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Climate change: how do we stop it?
It's all bollocks - stick with oil and gas, even if people complain about 'ruining the environment' 8%  8%  [ 6 ]
Get windmills in, even if people complain about them ruining the landscape 15%  15%  [ 11 ]
Get solar panels in, even if people complain that they're wasteful 8%  8%  [ 6 ]
Boost nuclear power, even if people complain about the nuclear waste 12%  12%  [ 9 ]
Try hydroelectricity in the sea and rivers, even if people complain that it's useless and expensive 14%  14%  [ 10 ]
Kill all the cows - they're worse than us, why should we suffer? Even if people complain. We can make meat in labs anyway 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
It'll be fine - technological miniaturisation will improve so much that we won't need half as much energy soon 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Even if we do something, other countries won't, why bother? 11%  11%  [ 8 ]
Climate change is natural - we've already had an ice age, this may be another 22%  22%  [ 16 ]
Give a fuck? I'll be long dead before it's a problem 11%  11%  [ 8 ]
Total votes : 74
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 Post subject: Climate change: your thoughts
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:12 am 
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Have you noticed that most people who advocate change to control the climate will whinge on about anything, particularly if it's in their back yard.

Figured I'd do a poll to see what other people's view are on it.


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Hope there's a few more votes like. It seems only 11 people can be bothered to tick a box. I've never wielded such democratic power.

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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
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Nuclear power is the way forward my good friend


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Environment, man, ostrich, sand, head.

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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:52 am 
Richard M. Head wrote:
Environment, man, ostrich, sand, head.

That's five options..you're only allowed three. sctatchinghead :laugh:


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:21 pm 
Frodraff wrote:
I've never wielded such democratic power.


Yes you have. What about Geoff Lilley and the pitch fork incident?


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
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yloop wrote:
Nuclear power is the way forward my good friend

I couldn't agree more.

Although the general response seems like people could've just ticked the last box :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
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I think it's a bit short sighted to say "It's probably just natural" when a huge panel of experts worldwide strongly believe that human activity is accellerating it.

My personal view is that there's not much we can do. We'd have to drastically alter our lives and the way the world works, to have any chance of making a difference. It won't happen so all the 'green' initiatives are a waste of time and simply a new money making opportunity for businesses.


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:04 pm 
this climate change,global warming or whatever it's called this week is just a way of picking your pocket and making you feel good about it,has all the money the government has taken in,in the name of saving the enviroment made any difference?do the trains,buses run any better?,or have they just poured it down a black hole,god even dick turpin wore a mask,as my mother used to say it's robin hoods cousin robin basted (adg)


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
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nuclear fusion is the way forward

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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
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Redifusion is the way forward!!!! :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
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All this bollox about aerosols and gasses damaging the ozone layer.

That's nowt to what the sun is doing to the other side of the ozone layer.


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If you believe what you read there's too many people consuming too much so it's gunnerappen anyway. Unavoidable really. Shame for the great grandkids cos if it's true there'll be a lot of strife.

I remember a load of doom going on in the 60's about how we were all going to die cos of overpopulation and lack of food but that doesn't seem to have happened in 40 years.

Strikes me there's always a fashionable threat to the existence of the human race and if you express any doubt about the current impending crisis there's accusations about 'head in the sand' attitudes and the suggestion that any one who doubts the current wisdom backed up by the vast majority of scientists is obviously an idiot.

Anyway a bit of a thin out and a start again might do a bit of good.

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Frodraff wrote:
If you believe what you read there's too many people consuming too much so it's gunnerappen anyway. Unavoidable really. Shame for the great grandkids cos if it's true there'll be a lot of strife.

I remember a load of doom going on in the 60's about how we were all going to die cos of overpopulation and lack of food but that doesn't seem to have happened in 40 years.

Strikes me there's always a fashionable threat to the existence of the human race and if you express any doubt about the current impending crisis there's accusations about 'head in the sand' attitudes and the suggestion that any one who doubts the current wisdom backed up by the vast majority of scientists is obviously an idiot.

Anyway a bit of a thin out and a start again might do a bit of good.


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:28 pm 
Warwick Hunt wrote:
All this bollox about aerosols and gasses damaging the ozone layer.

That's nowt to what the sun is doing to the other side of the ozone layer.


I thought the point was that the sun has always been doing things on the other side of the ozone layer but that the ozone layer was previously protective (to Earth). Now there are holes in it


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Climate change is great. It gives me more chance to get the roof down on my SAAB. :laugh:


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
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couldn't care less about "climate change" but I get mighty annoyed when people start harping on about carbon footprints, offsetting and other guff. banghead

gotta cut the rant short now..can feel blood pressure rising......

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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
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The climate has always been variable, and the idea that humans are to blame for it is stupid given the short amount of time we've been on the planet and burning things.

I reckon the climate change panic is a manifestation of a humans thinking they are more powerful than they are. It's not that long since people in the west were blaming natural disasters on themselves - eg a flood was interpreted 'God being angry with us'.

Because we can apparently reverse the catastrophe by offsetting our carbon footprints (like praying for God's favour), it makes a lot of people feel worthwhile and productive.

In twenty years time there will be documentaries on the intertelly about how so many people were taken in by the whole environment industry, and how it changed our lives. A bit like the threat of nuclear war not long back.

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Are you saying there was never a threat of nuclear war?

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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:12 pm 
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Are you saying there was never a threat of nuclear war?



I don't think he is, its plain to see, although the threat was there, both the USSR & USA and GB to a lesser extent used fear as a weapon to keep there own people in check, and allow massive spending on defence to keep the nasty commies and decadant west from the door....


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:07 am 
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The climate has always been variable, and the idea that humans are to blame for it is stupid given the short amount of time we've been on the planet and burning things.

I reckon the climate change panic is a manifestation of a humans thinking they are more powerful than they are. It's not that long since people in the west were blaming natural disasters on themselves - eg a flood was interpreted 'God being angry with us'.

Because we can apparently reverse the catastrophe by offsetting our carbon footprints (like praying for God's favour), it makes a lot of people feel worthwhile and productive.

In twenty years time there will be documentaries on the intertelly about how so many people were taken in by the whole environment industry, and how it changed our lives. A bit like the threat of nuclear war not long back.


But even if you're not persuaded that climate change is human-induced, PIN, you'd probably agree that the way humans have polluted the planet is pretty horrible and that it would be good if it were reversed? Virtually nothing is 'natural' any more and people have little choice but to join in the whole oily , profit-driven rat-race that's choking everything up.
There aren't going to be any documentaries proving we're wrong about that


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:47 am 
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Surely it would be better to sell off petrol really cheap.

That way the resources will be used up quicker.

Then, if the environ-MENTALISTS are right, the world will get better.

and recover.

I thank you.


Did you hear that there're quantities of oil under the Arctic, and that the Americans and Russians are making plans to get at it now that the ice cap is conveniently melting? You couldn't make it up


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grabec wrote:
Nobodys Hero wrote:
Surely it would be better to sell off petrol really cheap.

That way the resources will be used up quicker.

Then, if the environ-MENTALISTS are right, the world will get better.

and recover.

I thank you.


Did you hear that there're quantities of oil under the Arctic, and that the Americans and Russians are making plans to get at it now that the ice cap is conveniently melting? You couldn't make it up

Actually, I think you probably could.


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But even if you're not persuaded that climate change is human-induced, PIN, you'd probably agree that the way humans have polluted the planet is pretty horrible and that it would be good if it were reversed? Virtually nothing is 'natural' any more and people have little choice but to join in the whole oily , profit-driven rat-race that's choking everything up.
There aren't going to be any documentaries proving we're wrong about that


I'm not denying that there is pollution and that it should be prevented. What I object to is being patronised by the media, who have established that human-induced climate change is a 'fact' without any real scientific debate.

It alarms me how many people are taken in by it, pretty much like the Weapons of Mass Destruction bullshit.

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poolieinnottingham wrote:
I'm not denying that there is pollution and that it should be prevented. What I object to is being patronised by the media, who have established that human-induced climate change is a 'fact' without any real scientific debate.

It alarms me how many people are taken in by it, pretty much like the Weapons of Mass Destruction bullshit.


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 4:07 pm 
I don't agree with you, Mr PIN. There was no evidence at all for wmd. On the other hand there's a lot of evidence of things happening environmentally, which might or might not turn out to be explicable in terms of global warming. But even if the 'environmental things' aren't down to global warming, won't almost exactly the same preventive measures, which are being suggested for that, deal also with the facts of over-industrialisation/pollution?

I agree with you over the way governments and some parts of the media are dealing with it


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 4:26 pm 
I wanted an option that said 'Sack of bollocks and another cheap excuse to tax people more.'

The sun's right hot right?? That's why we're all here, and at a convenient distance from it. Any closer we'd fry, and any further away we'd freeze. Now we're a big ball of cooling down shit and the sun is a big ball of burning gas.

Throw some 10 billion people into the mix and it's bit like a flea on a mastodon. Bit annoying briefly but makes no fookin' difference at all in the general way of things.

See, everything has a lifespan, that's just EVERYTHING and if dozy politicians and gormless scientists tell you different, they're just lying. Do you want Earth to be a carbon free zone when the sun goes out?? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Fookin' ell............. :roll: :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Climate change: your thoughts
PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:12 pm 
Kev, If only you ever had objective reasons for the things you, they would be food for thought :wink:


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70,000 years from now, it is predicted by scientists.......... bbolt ............... thet Earth will be too hot to inhabit anyway. Mars may need to be prepared fro the future survival of the human race, whatever form it may take by then. The ones left behind can become underground savages. :grin:

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