Why is it that whenever there's a stabbing the person responsible is almost always a 'young black male?'

Now I know I'm going to get people playing the race card here but like I ever cared. Last weekend for example; one in London and one in Nottingham.

In London the Police have arrested four 'young black males'
In Nottingham the Police have arrested two 'young black males'

Is there something in the psyche of the YBM that makes them commit these crimes? I live in Nottingham and its almost invariable that knife crime will be as a result of a young black wielding a blade. So much so that there are gangs springing up left right and centre to act as vigilantes. Race war is already here in this city.

No bleeding hearts please.

here here.

its not just knife crime now though. its all general deaths and beatings, as well as rape etc. watching crimewatch, its seems the same backgrounds in every case

I don't think it's right to say young black males. Yes it may be true that 95% of the kids involved in these crimes are young black males, BUT they are minority of young black males confined to one section of the class system. These are kids from rough areas with rough upbringings and backgrounds.

To say it's anything to do with the colour of skin is wrong the majority of ethnic minorities live on the rough side of town, it's the areas of town they come from and the way those areas are going that are the problem.

Or we could just send the buggers back.

How can you not blame young black males when you admit yourself 95% of crimes are by young black males?

Because that is like saying that every young black male in Great Britain is likely to stab or rape you, that clearly isn't the case.

There is gang/knife culture in one section of the black community, you can't just tar (not being racist or owt) them all with the same brush.

If it's 95% though then surely thats enough to blame the majority of the community?

Yes those living on rough estates in big cities, how are you managing to miss my point!?

Are 'young black males' a problem, say for example, in Hartlepool? How many crimes are they responsible for here?

Oh do give over! There are only two young black males in the whole town. It's only slightly more relevant as analysing the problems in Hartlepool caused by Martians.

Yes but equally in these areas of London and Nottingham where knife crime appears rife the vast majority of people are black.

It was 3 but antwi has left.

using hpool as an example of black crime is a bit pointless pj.

my point was that in one sentence you admit it's 95% commited by them but basically say we can't blame them, how's that work?

So is it entirely coincidental that knifings seem to be predominantly carried out by young niggers?

What I'm arguing is that not ALL young black males are a problem, and that skin colour is the not the issue. The issue is these estates and these gang cultures they embroil themselves in, plenty of white kids from similar upbringings get involved as well on these rough inner city estates but the majority happen to be black.

It's not a race issue it's a class issue.

It is bred in them, it must be you only have to look what they are doing to each other in Zimbabwe, Rwanda, ..........

wouldn't generalise quite that much but thats kind of the question I was pondering.

12% of inmates in high security prisons are muslims

i would let them serve a part of their sentence and then deport

save us thousands

that goes for all mind not just muslims why should we pay to feed em

In actual fact, the stats on knife crime haven't changed in decades. There's always been a cult of choice in the post school pre-family youth of the country..

1948-1958 - Spivs - Weapon of choice, razor blades embedded in corks
1958-1963 - Teddies - Weapon of Choice - Cut throat razors
1964-1968 - Mods and Rockers - Weapons of Choice - Sharpened bike chains and flick knives
1969-1974 - Skinheads - Mutley, fill us in. Just the detail, not the kicking.
1975-1978 - Suedeheads.................you get the picture

Currently it's black fashion, rapping, doping, disrespecting and stabbing whilst wearing a hood and a baseball cap, but there's always been sumat similar, it's only how they dress.

The difference is in the press approach and currently it's strident and shrill. Have you noticed it's only ever 'angels' that get stabbed??
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You are right there might have been Knives carried by teddy boys, rockers....
for decades but dont you think that was just for show and if it come to it do you think many of them would use one !

Now they are carrying knives to use and wouldnt think twice about stabbing somebody

I blame all the shit music they listen to, mother fucker this, mother fucker that, shoot this, shoot that,

yeah that makes sense

i listen to Eminem & 50 cent a lot, i may have 'bad taste' in music but i certainly haven't nor ever will go around trying to kill people.

its simply a case of young people brough up in rough areas and if you can pull up the stats somewhere the vast majority do not have a male role model or 'father figure' in their lives.

the damning thing is that this has all started to happen since they stopped allowing 'real' punishment.

bring back much tougher sentences and punishments and we might just see a difference.

There used to be a saying in South Africa, that you could take them out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out of them.Maybe it's an inbuilt thing

Might I suggest that if prisons were austere, boring places devoid of any pleasures save a radio tuned to radio 4 and a plain but nourishing diet (lots of sprouts and brocolli), we could probably cut the length of sentences...apart from austere bores turned on by Radio 4 who would be in Pig heaven

I have an idea, I know what scares these you black males off........ Ghosts. Let's some bed sheets and a cross that'll spook 'em and they'll stop stabbing people and maybe even eating one another.

I love sprouts

Sorry Chip but that bollocks.

You list a load of black kids names that were stabbed but what you failed to point out is that without exception they were killed by black youths.

devoe roach - 16 year old black youth arrested and charged
henry bolombi - stabbed by a black youth from a rival gang
fuad buraleh - cant find any info on arrests

sunday essiet - killed by a young black crack dealer
tung le - stabbed in the heart. Police looking for information on a black youth seen running away from the scene
ofiyke nmezu - cant find any info on arrests
arsema dawit - young black youth arrested within an hour

anyone see a pattern developing.

Damn right I do!


you will be telling me next that stephen lawrence was killed by a black gang.

Nope, nobody is saying that there are no white bad 'uns but there does seem to be a pattern here. Murder in big city usually results in the arrest of a YBM.

Just read your second post, I entirely reject the fact that a poor environment is the main reason that these scumbags are running around stabbing people. Why were there not thousands of bodies littering the streets of Britain in the 30's depression?

I live in a highly multi cultural city and believe me, the vast majority of knife and gun crime is carried out by.............. yes you guessed it; young black males.

There are three very dangerous areas of Nottingham where the gun and knife crime is rife. Wanna take a stab in the dark at the ethnic make up of these areas?

deport to homeland so far through the sentence and their families.

we should toughen up

this goes for all continents and scousers

My concern is two kids who are growing up in Nottingham.

No i am commenting on the cost to the nation of crime committed by first generation 'immigrants'.

Without wanting to sound bigoted i belive that the cost of these criminals is now cripppling the country

You're a belligerent twat at times aren't you

I think chips views are similar to mine earlier in the day, that colour of skin aren't the issue here. I can understand your concerns as you are a father but I think if you looked into these crimes they aren't random. If your kids aren't involved with these gangs they are in no danger of God forbid 'disrespecting' these people (often enough of an excuse to plunge a knife into you). Over 7,000,000 people live in London these 'gang' young black males are very,very, much in the minority.

I've see some horrific 'white on white' crimes much closer to home of late below are a couple of horrific brutal examples, it's a country wide problem covering every race but it's confined to the bottom rung of people of the class ladder the 'chav' culture' if you wish it's just obviously more frequent in the capital as it's bound to be. Unfortunately as in other big cities most of these kids on the bottom rung are black;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wear/7202351.stm

http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east ... -20508917/

I like sprouts, brocolli and radio 4.

but at least the cameras in the towns will be used to stamp out the serious crime, such as dropping litter and speeding (oh and surveillance of hardened criminals, such as following people home to see if their kids really do live in the school catchment area).
I'm glad this country isn't bonkers.

So because they haven't got a football pitch its al right for them to run around knifing people and the answer is to give them a treat?

Tell you what, we could have a stepped punishment system:

A minor scuffle - a weekend in Margate
ABH - A long weekend in Cornwall
GBH - Paris / Rome
Attempted murder - Las Vegas
Murder - Hawaii

They are not 'kids' they are young thugs and drug pushers. Bang the bastards up.

to suggest that black males are responsible for most rape is just downright ridiculous and wrong and offensive. That is definitely not true - regardless of what you see on crimewatch

to suggest that black males are responsible for most knife or gun crime in certain cities is a debate that needs to be had and a debate the black community should be having as well - as a few (but not enough) seem to be.

edit - Chip makes sense; the issue lies with gangs and the reasons kids join them, as most crime in gang on gang. The black community needs to address this - as does all other communities. There's plenty of asian gangs down in London. I worked outreach in the Isle of Dogs, Tower Hamlets and the asians (mainly Bangladeshi) were tooled up there. I also know plenty of white young men who have carried (and possibly still do) knives in Newcastle. They say its for protection. I tell them how stupid it is and explain.
PS - Brixton is the only place in London I miss. The rest is crap. I lived in Brixton Hill for six years and never once was threatened. I saw more violence in Hartlepool on a night out - or up this way in Newcastle. Violence with fists is disgusting too. Its just not as lethal thankfully

Have you any data on what percentage of drunk-driving deaths are caused by young black males?

Nothing to report from my perspective, I was never a hooligan.

thats a good point maybe these young black kids and there familys that have come from war town countrys were problems are sorted out with a machete walk in to this country with no checks in to there history and sort out problems the only way they know how violence.

Anyone remember the Pooly Boot Boys?

I dont disagree that there is a lot of bad white people about and like i have said before i would rather live next door to a decent family of any race than live next door to white scum
We dont have a great deal of mixed cultures in Hartlepool so the chances of being attacked by one is very very slim, but the facts are that this gang thing in this country is a black one and you cant deny that
Of all them people who have been arrested for these stabbings i wonder how many of them where born in this great country of ours or have come from some place where they have no respect life.
And by the way Iraq and Vietnam is War so what fook has that got to do with anything

Because it's not our war.

I thought our brave boys where over there, silly me

They are - mores the pity.

Mr Head is right, its not our fight. The British forces are in existance to defend British people and British territory, we should not be invading other peoples countries.

Pretty much agree.

The black thing is more for descriptive purposes. I don't think there's a violence tripswitch in black people, just social classes and culture generally working that way. If they used the word chav to describe each one of them that committed a reportable crime, it'd be pretty much every other one. Class thing.

EDIT: After reading the rest, Katcha's got it in one. Not that I'll be agreed with by anyone myself, that's been made clear plenty of times through past snipes