the sobering experience of the Conference

parmopooly · **Posted:** Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:32 pm

for ex- league sides is typified by tonight's result

Torquay 0 Ebbsfleet 2

Talk about spine shivering

2nd season in, and probably getting the feeling they'll be in it for the long haul.
Thank the heavens for IOR

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:42 pm

It pains me to see proper league clubs like Torquay, York, and Wrexham playing at that level when the fourth division is filling up with tin pot non league clubs like Dagenham, Accrington, and Darlington.

parmopooly · **Posted:** Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:55 pm

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:04 pm

Oh yeah these are the 'Championship manager' club ran by people on the Internet aren't they? They should be forced to play MK Dons..................... every week.

parmopooly · **Posted:** Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:06 pm

I think players getting 150k a week is just as bad to be honest

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:17 pm

I don't think Mr Elvis is referring to having a problem with the amalgamation of any clubs, the beef chip is with this;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 089473.stm

Jonny · **Posted:** Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:34 pm

chip fireball wrote:

well is it any worse than a club allegedly being bought by an oil bloke based in another country allegedly using the money given to him by another bloke in a third country to allegedly exploit a trade loophole when neither of them have any prior interest in said team.

or the most famous club in the country being bought by a pair of yanks with no prior interest in football whatsoever.

and the club across the city from that club being bought by an allegedly corrupt president of a country on the other side of the world.

both of whom are chasing for the premiership title a club owned by a man who allegedly pillaged his own countries oil industry and fled her with his billions to avoid prison.

wherever you care to look football clubs have become the playthings of wealthy businessmen with no prior interest in the clubs they have bought.

you could even argue that ebbsfleet are owned by folk with more honesty and transparency than than the top dozen biggest clubs in england .

should they make the football league they will no doubt do a rushden.

as for torquay... nice place, friendly fans, crap ground, but they have no more automatic right to a place in the league than anyone else. i think 2 up and 2 down from the conference is a great idea. the better clubs will come back up if they drop down there, donny and carlisle being obvious examples.

I agree with all of that. clappp

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:38 pm

I would go further and suggest that the Promotion should be extended to 3 clubs, to fall more in line with the other leagues, especially as the Conference has been league 5 for a number of years now.

Loid Haw-Haw of Sussex · **Posted:** Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:56 pm

Some good comments chip clappp

Especially after the drivel from Peanut pj poolie :laugh:

Poolsrme · **Posted:** Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:06 am

I'll be watching the Conference South with interest this season.
Top of the League Team Bath watched by 120 on Saturday. Are they something to do with Bath University?

Second are AFC Wimbledon who fully deserve to rise through the leagues after the shameful franchise affair rage

Further down the pyramid is FC United of Manchester who are getting crowds of 2500 clappp

ptbap · **Posted:** Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:27 am

Nobody deserves to be in the football league. At the end of every season you finish in the position you deserve to finish in. There are one or two exceptions, but on the whole it's worked pretty well for the last 100+ years.

Exeter, Torquay, York and the rest are in the conference because they were not good enough to stay in the league, and equally are not good enough to get back in.

As for Ebbsfleet. I still see nothing wrong with what has happened at that club. Isn't Barcelona ran in a very similar way, membership scheme kind of thing.

loyal blue · **Joined:** Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:53 pm **Posts:** 1912

chip fireball wrote:

parmopooly wrote:

I think players getting 150k a week is just as bad to be honest

there are football league clubs going under, for what frank lampard, one single player, at one single premiership club, will earn in one single MONTH.

that boils my piss.

Michael Owen £140k at Newcastle

parmopooly · **Posted:** Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:45 am

Exeter are back in the League now Mr PTAB!!!

parmopooly · **Posted:** Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:46 am

i ALSO AGREE WITHT HE NOTION THAT IT SHOULD NOW BE 3 UP 3DOWN, WITH THE FIRST TWO PLACES GETTING AUTOMATIC PROMOTION, AND 3RD PLACE TO 6TH BEING THE NORMAL PLAY OFF FORMAT

parmopooly · **Posted:** Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:47 am

AAAAAAAAAARRRGGHHH!! cAPS wrong way round!! I look at the keys and not at the screen!!!!Can youse tell? :uhoh:

ptbap · **Posted:** Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:56 am

Exeter, oh yeah, good for them!!

Must have been confused when I saw they result against that non league team from Darlington the other week.

Gerry Mandrake · **Joined:** Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:23 pm **Posts:** 1426

chip fireball wrote:

well is it any worse than a club allegedly being bought by an oil bloke based in another country allegedly using the money given to him by another bloke in a third country to allegedly exploit a trade loophole when neither of them have any prior interest in said team.

or the most famous club in the country being bought by a pair of yanks with no prior interest in football whatsoever.

and the club across the city from that club being bought by an allegedly corrupt president of a country on the other side of the world.

both of whom are chasing for the premiership title a club owned by a man who allegedly pillaged his own countries oil industry and fled her with his billions to avoid prison.

wherever you care to look football clubs have become the playthings of wealthy businessmen with no prior interest in the clubs they have bought.

you could even argue that ebbsfleet are owned by folk with more honesty and transparency than than the top dozen biggest clubs in england .

should they make the football league they will no doubt do a rushden.

as for torquay... nice place, friendly fans, crap ground, but they have no more automatic right to a place in the league than anyone else. i think 2 up and 2 down from the conference is a great idea. the better clubs will come back up if they drop down there, donny and carlisle being obvious examples.

Too right. :grin:

Cowboy · **Posted:** Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:15 pm

chip fireball wrote:

parmopooly wrote:

I think players getting 150k a week is just as bad to be honest

there are football league clubs going under, for what frank lampard, one single player, at one single premiership club, will earn in one single MONTH.

that boils my piss.

Well said Chip - couldn't agree more clappp

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37311

PJ_Poolie wrote:

It pains me to see proper league clubs like Torquay, York, and Wrexham playing at that level when the fourth division is filling up with tin pot non league clubs like Dagenham, Accrington, and Darlington.

Any club that works its way up into the league deserves eveything it gets, it's earned the right, as for the 'proper clubs' ...tough. Do you want to go back to re-election?

TickhillPoolie · **Posted:** Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:05 am

What about the rumour that Newcastle are prepared to pay Owen £140k a week. That has got to be the highest sick pay on record. stpid

ptbap · **Posted:** Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:12 am

I don't buy the whole "it's wrong" argument.

Who's to decide what is right or wrong?

There's people working in the financial tower blocks of Canary Wharf that are earning 100 times a week more than I do. It's the same in any job isn't it?

One on hand we've agreed that clubs are in or out of the league because they deserve to be, it's how they have been ran. Well isn't that the same for their finances? If they are going into administration it's because they are either being ran badly or they are not economically viable.

There are plenty of businesses that close down because they can't attract enough customers or compete with bigger rival companies, why should football be any different?

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:47 pm

PJ_Poolie wrote:

the fourth division is filling up with tin pot non league clubs like Dagenham, Accrington, and Darlington.

Accrington are a good old fashioned proper club! Or at least the reincarnation of one,
not arrivistes like bloody Scunthorpe who have scarcely been in the league 50 years!

poolieinnottingham · **Posted:** Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:56 pm

Quality use of the word 'arrivistes' there Mr Head.

Poolie of Kent · **Posted:** Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:26 pm

chip fireball wrote:

why ?

its only gravesend and northfleet getting their noggins together in the same way that rushden and irthlingborough diamonds did, or the two inverness teams. or for that matter hartlepool and west hartlepool.

To be honest the thing that angers me about Gravesend IS the name change. Nobody apart from those who live down here know where Ebbsfleet is only because in recent years they've built the new Ebbsfleet International railway station for the Eurostar (indeed the train to continental Europe actually passes alongside the M2 Coastbound, cutting through the Medway Valley on the Medway Valley Bridge, some 20 minutes from Gillingham and the Priestfield Stadium.)

Before Ebbsfleet was bulit nobody knew Ebbsfleet was in Kent and now they've changed their name, people still have to ask where Ebbsfleet is even though they have the new railway station.

I'm annoyed because they switched from being Gravesend, which as the sign says welcoming travellers to Gravesend, it is a "Riverside Heritage Town". The Native American tribal princess Pocahontas, in which her story of her forbidden love for the English American Colonial Settler John Smith (no relation to the bitter bloke !) has been told in a Disney film, first landed in England at the Thames river port of Gravesend. You can also get the ferry across the Thames from there to Tilbury and Essex.

Apart from the railway station, no real settlement at Ebbsfleet exists, the station is located in a former chalk quarry. Indeed, the station at Ebbsfleet is just visible about half a mile away from Northfleet station, which is only two minutes from Gravesend (the nearest main railway staion to Gravesend and Northfleet/Ebbsfleet).

Which makes me wonder, why didn't they build the new international station and call it Northfleet International Station ?

ptbap · **Posted:** Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:29 pm

eh?

andyp · **Joined:** Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:54 am **Posts:** 856

poolieinnottingham wrote:

Quality use of the word 'arrivistes' there Mr Head.

Aye and possibly the first use of the word connected to anything from Scunthorpe.

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:04 pm

Snowy wrote:

PJ_Poolie wrote:

It pains me to see proper league clubs like Torquay, York, and Wrexham playing at that level when the fourth division is filling up with tin pot non league clubs like Dagenham, Accrington, and Darlington.

Any club that works its way up into the league deserves eveything it gets, it's earned the right, as for the 'proper clubs' ...tough. Do you want to go back to re-election?

Richard M. Head wrote:

PJ_Poolie wrote:

the fourth division is filling up with tin pot non league clubs like Dagenham, Accrington, and Darlington.

Accrington are a good old fashioned proper club! Or at least the reincarnation of one,
not arrivistes like bloody Scunthorpe who have scarcely been in the league 50 years!

I'd just like to stress that the sole intention of my post was to have to cheap shot at Darlington. I apologise profusely to any other clubs whom I may of offended in having this cheap shot.

I hope this clears things up :wink:

parmopooly · **Posted:** Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:22 pm

ptbap wrote:

eh?

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