Crime. Falling? Only if you believe the propoganda. Violent crime and murders are rising. FACT.
If you don't believe the figure that show crime is falling , how come you place such credence on the same figures that show that some types of crime are increasing?

Our streets are more dangerous than they have ever been. Honestly......I bet you would let Iain Wright come all over your face.


I normally ignore the constant whingeing on this board from goldfish who've forgotten how appalling the tory government was.

Today I have offered you reasoned argument. You have only got base,ignorant abuse as a response. I won't waste my time exchanging views with you again!

Full credit to PDE - he doesn't need to up the size of a font to win an argument

Mr Ripper likes to exaggerate, usually to back ridiculous statements.

That's subjective.

But do you not think that this latest Government suggestion is nuts considering the current state of the economy?

Petrol prices going through the roof.

Gas and electricity bills multiplying.

Food prices escalating.

Interest rates rising making some people struggle with their mortgage payments.

Unemployment starting to rear it's ugly head again.

Police struggling to cope with crime cos of lack of numbers.

NHS underfunded.

Armed forces underpaid and under supplied.

And what does our wonderful PM decide to do with our tax money?

Free swimming for all paid for by the taxpayer.

I fkin hate that one eyed Scottish bastad.

Petrol prices going through the roof.
[color=#BF0000]And the world oil price being $137 a barrell is Brown's fault how?[/color]

Gas and electricity bills multiplying.
And the world price of gas is Brown's fault how?

Food prices escalating.
Food is oil. For every joule of food energy produced in the world we are expending 50J of energy from oil in pesticides and fertilisers. Price of oil goes up, price of food goes up.

Interest rates rising making some people struggle with their mortgage payments.
Rubbish. Mortgage rates are roughly at the same level that they have been through the length of this government. Total loss of control and interest rates of 12% appear to only happen under Tory government.

Unemployment starting to rear it's ugly head again.
Rubbish. For fifteen years unemployment was kept at 10% of the workforce - 3 million or higher- apparently this was due to 'world economic conditions'. For the last 10 years anyone, absolutely anyone can work if they want to. Yes it may be in a shop on minimum wage but at least the minimum wage is £5+ - not the £1.73 an hour wage slavery that could previously happen. And by rearing its ugly head you mean a slight increase to a lower level than it was at any point of the 17 year Thatcher/Major administration - unless of course you count the first year of the government when it began to rise from the baseline they inheritted.

Police struggling to cope with crime cos of lack of numbers.
Rubbish . Crime has consistantly fallen for 15 years. There are more police and police wannabes than ever before.

NHS underfunded.
Utter, utter garbage. Look at the figures. Since 2001 there has been the largest increase in funding that there has ever been. My father in law urgently needed a triple heart bypass last Christmas. He was rushed into hospital, kept there until there was a theatre space and operated on. The surgeon told him openly that prior to the investment programme he had known waiting lists of 3 years for surgery. Had he needed the operation in 1997 not 2007 he would have died on a waiting list as so many did.

Armed forces underpaid and under supplied.
They are not underpaid. Stop sending them around the the world to kill people in third world nations and spend the adequate budget on equipment which would mean we could efficiently defend ourselves in the unlikely event that we ever were under any threat at all (which we haven't been in 60 years).



And what does our wonderful PM decide to do with our tax money?
Free swimming for all paid for by the taxpayer.
For the first time ever as a nation our life expectancy is decreasing because we are so damn fat(me included). This is an attempt to do something about it. You can't force people to exercise. But you remove any excuse for not doing so.

I fkin hate that one eyed Scottish bastad.
I don't like him either. I've never voted for this government. I believe in a just world that the cabinet that voted for the illegal military attacks which we have carried out over the last ten years would be on trial,at the Hague, for war crimes.

But I haven't got a memory like a goldfish. And I know with absolute certainty that there has been steady improvement in housing, schools, hospitals and quality of life in Britain over the last ten years.

Look at photos of the town in the early nineties compared to now. Think about the five year waiting lists for some types of surgery in the 80s and 90s underfunding compared to now. This government may be poor but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative

i think there,s a tendency to overlook how bad things were during the last 10 years of tory rule simply because brown is making such a dogs dinner of things.

as labour are almost certainly going to lose the next election they should abandon their policy of courting the media and the super rich and start being radical like they were when they first came to power ( working families tax credit, minimum wage, ratcheting up nurses pay etc )

instead of shafting core supporters like me with the abolition of the 10 pence basic tax rate to fund concessions on capital gains tax that only benefit the super rich why not do what a labour government is meant to do and create some wealth distribution ?

the simple truth is that the really rich have got richer at shocking rates under labour and the gap between them and the poor has got progressively wider.

the average working man is being taxed to the bolox while the super rich tax evaders can spend a grand on one cocktail at an exclusive west end night club.

the utilility companies can boast record profits, their directors can award themselves obscene six figure bonuses, and yet we are asked to pay huge increases on gas and electric.

the supermarket chains are doing likewise, pricefixing and tax evading while shafting the ordinary family.

we can find billions to fight pointless wars across the globe but cant find money to keep hospitals open.

the labour leader needs to remember what the party is meant to stand for imho.

the thing is companies like shell and british gas love it when the cost of oil goes up. that way they have an excuse to whack prices up, increase their profit margins, and if anyone kicks off all they do is say " dont blame us its the rising price of oil. "

you can bet your bottom dollar when oil prices fall the prices wont go down by as much as they have gone up.
its a sick joke that the blokes running gaffs like british gas and npower can esentially award themselves six figure BONUSES ( yes thats right six figure bonuses ) while their call centre staff get an extra few hundred quid a year that will barely cover the increase in their gas and electric costs.

its an even sicker joke that tesco are making record profits while food prices in their stores rocket and at the same time they are being investigated for pricefixing and tax evasion.

okay the world economy may be having a rough ride but the blokes at the top aren't suffering because the rises get passed onto joe bloggs.