Hartlepool landmarks

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:04 pm

And for the last one, such an improvement on Titan House...

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:07 pm

OK then, one from Monkey Land just to keep the peace; it's interesting only because it represents an escape route from there.
:razz:

grabec · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:08 pm

Richard M. Head wrote:

OK then, one from Monkey Land just to keep the peace; it's interesting only because it reprersents an escape route from there. :razz:

It's not there confised

Oh, all right then..it is :uhoh:

Nice work, Richard :sweeeet:

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

Richard M. Head wrote:

OK then, one from Monkey Land just to keep the peace; it's interesting only because it represents an escape route from there.
:razz:

we have tried nets over throston bridge and hanging the little buggers when they wash ashore
it is a bit like illegal immigrants they pop up every where pretending to be local
the ferry was used to send them back to west dock usually bound and gagged

did you know that king arthur once was a cod head? allegedly

Salty · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:17 pm

Richard M. Head wrote:

That photo of the steelworks is still with us fifty years or more after it was taken and still manages to yank feelings out of our guts. If it had no artistic merit it would have been consigned to somebody's scrap album and forgotten by now.
Show me a painting of Hartlepool which evokes the same the same feelings. I don't know of any. Painters just didn't do that kind of scene. Great views of ships - no problem; vistas of Church Street looking down to the docks - no problem; rows of nicely dressed alderman wearing ceremonial chains - no problem; dismal dirty industrial scenes capable of summing up the lot of the 1950s Hartlepool working man in a single photo - sorry there's not a painting in sight.
The art is in the photographer's eyes. A hundred thousand people must have seen that scene or similar, but only one person saw art in it.

Whether or not a monkey could have randomly pressed the camera button and got the same result is unimportant. Monkeys can do ANYTHING randomly, including playing with paint and canvas or sitting pounding away at a typewriter.

Or to put it another way, Salty you don't half talk cack sometimes. :laugh:

I don't think I am this time though. :wink:

and I'm sticking to my guns

to say that only one person saw art in that scene is rubbish and you know it, or does it only apply to that one scene of that one works, or to one man and his camera?

The link's interesting though
and its interesting that he takes pictures of deprived people in deprived areas.

It's an artistic photo and has merit, but photography isn't art goddammit! an artform and the lowest of the art forms maybe, but thats as far as I see it. :razz:

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:29 pm

Salty wrote:

to say that only one person saw art in that scene is rubbish and you know it

Only one person did anything about it though, didn't he.
I await your examples of other industrial scenes of the same quality to prove me wrong. :wink:

Salty · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:37 pm

well obviously there isn't one, but someone might have been inspired by the same scene and painted a picture,made a sculpture,composed some music or summat.... :wink:

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:46 pm

Salty wrote:

composed some music or summat.... :wink:

You've just given me an idea.

Salty · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:55 pm

see?!

JohnnyMars · **Joined:** Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:24 am **Posts:** 2471

Quote:

It's an artistic photo and has merit, but photography isn't art goddammit! an artform and the lowest of the art forms maybe, but thats as far as I see it.

If it is an artistic photo then it is art, surely.

Anyone could take a picture of the steelworks but this guy has really captured something extra about the area, the people and their daily struggle. To me that is art clappp

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

maybe you have to appreciate the technacalities of taking such a picture to accept what you see in the pic as art
anyone can point a brownie and get a good pic but there are good pics and fantastic pics and that one is fantastic
one for the whinging west dockers

yes that is my roller on the left :laugh:

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:56 am

Can I just say that the only photo out of all the above I have kept on my PC and want printing is....the one with the Bloke going to work!!!! :sweeeet:

It's cushty!!!! :sweeeet:

That picture with the Queers with dodgy partings and flicks is err....er....Queer!!!! confised

Is that off Mr.Cornelious's wall....just above his quilted Headboard????

BTW....this is a true story....

I was about 13/14 years old and me and 2 others....Johnny Giro (I think) and Spud (R.I.P.)....were playing/getting scrap in Brunswick Grove/Redworth Walk flats when they were getting rebuilt into Newhaven Court....when a bloke shouted us and asked if he could take our picture!!!! :shock:

We obliged and half hanged out of a 3rd floor window....sticking 2 fingers up etc....basically acting naturally!!!! :sweeeet:

He said he was a proffesional photographer from London and the photos would be in an exhibition!!!! :roll:

I would love to see the Photos though....pics of young scallies....in their playing out clothes getting copper wire/piping from derelict buildings....I bet they look cushty!!!! :sweeeet:

Unless he was a dodgy tvvat that is like!!!! confised

I've never been 'scrapping' since....just in my underdogs!!!! :uhoh:

Frodraff · **Posted:** Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:36 am

loyal blue wrote:

katcha wrote:

Anyway here's Gremlin at PT back in the day

Where is this at? Foggy Furze?

Not Foggy Furze. I remember there being a bowling green and a putting course there and maybe a tennis court but not as many as in the shot.

I was there at Foggy furze when two youths were on the putting green. The one in front decided to play an extravagent drive shot with a magnificent follow through that hit his mate who was stood behind him full on the head. He slumped to the ground and as far as I know is still in a vegetative coma.

Frodraff · **Posted:** Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:56 am

Richard M. Head wrote:

OK then, one from Monkey Land just to keep the peace; it's interesting only because it represents an escape route from there.
:razz:

I don't recognise the view like but I do remember getting on the ferry from Middleton to Harlepool with me owld feller. He must have drunk West dry and wanted to make a start on the Headland beer stocks.

The family story is that me father never took up smoking cos he never had a glass out of his mouth long enough.

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

ok bob the builder
would have preferred it to look like peterlee, by the laws of Grundy architecturally it was one of the best in the north.
sorry we have no nostalgic pics of the manor or clavering there just isn't any
maybe this will help

BillinghamPoolie · **Posted:** Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:04 am

katcha wrote:

Anyway here's Gremlin at PT back in the day

I used to enjoy going out the side entrance at Henry's and watch the ladies play there. Can't remember if it was to admire their fine backhands, or to stare at the frilly knickers.

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:54 am

Frodraff wrote:

I was there at Foggy furze when two youths were on the putting green. The one in front decided to play an extravagent drive shot with a magnificent follow through that hit his mate who was stood behind him full on the head. He slumped to the ground and as far as I know is still in a vegetative coma.

You hit PK in the head with a putter? :shock:

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:05 am

MutleyRules wrote:

Can I just say that the only photo out of all the above I have kept on my PC and want printing is....the one with the Bloke going to work!!!! :sweeeet:

It's cushty!!!! :sweeeet:

I eventually managed to find an old town map showing the North Works, and that scene could only have been taken at the bottom of Windermere road (after Belle Vue Way). To the right is the site of Batchelor Robinson.

tom-pie · **Posted:** Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:17 am

whats a codhead?

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5095

a codhead is a term of endearment for somebody born on the headland as opposed to a west docker who was born in west hartlepool

tom-pie · **Posted:** Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:23 am

k, cheers

Salty · **Posted:** Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:58 pm

JohnnyMars wrote:

Quote:

It's an artistic photo and has merit, but photography isn't art goddammit! an artform and the lowest of the art forms maybe, but thats as far as I see it.

If it is an artistic photo then it is art, surely.

no it isn't, no it isn't, no it isn't

any old shite can be artistic but it doesn't necessarily make it art....

grabec · **Posted:** Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:12 pm

Salty wrote:

JohnnyMars wrote:

Quote:

It's an artistic photo and has merit, but photography isn't art goddammit! an artform and the lowest of the art forms maybe, but thats as far as I see it.

If it is an artistic photo then it is art, surely.

no it isn't, no it isn't, no it isn't

any old shite can be artistic but it doesn't necessarily make it art....

OK define your terms. What is art? :sweeeet:

Spender · **Posted:** Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:25 pm

Frodraff wrote:

I was there at Foggy furze when two youths were on the putting green. The one in front decided to play an extravagent drive shot with a magnificent follow through that hit his mate who was stood behind him full on the head. He slumped to the ground and as far as I know is still in a vegetative coma.

Yep, he is. sadx

He calls himself Nobody's Hero and there's no pleasing him unless you slug him with a putter again.

So next time you're passing Clavering.... :grin:

Help the poor lad out, give it to him full bore, the way he likes it... :wink:

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

no6bus wrote:

a codhead is a term of endearment for somebody born on the headland as opposed to a west docker who was born in west hartlepool

oh no it isn't
the cod head term was instigated by welders on the rigs asking for cod head rods instead of coded rods
so the other welders started calling poolie welders cod heads and it has since been embellished by people like you :sweeeet:

lestakev · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:56 pm

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Salty · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:16 pm

grabec wrote:

OK define your terms. What is art? :sweeeet:

photo's of naked lasses .... :wink:

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

two of the towns main throughfares and both void of traffic

Salty · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:22 pm

Nobodys Hero wrote:

Art isnt:

Shitty photos

I love you

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

but you have always been a [edit] gay philistine what would you know about culture

Salty · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:33 pm

grabec wrote:

OK define your terms. What is art? :sweeeet:

something made by somebody that stops me in my tracks I think.

the usual though

music
acting
paintings
sculptures
architecture

a photograph has never done that [stopped me in my tracks], and I've seen photo's in art galleries and sometimes I've liked individual photo's but have never been anything other than apathetic towards it on the whole apart from that cun t Kevin Carter's one that won the pulitzer prize....that just angered the sh it out of me that he'd rather take a photo than help a child about to be eaten by a vulture....

and i tell you what else, I've had my picture taken by many photographers ranging from journalists to arty types to the ponce from Olan Mills to the copper who needed my picture for my 'file' and they've all been to a man egotistical talentless w ankers

the girl ones were lush tho! :wink:

Salty · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:36 pm

I get blamed for everything round here.....FRANK!

grabec · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:25 pm

Salty wrote:

I get blamed for everything round here.....FRANK!

That's because you can't tell the difference between a definition and a list :sweeeet:

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:18 pm

Nobodys Hero wrote:

Art is:

David Beckhams free kicks.

Tiger Woods Golf Swing.

James Brown taking defenders on for fun.

The music of Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros.

I think I understand.
Art is sport.
Except when it's bad music.

Salty · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:55 pm

grabec wrote:

Salty wrote:

I get blamed for everything round here.....FRANK!

That's because you can't tell the difference between a definition and a list :sweeeet:

sorry should I have waxed lyrical about seeing beauty all around me [and taking a photo of it :roll:

], finding joy in a childs laughter, having a tear in my eye upon reading a sonnet etc.....

sod that Grabey! lists rule!

I like books too, they're art an all :wink:

poolieinnottingham · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:03 pm

My big sister is a photographer, now mostly does weddings and portraits as they are easy money, but also does a lot for pub chains, food magazines and so on.

Somewhere in her loft there are fooking loads of shots of Hartlepool in the late 80s/early 90s, when it was probably at its grimmest. Loads of smart ones of Graythorp in particular. I keep pestering her to fish them out but until her sprogs are a bit older I don't reckon she'll get the time.

She also took photos at Pools matches under the tutelage of a certain Mr Reid. I have them in my loft, and when I get the time I'll stick some on here. Players like Stan McEwan, Joe Allon, Rob McKinnon, Bakes and co in all their grainy black and white glory.

Here's her site if anyone wants to spend a load of money on her services:

http://www.rachelspivey.co.uk

Frodraff · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:05 pm

tom-pie wrote:

whats a codhead?

It's on the opposite end of a cod to a codtail

Frodraff · **Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:10 pm

gremmlin wrote:

no6bus wrote:

a codhead is a term of endearment for somebody born on the headland as opposed to a west docker who was born in west hartlepool

oh no it isn't
the cod head term was instigated by welders on the rigs asking for cod head rods instead of coded rods
so the other welders started calling poolie welders cod heads and it has since been embellished by people like you :sweeeet:

Not what me aged mother says and she's never worked on the rigs........or the docks, before any smart ares pipes up.

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5095

gremmlin wrote:

no6bus wrote:

a codhead is a term of endearment for somebody born on the headland as opposed to a west docker who was born in west hartlepool

oh no it isn't
the cod head term was instigated by welders on the rigs asking for cod head rods instead of coded rods
so the other welders started calling poolie welders cod heads and it has since been embellished by people like you :sweeeet:

now look old man i was talking to tom pie explaining the modern usage of a codhead
not going back to bloody queen victorias times like you blastt

Frodraff · **Posted:** Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:51 am

Salty wrote:

JohnnyMars wrote:

Quote:

It's an artistic photo and has merit, but photography isn't art goddammit! an artform and the lowest of the art forms maybe, but thats as far as I see it.

If it is an artistic photo then it is art, surely.

no it isn't, no it isn't, no it isn't

any old shite can be artistic but it doesn't necessarily make it art....

Marcel Duchamp, in 1917, bought a urinal in a New York plumber’s shop, signed it under the pseudonym, “R. MUTT”, put it on a plinth in a gallery and called it art. The playful artist, again under the pseudonym of R. Mutt, argued his case for the ready-mades in the New York publication, “Blind Man.” All that Mr Mutt cared about was the fact that the object was the choice of the artist, and therefore it was unimportant if the artist had made the object with his own hands or not. If an artist wants to make an already existing object into art, then why shouldn’t he?

TickhillPoolie · **Posted:** Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:29 pm

Is this Duchamp gadgie Mutley's great great great grandad? :shock:

poolieinnottingham · **Posted:** Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:05 pm

Quote:

poolieinnottingham wrote:

Somewhere in her loft there are fooking loads of shots of Hartlepool in the late 80s/early 90s, when it was probably at its grimmest. Loads of smart ones of Graythorp in particular

You mean Hartlepool was grimmer later on, than as shown in the photos on here?

I reckon so. All the industry from the earlier photos at least employed thousands of gadgies. A lot of her photos show similar views but of derelict works.

Plus in the late 80s/early 90s the docks hadn't been tarted up, there was no Historic Quay, the Marina was but a pipe dream and Church Street was still an eyesore.

Thinking about it, some parts of the town are unrecognisable (Seaton front excluded).

grabec · **Posted:** Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:35 pm

Salty wrote:

grabec wrote:

OK define your terms. What is art? :sweeeet:

something made by somebody that stops me in my tracks I think.

OK, something that stopped me in my tracks recently was a painting (well, a framed entity) at the present MIMA exhibition.
Imagine the scene....a largish canvas about 4 feet by 3, with a neutral-looking background, and the word

VANISH

written in large letters. I was the only one on the room at the time, and the effect it had on me was totally weird

Poolsrme · **Posted:** Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:06 pm

grabec wrote:

Salty wrote:

grabec wrote:

OK define your terms. What is art? :sweeeet:

something made by somebody that stops me in my tracks I think.

How about Lawrence? He's a drag 'artist' (of sorts) :shock:

and he's certainly a Hartlepool landmark :laugh:

gremmlin · **Joined:** Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:23 am **Posts:** 3141

grabec wrote:

Salty wrote:

grabec wrote:

OK define your terms. What is art? :sweeeet:

something made by somebody that stops me in my tracks I think.

OK, something that stopped me in my tracks recently was a painting (well, a framed entity) at the present MIMA exhibition.
Imagine the scene....a largish canvas about 4 feet by 3, with a neutral-looking background, and the word

VANISH

written in large letters. I was the only one on the room at the time, and the effect it had on me was totally weird

that would be one of the cleaners getting arty on a stain

parmopooly · **Posted:** Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:20 am

one of the things which made me think," You deserved that," was after that obscure artist's "work" exhibiting a table in a pub (complete with ash tray and fag end, half empty glass of beer) was cleared away one morning by the cleaner!!! rolfl

In my eyes the cleaner recognised it for what it was.

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

A great old school, if I close my eyes I can still smell the polish on the hall floor.

Montpoolier · **Posted:** Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:59 am

Jezzy? Brougham?

no6bus · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 pm **Posts:** 5095

henry smiths grammar school (69-74)

bresslaw · **Joined:** Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 2411

Indeed it is Henry Smith, I was there 72-77, it then closed (not my fault !!!)

Hartlepool landmarks

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