Funnily enough, I concur.

P45 for the perpetrator(s) in my opinion.

I know.

But as I have said since this ludicrous scheme was announced the problem that I have with it is not whether or not I could manipulate it to my advantage, it is the fact that the whole principle of it is discriminatory against existing season ticket holders.

The example that you have given is one of the reasons why I said that it was wrong from the outset. Maybe some people are only just clicking on to the problems now?

Translation: buggered if I'm going to help recruit new season ticket holders.
Sorry, but this case is no different from any other.

Sorry, but that is a sack of cack Mr Head.

There is a world of difference between trying to get friends or family to buy a season ticket and "advertising for help" to go and purchase your ticket with a complete stranger purely to manipulate / cheat / defraud* a stupid system.


* delete as you see applicable depending on the level of culpability you are prepared to accept for any actions you may be taking.

Easy?

The old guy sees advertising for an interested party as manipulating / cheating / defrauding* the system because he has morals and as said in the original post "does everything by the book".

Happens he is right too.

* delete as you see applicable depending on the level of culpability you are prepared to accept for any actions you may be taking.

Tell the person who told you to tell the old 'un to visit the bunker.

The way I see it the club are trying to create a situation where everyone wins: people get reductions by combining purchases in such a way that the club gets new season ticket holders. That seems a perfectly sound marketing strategy to me, and I don't see how going out and finding a "buddy" rather than have one ready and waiting is immoral or spoils that strategy.

Now if you're saying old men shouldn't have to go looking for new recruits that's a different matter altogether.

The way I see it most of the people who are happiest about this crazy offer are people who didn't have a season ticket last season. To me that perfectly illustrates the attitude that HUFC (or certain employees) have towards the folk who they think that they can take for granted or repeatedly shite upon.

I refer the Right Honourable poster (who didn't have a season ticket last year) to my previous answer.

Although I know why you didn't get one last summer, and I don't blame you if you weren't gonna get to enough matches, the reasons as to why you didn't have one last season are irrelevant in this instance. My point was that most of the people happy with this deal didn't have one last season for whatever reason. You are merely reinforcing that view.

The problem is...

Well I think you know what I think the problem is.

Some people object to being taken for granted, others seem to think that it is ok- we'll just have to agree to disagree Mr Mad.

I suspect there will be more existing season ticket holders who are happy to benefit from this deal than there are whingers, in which case it will have been a marketing success.
I guess we'll only know that when season ticket sales are done and dusted.

Agreed.

Or when the sales for the next three seasons are analysed.

I'm not buying one this season (or ever again) becaue of their bolox and I know a few others who aren't getting them this season either.

Wait and see how many who buy them on the cheap this season renew in subsequent years when they have to pay full price.

If these two elderly people are above sixty five they would get BOTH tickets for a total of £318, which is a TWENTY ONE per cent reduction on last year. Full paying adults are enjoying a ten per cent reduction.
Pensioners have enjoyed a better percentage discount than full paying adults. I am quite happy to see that, mainly because I have never cried because my slice of cake isn't the biggest.
I have however got off my fat ass, made a two hundred plus round trip to save even more money and, at the same time made another two Poolies happy. One of those Poolies also bought season tickets for his children. Pools got another four season ticket holders, which is the object of the exercise. Every question the club asked was answered, every request for information and proof of identity was satisfied and all parties are now happy.
The promotion may not result in people renewing next year, but if a proportion do Pools will see it as a step forward. As with all promotional offers, in any marketing situation, it carries a risk. The first objective is to get extra bums on seats, or feet on terracing. Chances are it may well do that.
Oh I nearly forgot. I got a very nice letter from Mr Hodcroft today thanking me for my past support.

What's up Mr Ripper, don't you like to hear some good news??

I love good news.

I just get tired of condescending attitudes conveyed by comments such as, "... I have never cried because my slice of cake isn't the biggest."

You're gonna be doing a lot of yawning then, buddy.
Did you get bullied in the school playground?

Yeah, I'm gonna be yawning for England.

Did you get nonced in your uncle's bedroom?

Regularly.

Exactly

You're right in one sense Sir Ripper but theres other factors to take into account - mainly the extremely dull season we've just had and the fact most supporters are not behind the current manager. Surely that contributes just as much if not more than any 'deal' the club are putting on?

I mentioned this last week Ripper and you never replied.

You're not going to get a season ticket but you know you'll be at more than 50% of the games. (you can deny you won't be but we both know you will).

So if you don't get a season ticket you will be giving the club more money than if you do get one. If you want to get the club back then giving them more money is surely not the way forward?

Who said that I want to "get the club back"?

And money certainly isn't the issue. If the price of a terrace season ticket had been a flat rate of £400+ for next season I would have bought one without a second thought.

And how do you know that I'll be at a certain number of games?

If I don't have a season ticket then I'll probably go over to Spain a few times during the season (I've already booked to go in August) and so will probably miss up to half a dozen games not being in the country.

And that's before you consider the potential excitement of the long ball to Barker in the middle of January when we've not played well for months.

It just so happens Danny WIlson is reading this thread and he's going to get his own back on ya by making sure you've paid to get in before playing Barker.

Mr Ripper can stay very cross indeed for an impressively long time, innit.


Thing is, he's probably right

Unless you get 50 days holiday from work there is no chance you will miss six home games by going to Spain. We play every other Saturday at home so you'd have to go at least 10 times to do that and that would include the unlikely event of including a couple of Tuesday night games.

Admittedly you have never said you want to get the club back but if someone had pissed me off and I had the opportunity to deprive them of several hundred pounds then I'd take it with both hands.

You can swear blind that you won't be at more than 50% of the games next season but it's true and you know it!!

I wonder what the prices will be next season....... are the opportunists gonna pay the price next year...?

At this moment I think I will be at more than 50% of the home league games. Not so sure about 75% though.

50 days holiday a year would be nice, but I don't quite get that. But you don't have to go away for a fortnight at a time you know. A nice long weekend is always canny though without having to have too long off work, it's only two and a bit hours on the plane from Teesside or Newcastle and half an hour drive from Faro airport.

So you admit you'll be paying more money out to Pools than if you got a ST. Why would you want to do that?

Who says that I'll be paying more money out.

OK, so if for example I went to about 60% of the matches and paid on the gate that would be 14 home league games at £18 ea = £252. £25 more than getting a season ticket on the fiddle at £227.

But also that would be 9 less games that I didn't spend about £8.50 on beers and a burger in the ground, a £76.50 saving giving a net saving of £51.50.

If I was to just get a season ticket the legitimate way at £314 (using my £40 discount but not pretending to introduce somebody or using a false name) then I would actually save £62 purely on gate money alone by not buying one without taking into account the food and drink money.

It's not just about the gate money, is it.

I would be very surprised if you were only at 60% of the games next season but time will tell.

How many of your group are holding a similar stance?

Mr Ripper will you stop prattling on about how hard done by you have been and just buy a season ticket. That would be the sensible course of action.

I'm sure there will be someone out there who would bevery greatful if you would share the discount with them.....

Prattling on? I was answering a direct question from Mr Payer.





For who? Not for me it wouldn't.





So what. Not my problem.

So will you please stop prattling on about whether or not I'm prattling on about something which you obviously don't understand.

Ta.

Time will indeed tell.

Out of the lads I go to the match with I believe that 2 others aren't purchasing season tickets either, another two are "buddying up" by getting one of the tickets in a false name, and I've not spoken to the others in the last couple of weeks.