Username:  
Password:  
Register 
It is currently Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:22 pm

All times are UTC [ DST ]





Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 55 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
 Post subject: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:42 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm
Posts: 22641
On this sad day we should pause to commiserate with the families of the hunger strikers and to wonder why it is that on to their murals on the Falls Road, they all looked like Cilla Black.

Image

I have a personal reason to regret the timing of Mr Sands passing as if he had held on for another hour I would have won £53 in the "when will he peg it" sweepstake.

We should also remember the men who so valiantly won the team event at that years world slimming competition. The ten men who competed in the 1981 World Hunger Strike Competition:

Bobby Sands, - 66 Days
Francis Hughes, - 59 Days
Patsy O'Hara, - 61 Day
Raymond McCreesh, - 61 Days
Joe McDonnell, - 61 Days
Martin Hurson, -46 Days
Kevin Lynch, - 71 Days
Kieran Doherty, - 73 Days
Thomas McElwee, - 62 Days
Michael Devine, - 60 Days

Bobby Sands actuall only came 3rd and it should be noted that Martin Hurson gave a valiant performance especially as he was drafted in at the last minute, his effort of 46 days did not detract from the overall score as it was a better ball competition.

Anyone wishing to donate to the Boby Sands memorial trust can do so by calling Nuneaton 808080 (ate nothing, ate nothing, ate nothing)

The following is the diary of a British soldier tasked with guarding Mr Sands during his last days. He was if you remember a British MP, admittedly he wasn't a political heavyweight, especially towards the end, but nevertheless he got guarded.

St John Walter wrote:
I remember the days of the hunger strikes very well. Who can forget the Maze? I love Hampton Court, so close to the river and lovely gardens. The house is a bit old but well worth a visit. The hunger strikers were in their cells and fading fast. Patsy was one of the worst but I could never see why they put a woman in with all the men. The men were only just dressed, in lightweights if I remember correctly and a loose fitting top though one each of course. Patsy who now had a beard looked just like a man by now. Joe was the thinnest and his lightweights were held up with a tie wrap. Martin used one of his shoe laces and Thomas just tripped up alot.

We tried appealing to their better natures but they didn't have a nature let alone a better one. They just swore at us amongst the diaarh, diorha, shite that their forced starvation had caused. The stomach pangs must have been gnawing at them by now which is why it was bacon sandwiches all round for us and deep pan fried water for them which they of course refused. We left fruit for them every day but due to the lack of a tin opener they couldn't eat it even if they had wanted to. We called in a priest but they didn't eat him either.

Martin was the first to go. He died peacefully in his sleep while playing table tennis but headbutted Francis who died several days later. Michael fell down trap two and drowned and was flushed to meet his maker. Then it got a bit busy but the football was on the telly so we missed the actual death throes but thanks to Jock's cine camera, a compilation was made and is doing the rounds to this day. Bobby was one of the last to die and I'll never forget his last words "Ah Bisto" as we had been spiking his water. The last two annoyingly hung on but the overtime was great.

Kevin died while playing in the five a side football after a suspect tackle and Kieran finally emptied the cells by popping off a couple of days later. It was most inconvenient and confusing for the governor as they had not died alphabetically. Kieran's last words were not recorded as Jock's cine camera didn't do sound but it was something in Irish and something that was black with a white head. We thought of Gerry Adams but he is white with a black head so it couldn't have been him.

All that was left was to collect their personal belongings, the Mars Bars hidden in the lockers, the Tayto crisps under the pillow, the Coleraine cheddar hidden in a bed leg, the Denny ham hidden in a mattress, the Dunnes store selection box disguised as a chamber pot and to wonder why these men and one woman starved themselves to death. It might have been political but Jock always says it was the lack of a tin opener that killed them and their insistence on drinking the water and nothing but the water. "Should have tried Perrier Water" he had said delighting at the slight hint of benzene.

Who can forget the aftermath before the death of the prisoners. Friends and family were trying to smuggle food in but they kept getting caught. Security was very tight but in the end we managed to get some food in and we all had a good nosh up. I would like to personally thank Jock's Aunty Moira for her Dundee Cake, it just melted in the mouth.

Friends and relatives of the prisoners were caught smuggling food out and one ingenious soul had poured the deep pan fried water down his trousers and was trying to disperse it round the exercise yard. We only found that out later, at first we just thought he had a serious bladder problem. The prisoners still got exercise even though they were now very weak. I think it was Clubber who tied some string to Martin and it was fortunate that he had as a gust of wind took him up to a hundred feet and Clubber then showed off his freestyle kiting skills.

As previously mentioned, the prisoners died and a clear up process started. The cells were very messy but Philomena and May made a good job with a couple of buckets of Domestos and water. Even the germs were dead now. The clothing was taken by Billy as his son had an Action Man and they were almost a perfect fit.

The bodies had been taken away for post mortem, it was quite easy, they all fitted in the one body bag. The post mortems were carried out and the bodies were released for burial. Most fitted in a large brown envelope and Parcel Force made sure they were delivered within a fortnight. Because Bobby was an MP, he somehow got into the parliamentary postal system and was filed three times before his remains ended up in Droitwich. The mistake was instantly rectified within a week and the shoebox arrived at the family after three weeks.

The Milltown Cemetery had been booked for the funerals and heavy surveylan,surviel, there was somebody watching. I remember seeing Gerry Adams looking drawn but then he left the artist's studio and went to the funeral. Martine Mc Guinnnesss was also there representing the Derry Brigade. Derry is a small Catholic town just outside Londonderry and just over the border. Other republican bigwigs were there, Joe Mahey, Joe Cahill, Joe Maskey, Joe Kelly and Sean Bean.

The coffins were lashed down to prevent them blowing away and the Irish tricolour flew over the cemetery. It was a cold day as plenty of black gloves were being worn or were placed on top of the coffins which also stopped them blowing away. Suddenly from the crowds appared a lone gunman carrying a Hermatite AK47 and he let off five rounds after three stoppages and the barrel falling off once. It was very moving and the serveil, servweil, the watching team moved as the meter had run out and nobody had a ten pence coin.

One by one the coffins were laid to rest and a queue of people paid their last respects throwing a handful of concrete on the coffin as the wind kept getting underneath and there was a risk of them ending up on the Donegall Road. The Irish national anthem was played but it was a very scatched copy of the U2 classic and to this day nobody seems to know what has no name. Adams spoke of their sacrifice but was seen leaving the cemetery rubbing his hands together as he seemed to have forgotten his gloves. "That's got rid of those barstewards" was also attributed to him but that can't be corrober, corobber, nobody is actually sure.

So the Maze returned to normal, people still kept getting lost and one actually died of starvation after getting trapped but there were no political motives as he was apparently a Liberal supporter. I often go back to the Maze and gaze over the large expansive gardens and wonder what drives people to make such sacrifices but then I'm pulled back to reality as I realise they were republicans and scumbags. The ironic thing that came out afterwards was that Sands had written one of his crappy poems and the line 'I think we should have a hunger. Strike today.' was taken out of context as he had forgotten the full stop.

An irony and the need for an emphasis on good punctuation.

St John Walter (Corporal Retired)
Walter House
Walt-on-Thames
England


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:03 pm 
They all look like Cilla black you say.







SURPRISE SURPRISE


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:44 pm 
I might be a bit simple, but I found that all rather sad. sctatchinghead


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm
Posts: 22641
Obafemi Obsession wrote:
I might be a bit simple, but I found that all rather sad. sctatchinghead


Aye, maybe wrong forum. If you'd done the odd patrol over there you'd get it.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:03 pm 
Obafemi Obsession wrote:
I might be a bit simple, but I found that all rather sad. sctatchinghead



And what was Bobby Sands telephone number?

80808080


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:08 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm
Posts: 22641
I said that! its a Nuneaton number.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:10 pm 
I remember one of my mates at school singing "could you go a chicken supper Bobby Sands" and thinking it was quite funny. What was it like for the British over there like?


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:26 pm
Posts: 5832
Location: number 8
sctatchinghead

_________________
I have forgotten more than you will ever know


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:59 pm
Posts: 6944
Location: up jacks arse in america.
Strange IRA are called terrorists for fighting for there cause in there country.
The iraqs are called terrorists for fighting for there cause in there country what if britian got invaded and took over and people fought back there would be heros funny one sided views. sctatchinghead

_________________
Low, lie the fields of Athenry,
Where once we watched the small free birds fly.
Our love was on the wind*,
We had dreams and songs to sing.
It's so lonely 'round the Fields of Athenry.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:30 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:26 pm
Posts: 5832
Location: number 8
fookin sympathisers refred

_________________
I have forgotten more than you will ever know


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:30 pm
Posts: 5804
mouldy old dough wrote:
Strange IRA are called terrorists for fighting for there cause in there country.
The iraqs are called terrorists for fighting for there cause in there country what if britian got invaded and took over and people fought back there would be heros funny one sided views. sctatchinghead


Well said clappp

_________________
The future has a way of arriving unannounced. In two days tomorrow will be yesterday!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:34 pm 
katcha wrote:
sctatchinghead


Why do I get one of those Katcha? I was too young to know what was going on back then. As for Mouldy, he makes a very good point.


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:08 pm
Posts: 3135
try telling that to the parents of the kid they killed in Warrington


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm
Posts: 22641
As they murdered a couple of good friends of mine, anyone who starts sympathising with the IRA will get booted off this site so quick you wouldn't believe it. Don't test me on this.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:59 pm
Posts: 6944
Location: up jacks arse in america.
verbalkint wrote:
try telling that to the parents of the kid they killed in Warrington
and the people that were killed on Bloody sunday.

_________________
Low, lie the fields of Athenry,
Where once we watched the small free birds fly.
Our love was on the wind*,
We had dreams and songs to sing.
It's so lonely 'round the Fields of Athenry.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:08 pm
Posts: 3135
do you mean the one's that where out shopping to buy there mother a present? or where they out on the streets pelting our brave boys with bricks and anything else they could lay there hands on


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:59 pm
Posts: 6944
Location: up jacks arse in america.
Mr I wrote:
As they murdered a couple of good friends of mine, anyone who starts sympathising with the IRA will get booted off this site so quick you wouldn't believe it. Don't test me on this.
you will never stop me on here or anywere with threats making a point so do what you want.

_________________
Low, lie the fields of Athenry,
Where once we watched the small free birds fly.
Our love was on the wind*,
We had dreams and songs to sing.
It's so lonely 'round the Fields of Athenry.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:44 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm
Posts: 22641
mouldy old dough wrote:
verbalkint wrote:
try telling that to the parents of the kid they killed in Warrington
and the people that were killed on Bloody sunday.



No idea exactly what happened, I wasn't there. what I do know is that Steve Tidmarsh and Trevor Davis were not there either.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:45 pm 
Mr I wrote:
As they murdered a couple of good friends of mine, anyone who starts sympathising with the IRA will get booted off this site so quick you wouldn't believe it. Don't test me on this.



Everyones entitled to an opinion for gods sake.


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:46 pm 
Mr I wrote:
As they murdered a couple of good friends of mine, anyone who starts sympathising with the IRA will get booted off this site so quick you wouldn't believe it. Don't test me on this.


Was that directed at me? If it was I wasn't! I just wanted to know more of what went on!


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm
Posts: 22641
townendtimmy wrote:
Mr I wrote:
As they murdered a couple of good friends of mine, anyone who starts sympathising with the IRA will get booted off this site so quick you wouldn't believe it. Don't test me on this.



Everyones entitled to an opinion for gods sake.


Try cradling your mates shattered body in your arms as he lays there dying, then tell me about freedom of speech.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:48 pm 
Im not getting into a debate about it im just saying everyones entitled to an opinion, threatening to ban people is just Bollocks.


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm
Posts: 22641
Obafemi Obsession wrote:
I remember one of my mates at school singing "could you go a chicken supper Bobby Sands" and thinking it was quite funny. What was it like for the British over there like?


To the tune of 'She'll be coming round the mountain'

Could you go a Chicken Supper Bobby Sands (also sung as would you like a chicken supper)
Could you go a Chicken Supper Bobby Sands
Could you go a Chicken Supper, yer dirty fenian f*cker (a reference to the 'dirty protest')
Could you go a Chicken Supper Bobby Sands

Would you like a can of coke to wash it down?
Would you like a can of coke to wash it down?
Would you like a can of coke, I hope you f*ing choke
Would you like a can of coke to wash it down?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:59 pm
Posts: 6944
Location: up jacks arse in america.
verbalkint wrote:
do you mean the one's that where out shopping to buy there mother a present? or where they out on the streets pelting our brave boys with bricks and anything else they could lay there hands on
I,m no expert but they were unarmed protesters that were opened fire on by british soldiers there is many storys of that day people can make there own minds up.

_________________
Low, lie the fields of Athenry,
Where once we watched the small free birds fly.
Our love was on the wind*,
We had dreams and songs to sing.
It's so lonely 'round the Fields of Athenry.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:35 pm
Posts: 1544
Location: stuck in my bivvy on the ressy with my delkims and 4k of scopex squid livers
of course everyone's entitled to an opinion, but i'm not sure what mouldy's point was in mentioning bloody sunday.

there is a line in the sand that you don't cross, and i think supporting or condoning or even defending the ira crosses the line.

perhaps this correspondence should be closed ?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm
Posts: 22641
mouldy old dough wrote:
verbalkint wrote:
do you mean the one's that where out shopping to buy there mother a present? or where they out on the streets pelting our brave boys with bricks and anything else they could lay there hands on
I,m no expert but they were unarmed protesters that were opened fire on by british soldiers there is many storys of that day people can make there own minds up.


1 Para were definitely wrong that day, unarmed people were shot and there's no defence for that. It works both ways though.

That said, my problem is with the IRA, it has always been claimed that the provos were not there that day so I don't see your connection.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:58 pm 
Mr I wrote:
townendtimmy wrote:
Mr I wrote:
As they murdered a couple of good friends of mine, anyone who starts sympathising with the IRA will get booted off this site so quick you wouldn't believe it. Don't test me on this.



Everyones entitled to an opinion for gods sake.


Try cradling your mates shattered body in your arms as he lays there dying, then tell me about freedom of speech.


I guess the point is that many of us care a good deal about different issues. Many on here have been upset when other posters have sneered at, or ridiculed, people or groups they care about, only to be told that the board doesn't tolerate 'political correctness', and they can like it or lump it


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:00 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm
Posts: 22641
aido87 wrote:
perhaps this correspondence should be closed ?


Good point. I cannot offer a objective opinion on this subject.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:59 pm
Posts: 6944
Location: up jacks arse in america.
try telling that to the parents of the kid they killed in Warrington;
My point about bloody sunday was that there was terrible things done by IRA. UDA. British soldiers and secret service i try and say try to look at it from both sides thats all.

_________________
Low, lie the fields of Athenry,
Where once we watched the small free birds fly.
Our love was on the wind*,
We had dreams and songs to sing.
It's so lonely 'round the Fields of Athenry.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:05 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:35 pm
Posts: 1544
Location: stuck in my bivvy on the ressy with my delkims and 4k of scopex squid livers
i would think most people would accept who was 'in the wrong' on the most occasions during the troubles.

move along folks, nothing to see here :roll:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:08 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:59 pm
Posts: 6944
Location: up jacks arse in america.
Agree with that if i've upset anyone sorry as MRI has said to watch a mate die is heartbreaking and i had a cousins killed in over there so it gets to deep.

_________________
Low, lie the fields of Athenry,
Where once we watched the small free birds fly.
Our love was on the wind*,
We had dreams and songs to sing.
It's so lonely 'round the Fields of Athenry.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:20 pm 
Good points made from both sides. What I am sure we can all agree is that war is wrong and peace should rule in an ideal world.


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:47 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:24 pm
Posts: 7529
Location: Rocking my soul in the bosom of Abraham
Im sure nobody here is an I.R.A sympathiser & everybody is appalled by the murder of innocents.
I appreciate that you must feel srongly about the I.R.A Mr I,but what about the loyalist paramilitaries ?Do the British soldiers detest those in the same way ?
Surely they are every bit as guilty as the Republicans,killing innocent people is wrong regardless of which side their loyalties lie.
A while ago I read Michael Stones autobiography & by the end of it I thought he is a disgraceful excuse for a human being.

_________________
Dont need no country,wont fly no flag
Cut no slack for the Union Jack,Stars & Stripes got me jet lagged


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:54 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:27 pm
Posts: 2175
Location: Frodsham where ladies have plums in their mouth
This ain't no precious song about Ireland
So don't you go and mistake it
For one that you whistle when you're going home.
There's no step into the parlour
Or leaving from a harbour
Why should Irish eyes keep smiling through it all.

Anthony John Clarke is on at the Davy Lamp in Washington Arts Centre tonight.

_________________
I think I know A Short Cut


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:26 pm
Posts: 5832
Location: number 8
Obafemi Obsession wrote:
katcha wrote:
sctatchinghead


Why do I get one of those Katcha? I was too young to know what was going on back then. As for Mouldy, he makes a very good point.


you should make it your business as an englishman to know

_________________
I have forgotten more than you will ever know


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:00 pm 
katcha wrote:
Obafemi Obsession wrote:
katcha wrote:
sctatchinghead


Why do I get one of those Katcha? I was too young to know what was going on back then. As for Mouldy, he makes a very good point.


you should make it your business as an englishman to know



What happens if he's Welsh, or a Sweaty, or from Iraq, or a Pole?


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:03 pm 
I am an Englishman but I'm not afraid to admit I don't know a great deal about the troubles cos I was at school at the time and the only history they taught us was about Greek mythology and the Roman Empire. And something about the Royal family. Hence my request for info from people who lived through it.


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:08 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:16 pm
Posts: 844
Location: With the man in the wind and the west moon
I'd never condone the IRA and its tactics, but I understand and emphasise with the Republican viewpoint. Does that make me a sympathiser?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:30 pm 
Personally I don't think the thread should have been started in the first place, especially when people are threatened with bans for giving an opinion.
This is an international forum. Anybody can read it, including IRA sympathisers. We all have opinions on sensitive issues.
I have the greatest sympathy with anybody who has had to suffer watching a friend die, having had to stand and watch my daughter being lowered into the ground, but If you don't want the subject discussed then don't bring it up.


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:25 pm
Posts: 22641
Let me clarify; I have no issue whatsoever with the Irish republican cause, thats an opinion on how they wish to live and the inhabitants of Northern Ireland have the right of self determination. What I have a problem with is terrorists and terrorist sympathisers.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:58 pm 
Wasn't Nelson Mandela a terrorist?


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:01 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:29 pm
Posts: 9787
Location: Just down the road from the Telstar
Obafemi Obsession wrote:
Wasn't Nelson Mandela a terrorist?


Don't start Mr I on him :roll:

_________________
I like the comfort zone. It's where all the sandwiches are.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:01 pm
Posts: 2038
Location: Leeds
Mr I wrote:
On this sad day we should pause to commiserate with the families of the hunger strikers and to wonder why it is that on to their murals on the Falls Road, they all looked like Cilla Black.

Image

I have a personal reason to regret the timing of Mr Sands passing as if he had held on for another hour I would have won £53 in the "when will he peg it" sweepstake.

We should also remember the men who so valiantly won the team event at that years world slimming competition. The ten men who competed in the 1981 World Hunger Strike Competition:

Bobby Sands, - 66 Days
Francis Hughes, - 59 Days
Patsy O'Hara, - 61 Day
Raymond McCreesh, - 61 Days
Joe McDonnell, - 61 Days
Martin Hurson, -46 Days
Kevin Lynch, - 71 Days
Kieran Doherty, - 73 Days
Thomas McElwee, - 62 Days
Michael Devine, - 60 Days

Bobby Sands actuall only came 3rd and it should be noted that Martin Hurson gave a valiant performance especially as he was drafted in at the last minute, his effort of 46 days did not detract from the overall score as it was a better ball competition.

Anyone wishing to donate to the Boby Sands memorial trust can do so by calling Nuneaton 808080 (ate nothing, ate nothing, ate nothing)

The following is the diary of a British soldier tasked with guarding Mr Sands during his last days. He was if you remember a British MP, admittedly he wasn't a political heavyweight, especially towards the end, but nevertheless he got guarded.

Hilarious.

Oh no wait, just poor. Too much anger over something that is best just left alone.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:03 pm 
I'm just asking. This sort of subject matter I have never studied. Always been totally into sport. Politics and war and that have never really interested me but I've started to take an interest recently.


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:05 pm 
Mr I, I agree, because I have a problem with terrorists too. I also have a problem with the definition, as there is the view that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It is confusing in that respect, as it all depends where you're coming from.
Then there is local terrorism, the type that starts with bullying or harassment. It usually isn't life threatening but can sometimes lead to the victim dying by the taking of their own life.
I would put it that forcing one's will on another by threats is a form of terrorism. The IRA were guilty of that with their so called own kind. I abhor any kind of behaviour associated with threats, which is a major part of terrorism.


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:09 pm 
TickhillPoolie wrote:
Mr I, I agree, because I have a problem with terrorists too. I also have a problem with the definition, as there is the view that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It is confusing in that respect, as it all depends where you're coming from.
Then there is local terrorism, the type that starts with bullying or harassment. It usually isn't life threatening but can sometimes lead to the victim dying by the taking of their own life.
I would put it that forcing one's will on another by threats is a form of terrorism. The IRA were guilty of that with their so called own kind. I abhor any kind of behaviour associated with threats, which is a major part of terrorism.


Excellent post. And may I add that the British army have my utmost admiration. It's a job I could never do in a million years and they deserve our respect.


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:10 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:01 pm
Posts: 2038
Location: Leeds
Obafemi Obsession wrote:
I'm just asking. This sort of subject matter I have never studied. Always been totally into sport. Politics and war and that have never really interested me but I've started to take an interest recently.

Why, cos it's forced down your throat? rolfl

Mandela was a terrorist before he changed. His wife was worse. They used to put enemies in tyres full of petrol and set them on fire.

Either way, I'm not going to join in laughing at the dead and the families of the dead, whichever side they're on. I just find it unnecessary.

Unless it's Margaret Thatcher. Is that gonna get me kicked off the Bunker? thrilled


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:10 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:59 pm
Posts: 6944
Location: up jacks arse in america.
Mr I wrote:
Let me clarify; I have no issue whatsoever with the Irish republican cause, thats an opinion on how they wish to live and the inhabitants of Northern Ireland have the right of self determination. What I have a problem with is terrorists and terrorist sympathisers.
Just to clear some thing up my cousin was killed by the IRA on the
9-2-71 in Tyrone while travelling in a landrover that the IRA scum mistook for a british army venicle.

_________________
Low, lie the fields of Athenry,
Where once we watched the small free birds fly.
Our love was on the wind*,
We had dreams and songs to sing.
It's so lonely 'round the Fields of Athenry.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:15 pm 
I'm sorry to hear that Mouldy and what Mr I has been through. I can't imagine what that feels like. I guess I've led a sheltered life.


Top
  
 
 Post subject: Re: Anniversary of the IRA Hunger strikes.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:33 pm 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm
Posts: 37200
It's just the way of the world, ..... my old man hated the Japanese, with some justification might I add and would buy nothing associated with them. Life goes on and when those directlly associated have gone, the mists of time blur the edges and the historians give it their slant.

_________________
It’s what he does….. he’s a terrier.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 55 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Gadgies online

Dodgepots browsing this forum: BarryHarris57, bobby lemonade, charltonclive, Devo, Elephant Rock, Grayhoundend, Infidel, itwontwork, JackVet, Jamie1952, Jazzmorgans123, JBPoolie, JohnnyMars, Kettering Poolie, loan_star, Mctee1908, Mulvaney, MutleyRules, nat the poolie, Optimistic, Our Younguns Dad, Ozzy Saltburn, Pooly_Imp, Robbie10, Sedgefield Poolie, Snowy, Stomper409, stupoolie, Sussex UK, tatty picker, thebigdog and 236 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  







The Bunker. The only HUFC forum with correct spelling and grammar.