at unlike every bus stop in the town cos people in cars are too lazy and wont use car parks and walk to the place they want to be.
good examples are the ramp, carlton street, paddies, wynyard road, king oswy shops, middlegate, st aidans walter wilsons basically any bus stop near a shop and yet we pay a bloody load of dilutey traffic wardens who are useless and dont get me started about "disabled badge holders" whose great aunt fanny cant walk so they get a badge and every bugger-de-bugger-de-do BUT aunt fanny park where the hell they want even though everywhere has disabled parking spaces.
there are even some bus drivers who use their relatives badges to park free all day whilst at work it annoys the shiit out of me rage

Disabled badges should contain a photo of the disabled person in question....in the same way as insiurance details should be displayed in your window like your tax disc. AND WHY NOT ADD ROAD TAX TO FUEL DUTY...then the ones who drive the most pay the most.

dawlishmonkey · **Joined:** Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:53 am **Posts:** 1588

but nobody does make any money out of public transport.take the railways the 3 biggest franchisees are goosed;
Virgin applied to have its franchise reduced and broken up,this will happen in 2007 because they are all but bankrupt.
GNER ,parent company is in the early stages of bankruptcy and the train company has already said it will not be able to meet its payment targets.
First group makes money from the USA mainly from school buses but over here it is just about breaking even.
all this in spite of the fact that more people use the train than ever before.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36368

dawlishmonkey wrote:

but nobody does make any money out of public transport.take the railways the 3 biggest franchisees are goosed;
Virgin applied to have its franchise reduced and broken up,this will happen in 2007 because they are all but bankrupt.
GNER ,parent company is in the early stages of bankruptcy and the train company has already said it will not be able to meet its payment targets.
First group makes money from the USA mainly from school buses but over here it is just about breaking even.
all this in spite of the fact that more people use the train than ever before.

Dawlish, railways wise, what they get is a nice fat subsidy. These are private companies who aint going out to lose money...

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5095

Mr I wrote:

I'm sure you're right Sir but can I point out one thing that seems to have slipped the mind of very bus driver on the planet.

You are not supposed to pull out if somethings coming!!!

typical bloody car driver
heres a bit from the highway code
198: Buses, coaches and trams. Give priority to these vehicles when you can do so safely, especially when they signal to pull away from stops. Look out for people getting off a bus or tram and crossing the road.

this means instead of speeding up to get past the bus let the bugger out and then we all get where we are going quicker

banghead

a bit more for you
217: DO NOT park your vehicle or trailer on the road where it would endanger, inconvenience or obstruct pedestrians or other road users. For example, do not stop

* near a school entrance
* anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
* at or near a bus stop or taxi rank

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22566

Mr ADG wrote:

Mr I wrote:

It works perfectly when it's properly integrated.

For example: Get the plane to Charles de Gaulle airport, go into the integrated train station and get a train to say Gare de Nord. From there go to the integrated (and sparklingly clean and light) bus station and get a bus from there to the stop near your home.

Ah...........thats if there is a stop near to your home. Like at the end of my fookin drive. And does the bus driver carry the bags the half a mile to the passengers door?

Do they fook. And why should they?

Public transport is shiit.

Just because it obviously helps the environment is no excuse for saying public transport is anything other than shiit.

Its shiit. Its always been shiit, and always will be.

And until they invent public transport, that transports me to exactly where I want to go, and allows me to sit next to who I want, or remove the smelly tw@t with the BO, it will always be shiit.

It may be necessary shiit for the future of the planet but its shiit nonetheless, so welcome to the board with your environmentally correct bollox.

Right. Next? rolfl

It wouldn't do you any harm to walk half a mile occasionally in fact the same goes for the majority of the country. Fat lazy bastids one and all.

Yes public transport is shit and it always has been but it doesn't have to be that way in the future. As Snowy says; it works very well on the continent. I use the tram system in Nottingham when I can because its quick, clean and cheap. The main reason is that its much quicker and parking in Nottingham is nigh on impossible.

As for the fat twat with the BO.... take more showers.

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22566

I never said it was right for everyone but the vast majority of this country can walk to a tram/bus/train stop. There are always extreme examples for any subject but the fact is that most people are just too idle.

You can work on the train. They even have laptop plug points in first class these days for that very reason.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:29 pm

no6bus wrote:

Mr I wrote:

I'm sure you're right Sir but can I point out one thing that seems to have slipped the mind of very bus driver on the planet.

You are not supposed to pull out if somethings coming!!!

typical bloody car driver
heres a bit from the highway code
198: Buses, coaches and trams. Give priority to these vehicles when you can do so safely, especially when they signal to pull away from stops. Look out for people getting off a bus or tram and crossing the road.

this means instead of speeding up to get past the bus let the bugger-de-bugger-de-do out and then we all get where we are going quicker

banghead

a bit more for you
217: DO NOT park your vehicle or trailer on the road where it would endanger, inconvenience or obstruct pedestrians or other road users. For example, do not stop

* near a school entrance
* anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
* at or near a bus stop or taxi rank

One for the bus drivers then

Give way to the right

Use your indicators occasionally, go on, you no it makes sense!

:wink:

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22566

TalbotAvenger wrote:

no6bus wrote:

Mr I wrote:

I'm sure you're right Sir but can I point out one thing that seems to have slipped the mind of very bus driver on the planet.

You are not supposed to pull out if somethings coming!!!

typical bloody car driver
heres a bit from the highway code
198: Buses, coaches and trams. Give priority to these vehicles when you can do so safely, especially when they signal to pull away from stops. Look out for people getting off a bus or tram and crossing the road.

this means instead of speeding up to get past the bus let the bugger-de-bugger-de-do-de-bugger-de-bugger-de-do-de-do out and then we all get where we are going quicker

banghead

a bit more for you
217: DO NOT park your vehicle or trailer on the road where it would endanger, inconvenience or obstruct pedestrians or other road users. For example, do not stop

* near a school entrance
* anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
* at or near a bus stop or taxi rank

One for the bus drivers then

Give way to the right

Use your indicators occasionally, go on, you no it makes sense!

:wink:

How do bus drivers go on when they are faced with a taxi driver? As both own the road irrespective of signage and neither use indicators, which one wins ?

As for truck drivers, don't get me started on them!!! "I own the road because I'm a 'professional driver'" load of bollox!! they're too busy eating greasy breakfasts and comparing their latest murders to worry about driving correctly!

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:35 pm

Mr I wrote:

TalbotAvenger wrote:

no6bus wrote:

Mr I wrote:

I'm sure you're right Sir but can I point out one thing that seems to have slipped the mind of very bus driver on the planet.

You are not supposed to pull out if somethings coming!!!

typical bloody car driver
heres a bit from the highway code
198: Buses, coaches and trams. Give priority to these vehicles when you can do so safely, especially when they signal to pull away from stops. Look out for people getting off a bus or tram and crossing the road.

this means instead of speeding up to get past the bus let the bugger-de-bugger-de-do-de-bugger-de-bugger-de-do-de-do-de-bugger-de-bugger-de-do-de-bugger-de-bugger-de-do-de-do-de-do out and then we all get where we are going quicker

banghead

a bit more for you
217: DO NOT park your vehicle or trailer on the road where it would endanger, inconvenience or obstruct pedestrians or other road users. For example, do not stop

* near a school entrance
* anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
* at or near a bus stop or taxi rank

One for the bus drivers then

Give way to the right

Use your indicators occasionally, go on, you no it makes sense!

:wink:

How do bus drivers go on when they are faced with a taxi driver? As both own the road irrespective of signage and neither use indicators, which one wins ?

As for truck drivers, don't get me started on them!!! "I own the road because I'm a 'professional driver'" load of bollox!! they're too busy eating greasy breakfasts and comparing their latest murders to worry about driving correctly!

What makes a truck driver think they can overtake quickly when laden with tonnes of steel, they try and try then pull back in, stupid bounders

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22566

TalbotAvenger wrote:

they try and try then pull back in, stupid bounders

Thats the bit I never see. The fat bastids insist on sitting in the outside lane doing 0.0001 mph more than the other fat murdering bastid they are overtaking. No doubt showing each other various dismembered body parts and having a good giggle about it.

Then 150 miles down the road they pull in ignoring the 500 cars stuck behind them.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:42 pm

Mr I wrote:

TalbotAvenger wrote:

they try and try then pull back in, stupid bounders

Thats the bit I never see. The fat bastids insist on sitting in the outside lane doing 0.0001 mph more than the other fat murdering bastid they are overtaking. No doubt showing each other various dismembered body parts and having a good giggle about it.

Then 150 miles down the road they pull in ignoring the 500 cars stuck behind them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Driver

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22566

Must seek that out. It's not just me who thinks this then.

Fensy · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:15 pm **Posts:** 6471

Snowy wrote:

no6bus wrote:

Snowy wrote:

Mr I wrote:

It works perfectly when it's properly integrated.

For example: Get the plane to Charles de Gaulle airport, go into the integrated train station and get a train to say Gare de Nord. From there go to the integrated (and sparklingly clean and light) bus station and get a bus from there to the stop near your home.

Damn right it works and there is plenty of security about too.

The trouble is Mr I, like everything in this country, it has to be a nice profitable little number, THE SERVICES AINT RUN FOR THE PUBLIC ANYMORE, IT'S FOR THE SHAREHOLDERS. Profit is king. :roll:

cock on there

we get services cut if they arent raking it in
but now the pensioners are free they are using the buses more and more which has the knock on effect that the paying punters arent happy as they cant get a seat even though they are paying.
we should also adopt the system they use abroad and have a flat fare no matter how far you go in the town.
AND have bus stops that only buses are allowed to stop at unlike every bus stop in the town cos people in cars are too lazy and wont use car parks and walk to the place they want to be.
good examples are the ramp, carlton street, paddies, wynyard road, king oswy shops, middlegate, st aidans walter wilsons basically any bus stop near a shop and yet we pay a bloody load of dilutey traffic wardens who are useless and dont get me started about "disabled badge holders" whose great aunt fanny cant walk so they get a badge and every bugger-de-bugger-de-do-de-bugger-de-bugger-de-do-de-do BUT aunt fanny park where the hell they want even though everywhere has disabled parking spaces.
there are even some bus drivers who use their relatives badges to park free all day whilst at work it annoys the shiit out of me rage

Disabled badges should contain a photo of the disabled person in question....in the same way as insiurance details should be displayed in your window like your tax disc. AND WHY NOT ADD ROAD TAX TO FUEL DUTY...then the ones who drive the most pay the most.

Ah but they do though Snowy, at least the mother in law has her photo on her badges

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36368

I'D HATE TO THINK OF MY MOTHER IN LAWS FACE ON ANYTHING :shock:

Mr Irrelevant · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm **Posts:** 22566

Snowy wrote:

I'D HATE TO THINK OF MY MOTHER IN LAWS FACE ON ANYTHING :shock:

PK's had her.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36368

He'd better add necrophilia then to his long distinguished list of perversions ...we buried her. :roll:

Spender · **Posted:** Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:54 pm

Disabled badges DO have a picture of the crip......errmmmm poor unfortunate on them but crazily, you have to display the other side. I've got one for our little 'un. I don't use it for blocking up the street outside the bingo or annoying No6. I do use it to avoid parking charges which are a swizz.

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36368

Pooliekev wrote:

Disabled badges DO have a picture of the crip......errmmmm poor unfortunate on them but crazily, you have to display the other side. I've got one for our little 'un. I don't use it for blocking up the street outside the bingo or annoying No6. I do use it to avoid parking charges which are a swizz.

Come to think of it, why don't disabled badgeHjolders have to pay parking charges, it's a bit like free travel for pensioners... quite a few are well loaded...... :roll:

Spender · **Posted:** Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:23 pm

Because spac....errrmmmm disabled people HAVE to use their cars to get about. in a lot of cases and therefore it's unfair to charge them for the priviledge.

Spender · **Posted:** Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:24 pm

Snowy wrote:

He'd better add necrophilia then to his long distinguished list of perversions ...we buried her. :roll:

I thought she was bit stiff and unresponsive. :uhoh:

Mind most of them are. :roll:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36368

Snowy wrote:

Pooliekev wrote:

Disabled badges DO have a picture of the crip......errmmmm poor unfortunate on them but crazily, you have to display the other side. I've got one for our little 'un. I don't use it for blocking up the street outside the bingo or annoying No6. I do use it to avoid parking charges which are a swizz.

Come to think of it, why don't disabled badge Holders have to pay parking charges, it's a bit like free travel for pensioners... quite a few are well loaded...... :roll:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36368

cremated actually........ :uhoh:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36368

Snowy wrote:

Pooliekev wrote:

Disabled badges DO have a picture of the crip......errmmmm poor unfortunate on them but crazily, you have to display the other side. I've got one for our little 'un. I don't use it for blocking up the street outside the bingo or annoying No6. I do use it to avoid parking charges which are a swizz.

Come to think of it, why don't disabled badge Holders have to pay parking charges, it's a bit like free travel for pensioners... quite a few are well loaded...... :roll:

..I think I pressed the wrong key.....just be thankful I aint on a Trident boat (submarine) :shock:

Spender · **Posted:** Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:34 pm

Snowy wrote:

cremated actually........ :uhoh:

Christ, you did make sure didn't you?? :shock:

Was she dead?? :-o

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36368

I'm not a doctor...! But our lass said she she looked like she was and she knows about these things ....come to think of it ...was it my mam or my aunty....... anyway. it was definitely a woman. Mind you it could have been the mother in law, but we aren't too sure if she's dead or not because we saw a dead ringer for her on a Russian research ship ...spooky. :shock:

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5095

TalbotAvenger wrote:

no6bus wrote:

Mr I wrote:

I'm sure you're right Sir but can I point out one thing that seems to have slipped the mind of very bus driver on the planet.

You are not supposed to pull out if somethings coming!!!

typical bloody car driver
heres a bit from the highway code
198: Buses, coaches and trams. Give priority to these vehicles when you can do so safely, especially when they signal to pull away from stops. Look out for people getting off a bus or tram and crossing the road.

this means instead of speeding up to get past the bus let the bugger-de-bugger-de-do-de-bugger-de-bugger-de-do-de-do out and then we all get where we are going quicker

banghead

a bit more for you
217: DO NOT park your vehicle or trailer on the road where it would endanger, inconvenience or obstruct pedestrians or other road users. For example, do not stop

* near a school entrance
* anywhere you would prevent access for Emergency Services
* at or near a bus stop or taxi rank

One for the bus drivers then

Give way to the right

Use your indicators occasionally, go on, you no it makes sense!

:wink:

tried that doesnt work in hartlepool
where even driving instructors ignore the indicator and try to overtake you mind oxford road after the "improvements" is good for a game of chicken especially if you are travelling down towards st aidans :grin:

as for taxi drivers they leave their brains when they pick up the keys for their taxi you only have to go down victoria road on a friday/saturday night every rule in the highway code is ignored.
mind i have mastered the art of becoming invisible

i get on my bus and every car in hartlepool ignores me :grin:

Spender · **Posted:** Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:51 pm

Snowy wrote:

I'm not a doctor...! But our lass said she she looked like she was and she knows about these things ....come to think of it ...was it my mam or my aunty....... anyway. it was definitely a woman. Mind you it could have been the mother in law, but we aren't too sure if she's dead or not because we saw a dead ringer for her on a Russian research ship ...spooky. :shock:

So then you burned her AND buried her. I bet you buried the ashes face down to cover all the exits an' all!! :shock:

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 36368

You're getting technical now......

Fensy · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:15 pm **Posts:** 6471

Mr bus the major word in your mini rant is safely I am sure that the majority of bus drivers expect others to slam their brakes on in order to let them pull out :evil:

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5095

no i indicate and look for somebody to let me out and if that fails then i am guilty of forcing my way out but surely a 40 foot bus with a indicator going is giving you a subtle hint that it wants to leave the bus stop next time you see a bus indicating to leave the bus stop do your bit and let him out you know it makes sense after all you are overtaking to get past the bus "is it SAFE to do so if he is leaving the bus stop" :shock:

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:09 am

Am I the only driver on here that gives way to buses pulling out from bus stops? I like the little wave out of the window, from the driver, or the short flash of the hazard lights, it gives me a warm feeling for the rest of the day. But when the b*stards don't acknowledge you it makes you feel so madddddddd rage

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5095

to billingham poolie consider my cap doffed

but i agree there are some ignorant barstewards who dont do us any favours

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:22 pm

no6bus wrote:

but i agree there are some ignorant barstewards who dont do us any favours

But the same goes for car drivers!!!! :evil:

parmopooly · **Posted:** Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:50 pm

I don't need to be driving my car to be ignorant!! :grin:

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