If Godwin Antwi was released by Liverpool at the end of this season would you want Pools to sign him?

*Puts on crash helmet*

I would

He is 19 years old and has all the attributes to be very good at football, he's big, strong, quick, and a tremendous athlete. He has quite a few things he needs to iron out (such as giving the impression he's been on space cake during some games) granted but I'd be prepared to be more forgiving if he was one of our own. It appears he's also a tremendous lad and a very good professional. He should never have been thrown in as our first choice centre back at the start of this season that in my opinion has been one of Danny's biggest mistakes this season but that wasn't his fault.

I think he has the potential to get quite a lot better.

Does anyone else agree or is it just me!?

We might not get the chance.

Liverpool signed him very young and then lent him to Accrington and us.

They obviously see something and as we do, sent him out to get battered in lesser company. I've no doubt someone from Liverpool watches him regularly and sees how he's coming along. If however that scout or Rafa Benitez reads this board, well, they're going to think that Richie Barker is shit.

Anyway, never seen him so I dunno.

Hope that helps.

Good question.................. hmmm...

Well he's certainly never going to make it at Liverpool's level so he needs to be thinking about his future. As you say, he's only 19 and should get better with time and experience. It might not be such a bad call.

He is!

would sign him in a heartbeat. massive potential that could be nurtured playing alongside collins and clark.

Gotta agree with Aido (probably for the first and only time). He makes mistakes but often has the pace to dig himself out of the sh*t. A player with his pace would be an asset IMO especially in the long run after we have 'learnt' him a few things.

We all appear to be getting a bit misty eyed as the season ends with a whimper and kidding ourselves to boot. He hasn't been very good and the money involved could be put to better use, football is a business, not a last chance saloon, we've had enough of that over the years. Potential is as potential does.

riiiiight

...keep thinking, it'll come.

no mate, i understand it, just don't think it makes any sense whatsoever

if you understand it, it must make sense. ... and the phrase is from a famous playwright to boot.

There is absolutely no doubt that there is a raw talent here. The problem is that Antwi has not improved very much since his first game. In fact some people would argue that he has gone backwards since his first two or three games in a Pools shirt.
What intrigues me is the role that Butterworth plays in the development of young defenders. Butts was a very effective central defender in his playing days. No one would argue with that. He has been part of the England coaching set up, presumably coaching defenders.
There are a few basic rules of thumb when it comes to defending. One of the more popular of these rules is 'don't let the ball bounce'. Either Butterworth can't get this across to Antwi or Antwi can't see it.
If the kid can't master the basics then he has got major problems. Good luck to him.

no mate, i understand it but it makes no sense.

and what he fook do playwrights know about football ?

Being part of the England coaching set-up is hardly nowt to write home about now is it?

...about as much as we do...

Oh I don't know. I imagine hearing that England wanted you as a coach would excite you.............just a little bit.

Am I really reading this thread?

I don't know, are you?

I can't work out if I am hallucinating and reading that people are considering keeping Godwin Antwi and describing him as having raw talent and showing potential.

He's an abysmal liability and the further away he is from the first team the better.

If we were offered him for 50 quid a week I would still tell them to welcome to the board.

To put it brutally........if Liverpool Football Club consider him to have raw talent and potential, then we are faced with a choice. Do we accept LFC's judgement or yours. That is one tough call.

WTF? This gets worse.

I would rather have Glenn Davies than godlose antwi

rumour has it he is already on his way to a belgium club next season for another season long loan

What is the worst argument, Chip? You didn't define it.
Where did I say or suggest that every 17 year old Liverpool sign goes on to be a successful footballer?
I said or even I suggested that I prefer Liverpool's take on a footballer's potential to that of a message board punter.
After all Liverpool have recognised potential at a more than reasonable level to the likes of us.
Where did I suggest we need a fourth choice centre half?
I made a few observations, not opinions, chill out man.

What gets worse? The kid has got raw talent and potential. Liverpool obviously think so and so do others, including me. No one is saying he is the finished article, or even saying he will make it. If you think people are saying that then you are hallucinating ( your words not mine)
So you don't think he will make it? Fine. I prefer to take more notice of Liverpool than you, even though you may turn out to be right. That is my choice is it not?

Would you be so kind as to point out, anywhere in this thread, where I suggest that we should sign Antwi permanently?

christ ladies, don't be so intense. its about opinions, and mine is the one to believe in

sign him and sign him now

Chip, If you are asking if I would sign him then the answer is no I wouldn't.

If you are asking whether I would take the opinion of LFC over a message board punter then the answer is LFC. I am not questioning the right of TPP to have an opinion on Antwi, but his 'hallucinating' comment suggested that others who might want Antwi to come were making him hallucinate. He was ridiculing other people's comments by that remark.
Your next comment doesn't apply to me as I have never suggested that we sign Antwi. Therefore it is obvious that I don't prefer him to Clark, Nelson or Collins.
There is no evidence that I have suggested we sign Antwi as any choice.
I don't know Liverpool's current opinion on Antwi so I can't answer the last bit.

So, to sum up.
1.I have never suggested Antwi would be a success.
2.I have never suggested that we should sign him.
3.I have never suggested he should be fourth choice.
4.I have never suggested he was better than Collins, Clark or Nelson.
But.
5.I have suggested that he has potential and a raw talent.
6.I have stated that if there is a choice between the opinion of LFC and a message board punter, then I prefer the opinion of LFC.

The only point you have a quarrel with is Point 6 , the rest you have made up to try and bolster your argument.

The other day MR I stated in his address to us all that sarcasm was acceptable. TPP was being sarcastic with his 'hallucination' and I returned the compliment. In my post, as a contribution to this thread, I gave straightforward observations. If you don't agree with those observations then that is your right. What is not your right, however, is to add things in which I have not said.
I meant no offence to TPP and I'm sure he meant none with his comments. You, on the other hand, decided to have a go. By all means have a go whenever you like, but try to do it a bit more factually.

f uckin hell! I'M better than Godwin fookin Antwi and i'm fookin shite!!


Jesus h christ

I agree with that. We have Liddle who can also fill in. Our Priorities lie elsewhere. I have heard that Liverpool have a mapped out plan for Antwi, but I don't know how true that is.

Well at least I've created a talking point

I think Antwi has struggled but he clearly has potential.

He is certainly is not as bad as some people are making out. My whole point in this thread I think was that if Antwi was one of our own at the age of 19 we'd be far more forgiving and far more receptive to the opinion that he could turn out with patience into a good player.

God forbid what sort of pelters poor Matty Robson would have got had he ever been on loan to us from a Premiership club

When I said I'd sign him as well it wouldn't be to play in the first team from the start of the season, he'd to a squad player until he started to improve. In my opinion he's worth a gamble.

Can I also add that I'd rather see a young'un with hunger make up our squad than someone who 'has been' a good player and is already a millionaire like lets say for example Robbie Elliott.

This is all hypothetical of course

The ONLY evidence I shall be going on, is that of my eyes, most of these signings start off well and quckly fade, which is what happened in this case, no thank you. NEXT!

I agree with that wholeheartedly, Snowy. I wouldn't sign him either, as I have previously stated.
PJ does have a point though and Liverpool obviously think he has got potential. I hope the kid does well but, in my humble opinion, he is a raw talent that doesn't seem to be improving. We have had quite a bit of raw talent at Pools, most of whom haven't improved either. Maybe it is our fault. Who knows?
On Dibbs point, it is a well known fact that of the thousands and thousands of young wannabees, only a few make it. Liverpool would be the last to claim that they get it right all of the time but they seem to think there is potential there and I, and others, are prepared to go along with that. Nobody is saying, including Liverpool, that he is the finished article, or that he ever will be. It is really pointless comparing him with other 'failures'. Remember he is only nineteen.
Mutley, I am flattered that you consider my knowledge of football is such that you compare me to Mr Superwa............ Mr I will tell you a different story. However if your life is enhanced by stating, perhaps with a satisfied, smug look, that you have solved the great mystery ( according to those who are obsessed by it) as to the identity of your hero, then I am really pleased that a little light has been brought into your life. ( A hopeless attempt at sarcasm please forgive me )
I think if Mr Superwa..........wanted to come on this board in order to disrupt it, he would make a far better job of it than I am supposed to be doing.

Its a no from me too, he hasnt made a big enough impression in the games hes played to warrant a full time contract (god forbid) evenif he were available for nowt.

Yeah but the mayor has a great chance of managing Liverpool!

Great question

But no.

Jesus I rather have benitez's double for manager and the dog at right back before that.

Cleggs career definitely spiralled last time i heard about him he was a funeral director.