What makes my blood boil about this is the way the EU, even after losing the refendum keep coming back with another referendum till they get the vote they want. Would they have another referendum if they'd voted 'yes'...I THINK NOT! This sort of politics would be frowned upon in a dictatorship yet no one bats an eye when the EU do it

Most people just agree with what goes on knowing there is little or nothing they can do to change things. When people stand up to change things the media cast them as villains or loonys (and sometimes they are). I guess that one persons change for the good is anothers change for the worse.
Putting a cross on a ballot paper every 5 years is about it in terms of democracy.

This is the difference between EU referenda and Swiss referenda. The Swiss referendum is a veto, their equivalent of the House of Lords if you like, except it's the people who get to overturn crap parliamentary decisions. And it's engraved in the constitution, so politicians can't just pick and choose what they're going to put to referendum.
But of course in countries with self-perpetuating faux democracies (i.e. every western country except Switzerland), the referendum is something else entirely, a tool for the political class.

Democracy: make me laugh!!

Who cares

last time the germans and the french
this time the oirish
when is it our turn

Last time the Dutch and the French

When Mugabe won't listen to the voters in his country its shocking but in the EUits acceptable strange.

Maybe there's a chance after all. This is the second time the irish have screwed the EU.

Gordon just sauntered into Brussels, late, yawned, farted and signed everyone up for this shit. Yeah I know it's a fag to read it but it just might be important if you don't want your kids in an European Army....... And some other horrible shit.

Now I know how people like our MP get elected

I didn't vote for that bounder, that's for sure.

Europhobia is even easier to fall victim to than voting for Mongychops, if you actually do some reading into the thing you may realise it's incomparable to a dictatorship or a federal state.

It's not perfect, but I'm pro-European. Most of the problems we have with the EU are entirely our own fault.

And I'm aware that being pro-European now means the target on my head is now much bigger

we joined and have stayed in the EU to keep our enemies near - now the germans have won the war at last and the collabarotors are towing the line

muppet

Why do you assume I haven't read into the subject, you can hardly debate a subject if you haven't, the ability to understand the tortured machinations of the EU is hardly the exclusive preserve of the enlightened euro-clones.
Any organisation that keeps a 'straight face;' while advocating having new refendums till the electorate 'get it right', has to disturb anyone with a sense of right and wrong.

Oh, my bad, I just thought you read books about painfully witty retorts from the comeback kings of the 19th century

Seriously though, being pro-European hardly equates to an enlightened euro clone.

Ever considered going into politics..? My original post was about the undemocratic way the EU keeps making people taking referendums till they get the 'right' result, you said ...'who cares'...well for someone who doesn't care you suddenly became very interested...then, like a trainee politician you fail to address my original question and make sarcastic comments about what you perceive to be my reading habits in the hope it will deflect the point of my post...it won't.
We'll try again, do you approve or disapprove of an organisation that keeps holding votes till the result comes out to their satisfaction?,
p.s. .... don't confuse pro European with pro EU, two totally different things altogether.

You'll find that I'm true - Ted Heath who joined stated after entering the EU that it was to know what everyone else was up to and now the Prussians and their collaborators have the Uk by the beaureacratic balls

Snowy, fancy you accusing somebody of making sarcastic comments. I nearly fell off me chair.

Sorry, I zoned out halfway through that, but I think I kept it together. Mainly out of laughing because you're so quick to be sarky with others but spit your dummy out when it comes back to you. You're so easy to wind up

Maybe if you didn't overload your question with bias I might have a chance at thinking about it properly. I never said that the EU was perfect, but it has one hell of a lot going for it. The countries have turned down the treaty in their referendums, which is what they're for. They're not forcing anything. It's the countries who choose to have a referendum or not. We should have a referendum regardless of the result.

ADG, you seem to forget that being left of centre and pro-Europe is probably the least American you can get. Not that you care of course.

You just drop a line.

Repeat something as if it sounds true.

Knock out a joke.

Then say you're never wrong.

So predictable. You should change your name again

The same EU that requires trapeze artists to wear hard hats, trawlermen wearing hairnets and sausages being renamed emulsified high-fat offal tubes?



Yes, actually, you could.

Nice comeback though. Really showed your early morning wit there

Who he??

Ted Heath didn't join the EU, Ted Heath joined the Common Market which was all about mutual trade and nowt to do with sovereignty. It was subsequent and mainly Labour leaders who realised that if they got their trotters in the trough deep enough they'd be richly rewarded for selling the country in small chunks to Brussels. Difficulty now is that the UK will probably become a level two member and all those perks we never got will be withdrawn.....

Like I fookin' care

Well think away, ... it wasn't a hard question, but you've obviously been playing too much of your American 'Football' without the head gear.

Wattya expect...?

Witty as per.

I answered the question though, so my work here is done. If people keep voting no, then they have to revise it. Simple really. They're not forcing it on anyone, just gauging reaction. Considering the EU has strict guidelines in the Maastricht Treaty regarding anti-federalism and subsidiarity, it's not as if it'll become a United States of Europe.

On a serious note arent most gingers from ireland

On an even more serious note, is it true Sussex that you and your 'companion' run a guest house in Brighton...?

It's virtually a United States of Europe now......

Wattya trying to say, Snowy?

eu=common market - not going to disagree with you but he set the ball rolling but i was in nursery at the time and the tv coverage was shocking those days and you will remember better than me.

Companion ? Who Mr Humphries

No it isn't.

There was talk of a seventh 'village person'...what outfit did you wear?