Me and two other Pools fans (and probably a few others) got off the train. Cleveland Police pushed us together with a couple of hundred Darlow fans and marched us to the Jackson Wharfe. Thank god, they were all half our size and they didn't twig we were Pools fans. Brilliant idea from Cleveland police to do this to Darlow fans but they should have realised that some Pools fans use the station.

Anyway, just as we got to the Jackson Wharfe, we finally had the chance to tell them. Then they had the nerve to ask me if I'd sent texts informing the other Poolies to where they were.

As for going home, that was a nice farce. We obviously couldn't go inside the station until the Darlow had gone home, and one of them suggested why don't you have a bit to eat. Needless to say, we attempted to go to Pizza Hut and had a couple of police horses chase us away.

I suppose it could have been worse and I can laugh about it now. I won't forget this day in a hurry.

Police really are a waste of time - the 20/30 darlo lads were that were penned in by them near morrisons carwash at end of game should have been shifted elsewhere prior to this as all it seemed to take was one quick phone call and three times as many hartlpeool lads there to meet them. Police then en mass just got stuck in to the Pools lads (including your genuine supporters trying to head home and the youngs uns just loitering around)- horseriders whipping and rest batoning and dragging and kicking - 3 on to 1 some cases - the police like a ruck more than anyone else and the ruck and the few arrests can go to justifying the same numbers next year and for other big games. I saw the helicopter, 4 dogs - one got too close - don't like german shephards - and at least eight horses - overkill.

Police fook up again logistically, but i believe on purpose - they love it and they know they do etc - fair enough the only ones who were attempting to threw any sort of punch fan wise were not from loidsville as they sharply trotted along to station, but again a mountain out of a molehill and a totally OTT and unneccesarry waste of policing (all were not from cleveland by the way - durham to blame too).

Of course some policing needs to take place, but common sense needs to be adopted too. I've been to games where we've been kept in for 30 minutes or so at the end just to make sure the streets are clear etc. rethink cleveland police, rethink - too many bystanders getting tarred with same brush and you are losing the plot again.

I left via the Town End and cut across Morrisons car park; there were people everywhere, running in all directions, police cars driving down Clarence Road with sirens on, a chopper circling Church Square, other police cars parked dramatically in the middle of roads, horses everywhere... it was like a riot, yet the only ones causing it were the police

Complain, complain, complain!

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/

I complained about the Halifax debacle (the Live on Sky jobbie) a few years back and got nowhere. IPCC didn't want to know unless I'd complained to the force first, West Yorks Police were mostly uninterested and blamed Pools Fans that they said had been drinking for hours despite the fact that the trouble was caused to them blatantly over-reacting to one bloke running on the pitch during HT. I recall that the court cases against anyone that didn't plead guilty were quietly dropped, presumably on the grounds that they didn't want the Sky pictures to be shown in court as they were just hitting out at random having completely lost their heads....

Who remember the York game a few years ago when the Police stormed into a perfectly peaceful crowd because they were chanting stuff.

The bad news for the coppers was when they started wielding their truncheons the crowd reacted against it and the two coppers went down under the feet of the crowd. The rest is predictable.

Well I had a couple of mates come up to Pools for the first time from Leeds. they got caught up in this. I asked my mate if Katcha account was a fair one, he said yes.

I agree it is too easy to blame the Police and they do get the blamed unnecessarily for lots of things but I have been to too many matches where the Police has caused/inflamed a situation.

ACAB

KOSMO

So I imagined Halifax a few years back, and the miners strike and countless other 'Police Actions'?

Ooh, we haven't done the miners strike for a while Can I start by saying that if the petty theft was not so institutionalised within the mines then they would not have been so uneconomical.

Never mind Liddle Towers, they'll at least name a block of flats after you!

i hate the ploice [not just the band], heavy-handed arrogant bunch of wa nkers

The mines werent closed because of economics, they were closed because maggot thatcher had a hard on for the miners for fooking her over 10 years earlier

Blue Murder
The Tom Robinson Band


He wasn't a loony with a sawn-off gun
A dangerous terrorist on the run
He'd never been mugging or molested a nun
He was really quite a regular guy...
Six pints sober in the club one night
He started to argue with the law outside -
Gets arrested and his hands are tied

Liddley-die...
Lie lie lie diddley lie
Die die die Liddley die
Well they kicked him far and they kicked him wide

He was kicked outdoors, he was kicked inside
Kicked in the front and the back and the side
It really was a hell of a fight...
He screamed blue murder in the cell that night
But he must have been wrong cos they all deny it
Gateshead station - police and quiet
Liddley-die...

Lie lie lie diddley lie
Die die die Liddley die

It was eight to one and the one man died
But the coroner said he was satisfied
Killing Liddle was justified
He really was a desperate man...
So if you figure on staying alive
Button your lip and just swallow your pride
And don't make trouble when your hands are tied
Liddley-die...

Lie lie lie diddley lie
Why why why Liddley die?




Angelic Upstarts
The Murder Of Liddle Towers
Who killed Liddle?
Did you kill Liddle?
Who killed Liddle?
Police killed Liddle Towers

Who killed Liddle?
Did you kill Liddle?
Who killed Liddle?
Did you kill Liddle Towers?
Who killed Liddle?
Did you kill Liddle?
Who killed Liddle?
Police killed Liddle Towers

Why did he die, or did they lie?
I think he's dead, so a doctor said
He was beaten black, He was beaten blue
But don't be alarmed, it was the right thing to do
The police have the power, Police have the right
To kill a man to take away his life
Drunk and disorderly was his crime
I think at worst he should be doing time
But he's dead
He was drunk and disorderly and now he's dead

Questions are unanswered
Policeman scared to talk
Perhaps they are hiding something
Will my message get across
Please tell me why, why did he die
Please tell me now, and tell me how

Police have the answers
But they haven't got the right, to kill a man
To take away his life
Perhaps I'm not to clever, perhaps I'm not to bright
But I think your verdict was just a lie, a lie, a lie, lie

Murder, murder, murder, murder...
MURDER

Who killed Liddle?
Did you kill Liddle?
Who killed Liddle?
Police killed Liddle Towers
Who killed Liddle?
Did you kill Liddle?
Who killed Liddle?
Police killed Liddle Towers

No they weren't. They were losing fortunes and whilst I agree that the Baroness was determined that these militant lefties would not again bring down a goverment, in the end they were closed because the miners were too greedy with ever increasing wage demands which made coal too expensive compared to Polish coal.

Couple of cheery songs to get you through the day!

Indeed !!!

ACAB = all coppers are bastids (70's expression) similarly ASAB (screws) ATAB (teachers) ARAB (reporters) AEAB (Estimators)
KOSMO = owton manor skins ok (another 70's expression)

Errr..shouldnt that be OMSOK Mr I?

It should have but it was always spelt backwards, in the same way as most of the people who scrawled this name were backward.

I remember seeing KOSMO written everywhere.

I lived on the Fens tho' and was therefore one of the "posh" kids.

They used to call the Fens "Hungry Hill" cos alledgedly our parents spent all the money on mortgages and the house and none on food!!

They call Bishop Cuthbert "Jam and Bread Hill" because that's all they eat too

And Halifax Police "brutality" - was that when we beat them 2-0 the season they went down and we went up? I remember that fat bloke swinging on the crossbar after we'd scored, then promptly landed on his arse, then got escorted away

So being goaded, makes it OK to attack other people then?

Where do you want me to start?

A quick list off the top of my head.

The Royal Commission on Criminal Justice
The McPerson Report
The Scarman Report
The Independent Police Complaints Commission (not the Police Complaints Commission - this was a police body, hardly surprising that they didn't uphold many complaints)
The Royal Commission on Criminal Procedure
The Court of Appeal (choose your miscarriage of justice case - there are many)

For instance, I've looked at Scarman's report for less than a minute. To quote:

"I have little doubt from the weight of evidence that there were certain instances in which police officers over reacted during the disorders, behaved aggressively and used excessive force."

I could easily find more like this.

I could go on. But I can't be arsed.

Ahh so there are different levels of 'goading' are they?

I cannot remember one Hartlepool fan at Halifax carrying an ironn bar, but they still waded in

You asked the stupid question, I answered it. You made the claim, I refuted it. It proves, therefore, that, as usual, you're talking out of your arse. I can see why you watch the game with Leeds.

The CRS (what you might loosely call riot squads) tend to work a street over then ask questions later.
If you'd seen the CRS in action I suspect you'd be even less inclined to tolerate "random baton swinging" in the UK.

I'm not saying the British bobbies do or don't swing randomly, just observing what happens in a country where they do.

IN AN IDEAL WORLD LADS THIS 'DEBATE' WOULDN'T BE TAKING PLACE... so let's accept shit happens. As a matter of interest a Brit resident in a very civilised European country told me the difference between British police and his local version ..... ask a copper in the UK the time and you'll probably get it, ...don't even think of asking it over here, they're not that kind of police...FOOTBALL ANYONE...?

cornelius lives in the world were the police are ok and always right - he has clearly never lived near anywhere practically approaching the 'other side of the law' and encountered the corruption, abuse, arrogance, hypocrisy, favours etc etc in relation to the way that they behave. Jsut get yourself in the whitehouse for a drink on a eve and see the way they perform. upholders of the law my arse. An accquaintance in a past life mentioned a police in joke was that 99% of them were on drugs and the other 1% were on the sick.

For him to so one-eyedly believe that the police are angelic and free of blame is a total and utter joke and disgrace.

Fookin hell the stories I could tell....but clearly won't as the behaviour I have seen and heard of re the old bill is no longer a surprise.

That is why I am not surprised by the behaviour described in my earlier post, which can be ratified by other bunkerites who were present...I stated that once again they over reacted and had a logistical nightmare.

And why the fook should I care to compare our police to others, i live here and pay my taxes here - i dont give a rats arse what the police in warsaw or bogota get up.

Gsuz.

Also I prefer Synchronicity era to Regetta Da Blanc.

I think it is naive to suggest there is no corruption in any organisation, regardless of what it is. Human nature always comes to the fore, and once a few individuals get their heads together it is always going to happen (whether it be a case of, "Ha'way lads let's clip a few of these c***ts over here, " or skimming off a few quid here and there when possible). It all depends which side of the fence you occupy, so police officers aren't going to own up to any wrong-doing - and people who accuse them of wrong-doing aren't going to believe the police aren't doing it (if you see what I mean).
I think it's always best not to get on the wrong side of anybody involved in crime, and equally so the wrong side of anybody in the police force - because both can equally make life hell for you and there's not much a single individual can do about that. I always find it's better to keep quiet if someone "out of your league" is saying something unpleasant to you, because usually that's all that will happen and it's the last you'll hear of it.

YOU ARE SPOT ON PARMO....you just have to accept in life that those with the power will sometimes abuse it and those who poke crocdiles with sticks will get bitten..I'm just surprised that people are surprised by this.

Methinks Mr Atweasle is on a bit of a wind up here.

I too have witnessed many instances of policing which at the very least you could describe as 'heavy handed'.

I give them a wide berth whatever situation I am in, especially at away games.

A significant proportion of the police are bastids. Factoid.

nottingham says "I give them a wide berth whatever situation I am in"

......the worrying thing is, will it be possible to give them a wide berth once we have ID cards?

No, well, they would have a job keeping up with you, certainly!!

Don't worry...your secret is safe with me

Really, ADG, things are worse with you than I thought.

Identity cards depend for their efficiency on the fact that there is one card for one identity. That is the key factor in their success. Now, you see how that necessary link would fail in your case?

And there was I thinking you had it all worked out

Well, that's a relief....