Stand by for another Black African nutcase to take over and start mass murder.

Some cause happiness wherever they go, others whenever they go. Oscar Wilde.

i can't see a lot of difference between him and saddam,so am i missing something?,why has he been able to get away with what he has,why has'nt the un intervened,he seems to have the same attitude as saddam but you don't hear a lot from the government or usa

Not quite the same level as Saddam, but any form of military intervention by this country would be denounced across Africa as the actions of a former colonial power. Zimbabawe can be as it once was, a very prosperous country, if organised properly.

Oil. Simple as that.

yes the old black gold,thats what i thought but thought i might be wrong

The oil question never fails to bring out the cynic in me..... evryone goes on about it with shock and disgust, but if you ask people to adjust their 'lifestyles ' to cope without it they don't wanna know. Everyone takes a moral stand till they find they can't drive their car or play a cd because they all use ..... 'oil'
Fact is you're sat in a comfy house on a computor because some ruthless bastard in the past decided that they were gonna be top dog and you have inadvertantly reaped the benefits of their ambition. In the future, the new economies will take it off us because they have that drive and our liberal consiences and hand wringing will leave us confused and the poorer because we never realised that others don't actually share our idealistic views and they will reap the dividends.

A bit harsh, right? I don't think the MDC could top Mugabe, given they want UN and British help

Oh I don't know. What is it about Africa? as soon as an African gets a sniff of power they run around murdering everyone.

Oddly enough, I think they'll get it right in this case, they're past that trasnsition from Marxist dogmatist leader and just want to get on with their lives like everyone else around the world. It's harder now to stop people being informed and information is power.

Want to pad it out so it doesn't sound a bit racist?

oil? never drink the stuff

I say some how Mugabe will hang onto to power

By hook or by crook he will hang on....

It can be for all I care but the fact remains that there's not a single African country that was handed over to black rule that hasn't ended up in genocide.

Uganda
Rwanda
Sierra Leone x 10
Swaziland
Darfur
Angola
South Africa
Congo/Zaire
Sudan
Liberia
and on, and on, and on.

oil

Take them back for the Empire then, what do you say? South Africa had problems because of colonisation. Darfur is in Sudan.

Bloody spear chuckers who love the smell of blood, the lot

wanna pad that out, sounds a bit .....'spearist'

Originality is key

So what do we do, repossess our old colonies in a last desperate act for the Empire? Or maybe that's what caused all the trouble in the first place...

Whoever takes over, I hope they are as sprightly, cheerful, well spoken and most important of all, as well dressed as Bobby

Oh silly me, I forgot that the Hutu's hacking millions of Tutsis to pieces in Rwanda was down to us. Silly me!

Now this really is going to sound racist but hey, like I care! The fact remains that there's never been a good black African leader. They invariably plough millions into their Swiss banks and pass their time planning genocide. They're body count is worse than fecking truck drivers.

I'm too politically correct, always been my trouble.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7327725.stm

Now I know I said he's quite sprightly, but this could finish him off!

When I was a kid at school they gave you a little book with pictures of kids in Africa. You took it home and you showed it to your Mam. She gave you a sixpence to take into school and it all was supposed to go to improve the life of the poor little bugger who's photo was in the book.

The grandchildren of those kids are now on telly saying we haven't got clean water and we haven't got enough to eat. A lot of people whose opinion I value give a lot of money on the strength of these charitable appeals. My feeling is that giving money to charities operating in Africa over a long period has failed to effect an overall improvement in living conditions.

Is charity to Africa actually prolonging the terrible conditions that people livng there have to endure and delaying the hopefully non-violent revolution that has to take place on the dark continent before things improve.

There again, I might go to Morrells for a pie

AARGHH.... DON'T MENTION THAT WOMAN.

No shit, the last time I slagged the old bat off, the board went down for two days.

GERTY GERTY GERTY GERTY GERTY GERTY GERTY!!!!

But aren't the African countries artificial entities created by non-African administrators for their own ends? Before that society in Africa was largely tribal wasn't it, and by all accounts each tribe had excellent leadership. There were inter-tribal battles every now and again, but they worked in the sense of creating separate territories which kept the tribes apart most of the time. It's the combining of incompatible tribes in towns that's created apparently unresolvable conflict, probably...nothing to do with African leadership as such.

Africa will still be the same when I am dead and gone, when Cliff Richard is dead and hover bikes are the 'in thing'

But I guess the UK will still be to blame

I'm not sure I follow that

You're right Grabec. Have you seen how straight liney the borders are on a map of Africa? That's thanks to the colonial powers. Was it Livingstone who was tasked with mapping it out and just drew straight lines or followed geographical landmarks to determine different countries as opposed to actually taking into account the current tribal system and their established lands?

I'm not sure if it was Livingston, Mr R but it surely was somebody

Totally off topic, my old Anthropology tutor, (an American who rejoiced in the name Farnham Rehfisch ) lived in the Sudan for several years doing research. Not only did the Sudanese tolerate him following them around everywhere and making notes about their way of life, but they built him a house for which they charged the grand sum of £10 !

Well, it isn't. School was a bit of a non-event for me...my education began after I left

I've just looked up Rehfisch on the net and found that he's now dead, which is sad. One of the last of the old eccentrics. He used to wander round in ancient clothes he could never be bothered to renew, and specs he couldn't be bothered to get mended, but stuck together with elastoplast instead

Oh yeah, I forgot I said that everything was our fault.

And I think that there's a difference between politically incorrect and racist. I'm not a fucking idiot. The last bit you said wasn't racist as you gave slight reasoning. Still, the points I raised were nicely avoided. Played.

So are we taking them back for the Empire then?

Depends on whether or not you can find enough oil there I guess.

Me racist............ ?

I guess I am a bit. I'm racist against the knife crime in Nottingham which is predominantly a black problem. I'm racist against the drugs gangs in Nottingham which is almost exclusively ran by black gangs. I'm not too keen on all of the muggings in the city which are mainly carried out by black youths. I'm racist against the gun problems in Nottingham which are very much centred around the St Anns area. Yep, you guessed it, thats a black area.

Question:

What's it got to do with us??

We're a pissy little island in the North Sea who used to be good and now we're just shite. We sit there like Canute trying to solve the worlds problems while the whole thing is going to hell in a handcart right underneath our noses. If America says jump, we ask how high.

We're a simple machine for converting wealth to poverty, by taxing everyone who works hard until they bleed and giving it all to people who don't.

Mind I could be wrong, I haven't seen it lately.

What's the 'we' shit Kev, I though you had washed your hands of the Imperialistic Yoke

PS

You martyr. So what's the course of action, arrest all black babies before they become criminals? Because we should arrest all the white babies before they become serial killers, rapists and child molesters. You make it sound like the white man isn't a criminal.

And you imply that giving the South Africans back their land has also caused the most problems. Back to apartheid then, or did you just put that country on the list to bolster your claims?

If it wasn't for colonialism, they wouldn't have taken the only parts of mechanisation from us that they needed. After all, we only put down the infrastructure for ourselves when we there...

I still don't know of any supposed genocide in Swaziland. I know of other countries like Russia, Germany, Cambodia, Kazakhstan, China, Spain, Romania etc etc that have had genocide in an arguably more "advanced" state, and all in the last 100 years (and still counting).

But nice that you can take solace in Nottinghamian niggers giving you a reason to complain. From where I'm standing, there's white people everywhere doing the same thing, and in much greater numbers. But if we get rid of the niggers doing it, then that'll sort things out

For the Empire--!

They don't do dual nationality.

No but I do wonder what is inherent the young black population of Nottingham that causes them to have such a massive over representation in the crime figures. Please don't give me the deprivated area excuse, there's plenty of other deprived areas that don't do such an impressive job.

I dunno. Have you been to Port Clarence? I just think in some places you never have a chance.

Why, what are you saying, crime's in a black person's genes based on St. Ann's alone?

Is this gonna be like that time when you dismissed all my evidence about the JFK assassination being Lee Harvey Oswald alone because you thought Uni education and 3 months research didn't stand up to a video you saw by a conspiracy theorist on YouTube?

I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment. It is also 100% fact.

Ta.

What's eccentric about that then?

Not at all, I based it on my experience as a qualified sniper. With an unzeroed bolt action bag of shite like that weapon, the level of accuracy of the alleged shooting was pretty impossible in that timescale.

Of course I've been to Port Clarence. I've also been to St Anns. Look at any Black Ghetto in any of the worlds major cities the world and you'll find massive levels of murder and violent crime. Take the UK

London - Brixton and Vauxhall
Nottingham - St Anns
Bristol - St Pauls
Birmingham - Handsworth and Sparkhill
Manchester - Moss Side
Leicester - Highfields

I could go on but I can't be bothered. All these areas and more besides have one thing in common; they are mainly black and they are the most violent, drug crazed and dangerous areas of their respective cities.

Oh I know its unacceptable to question the racial issues but these are more than just coincidences. Call me a racist if you like but I don't care. When issues like this are questioned racist is always the first word to hand but the fact remains that black areas tend to be much more violent than white areas.

The discrimination arguement is done to death too, oh the poor little lamb has been discriminated against so its ok for him to go around mugging and shooting.

Nah, you still believed the theories that were spoon fed to you and didn't even read the points I made - probably because you aren't a fan of arguing the indefensible Everything checked out. You can't go on gut feeling from a conflict 20 years later when the trajectory, bullet and positioning all matched Oswald's gun in the Book Depository.



I've been to St. Ann's, Moss Side and Highfields. I've also been to plenty of rough white areas. I've only ever had trouble on the street (4 times) with white people. I'm not denying that black people commit crime, I'm just not making it out to be all their fault.



So answer me this: are black people naturally more violent? Naturally more inclined to go around murdering people if they get a sniff of power? Or don't you believe that, like everyone else, it's down to nurture? Deprived areas DO play a part regardless of how much you try to belittle the argument. Moss Side is predominantly white and is the 7th poorest area of the country.

Funny really. I lived with 3 black guys for three years and I didn't see any of them shootin' tings an' rollin' up in 6'4s.

And I'm still wondering how Swaziland and South Africa were at all worse off for the loss of colonisation. And when Sudan split from Darfur.

i dont wanna be racist but i side with mr i here

also livin with 3 black men dont make a summer

i have former biz accquaintances who were always very wary when dealing in these areas

very

also as a continent they love a good war/murder/ethnic&political cleanse and waste of the west's money

Nah, you're right, having black friends means fuck all, they're probably conspiring anyway, like the Jews and the Kennedys