THAT penalty

Obafemi-Obsession · **Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:11 pm

Watched it for the first time this morning and it needs to be slowed down. It looked, on first glance, that Clark might have took the man then the ball. I need a slow-mo!

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:33 pm

Speed the fooker up, slow it down, play it backwards, it was never a penna as long as I've got an hole in my arse

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:37 pm

As I've been telling some leek munching sheep noncer on rivals (who wasn't even at the game) the camera angle is the wrong one to reveal how appalling the decision was.

I wish we had a camera in the middle of the Cyril Knowles, the guy wouldn't ref a game for a while if we did.

Mute Witness · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:10 am **Posts:** 3572

PJ_Poolie wrote:

As I've been telling some leek munching sheep noncer on rivals (who wasn't even at the game) the camera angle is the wrong one to reveal how appalling the decision was.

I wish we had a camera in the middle of the Cyril Knowles, the guy wouldn't ref a game for a while if we did.

My thoughts.

It looked a horrendous decision from my angle to the right of the Town End. I hope Pools World don't use the same footage.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:43 pm

PJ_Poolie wrote:

As I've been telling some leek munching sheep noncer on rivals (who wasn't even at the game) the camera angle is the wrong one to reveal how appalling the decision was.

I wish we had a camera in the middle of the Cyril Knowles, the guy wouldn't ref a game for a while if we did.

Same here, I was sat in the middle of the Millhouse and though it was a A1 tackle, the language that came forth from me after that would of caused a Para to blush, my seven year old nephew learned a whole new vocabulary yesterday afternoon :laugh:

Frank_Reid · **Joined:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:45 pm **Posts:** 473

WRONG

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:02 pm

Frank_Reid wrote:

WRONG

Who is Frank, who is wrong??

Obafemi-Obsession · **Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:03 pm

Frank_Reid wrote:

WRONG

Can you be a little less ambiguous? Wrong to what?

Frank_Reid · **Joined:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:45 pm **Posts:** 473

Will show you in the morning ...

dawlishmonkey · **Joined:** Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:53 am **Posts:** 1588

only seen it on ITV this morning but it looked a clear pen from what they showed like.

Frank_Reid · **Joined:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:45 pm **Posts:** 473

indeed

Mute Witness · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:10 am **Posts:** 3572

(Interrogation Time)

So Frankie...are you saying that your snaps shows it was a penna?

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:12 pm

I've haven't seen it on TV and I don't feel as if I have to. I was looking at the incident straight on to were Clark was facing for me clearly won the ball with an excellent tackle, the players reaction also suggested it was an excellent tackle. Whether he caught Scotland or not is irrelevant football is a contact sport and he won the ball.

Are you not allowed to tackle any more

Why didn't he book him?

mouldy old dough · **Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:12 pm

The view From the terrace of the Millhouse away end corner the ball never went out of play and in my opinion it was a penna.

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:14 pm

DanielGaunt wrote:

(Interrogation Time)

So Frankie...are you saying that your snaps shows it was a penna?

You can't prove whether it's a penalty or not from a still photograph

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:16 pm

mouldy old dough wrote:

The view From the terrace of the Millhouse away end corner the ball never went out of play and in my opinion it was a penna.

I don't understand......

What has the ball going 'out of play' have to do with it??

Frank_Reid · **Joined:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:45 pm **Posts:** 473

perhaps not from a single image...

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37203

Surely the 'view' that counts is the refs, if from his angle it looks like a penalty ...it is, even if it isn't, if you follow my logic.

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:41 pm

Snowy wrote:

Surely the 'view' that counts is the refs, if from his angle it looks like a penalty ...it is, even if it isn't, if you follow my logic.

I think that's the key the only people who thought it was a pen were those who had a similar angle of the incident as the ref, those who could actually see Clark win the ball however...............

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37203

That's the price we pay, they're not infallible, it happens, move on .

Frank_Reid · **Joined:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:45 pm **Posts:** 473

But did he win the ball?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37203

Will it actually change anything if he did...?

Frank_Reid · **Joined:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:45 pm **Posts:** 473

OF COURSE NOT BUT MIGHT STOP MEMBERS FROM TOPPING EACH OTHER...

norgepoolie · **Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:26 pm

Frank_Reid wrote:

OF COURSE NOT BUT MIGHT STOP MEMBERS FROM TOPPING EACH OTHER...

Was it a penalty then Frank?

Snowy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm **Posts:** 37203

Frank_Reid wrote:

OF COURSE NOT BUT MIGHT STOP MEMBERS FROM TOPPING EACH OTHER...

...don't shout... I'm being reasonable and it doesn't come natural.

PJ_Poolie · **Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:52 pm

Frank_Reid wrote:

But did he win the ball?

Of course he did, and no selection of photo's is going to convince me he didn't. You were obviously at as bad an angle as the TV. From the side facing the tackle he clearly won the ball, I'll say again I don't have to see it again.

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:21 pm

Frank_Reid wrote:

OF COURSE NOT BUT MIGHT STOP MEMBERS FROM TOPPING EACH OTHER...

NO NEED TO SHOUT!!!! banghead

Fensy · **Joined:** Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:15 pm **Posts:** 6472

PJ_Poolie wrote:

Frank_Reid wrote:

But did he win the ball?

Of course he did, and no selection of photo's is going to convince me he didn't. You were obviously at as bad an angle as the TV. From the side facing the tackle he clearly won the ball, I'll say again I don't have to see it again.

I am in concurance Mr PJ, I was walking along the Millhouse terrace and was more or less dead in line with the tackle and at no point did I think penalty

tREE_wiTH_hAMStER · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 11:00 am **Posts:** 20758

The fact no Swansea players or fans appealed, says it all.

Unlike Frank to try and make out he is God again and always has views that are 100% right.

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:54 am

Tree_With_Hamster wrote:

The fact no Swansea players or fans appealed, says it all.

Unlike Frank to try and make out he is God again and always has views that are 100% right.

Sadly it's a referee thing, a LOT of them at ALL levels seem to think they are bigger then game

How often do you come away from the game without mentioning the ref?

A good ref should be almost invisible, not centre stage

Frank_Reid · **Joined:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:45 pm **Posts:** 473

Indeed ....

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:17 am

Frank_Reid wrote:

Indeed ....

Is that just another random reply to a particular thread Frankie, or is it sarcasm, or do you actually agree that the 'Refs Club' is a closed shop, along with managers and politicians, who cannot admit a mistake has been made...?

mreeve85 · **Joined:** Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:37 pm **Posts:** 104

I was right behind this tackle, albeit 120 yards away in the town end and I can safely say that it was the best tackle of the first half. It was one of the worst penalty decisions I have ever seen. Does anyone know if it was the same ref who was in charge for Stockport v Hartlepool las tseason??

Frank_Reid · **Joined:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:45 pm **Posts:** 473

No penalty ..... pics yet again prove the ref wrong...

TalbotAvenger · **Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:51 am

Frank_Reid wrote:

No penalty ..... pics yet again prove the ref wrong...

I thought the pics said it was a penna....

So what is it Frank, was the ref, shock, horror, wrong???

Frank_Reid · **Joined:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:45 pm **Posts:** 473

indeed ..

mreeve85 · **Joined:** Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:37 pm **Posts:** 104

Have you got any stills of the incident Frank?

Frank_Reid · **Joined:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:45 pm **Posts:** 473

yes...

mreeve85 · **Joined:** Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:37 pm **Posts:** 104

They on your website?

ptbap · **Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:38 am

From the Town End I thought no pen, but after watching this http://www.football.virginmedia.com/pag ... 62,00.html I think the decision was correct. Clark took Scotlands leg.

TickhillPoolie · **Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:59 am

ptbap wrote:

From the Town End I thought no pen, but after watching this http://www.football.virginmedia.com/pag ... 62,00.html I think the decision was correct. Clark took Scotlands leg.

I'm not convinced with that evidence. I wasn't convinced at the time. However the referee was and that is all that counts. There is no doubt it changed the complex of the game, but referees decisions usually do. On Saturday Birmingham City were reduced to ten men whilst leading 2-1. The ref gave them a penna. It was never a penna from the TV angle but the ref saw it from another angle and gave it. I've now seen Sven livid for the first time. It's part of football and it is decisions like that which helped to coin the phrase 'they'll be talking about that in the pubs and clubs' etc. Nowadays we have all the benefits of modern technology, especially on sky, but the referee has a split second to decide. At the time I was livid but I keep telling myself that I should be used to it by now.I'm glad that decision really has very little impact on our season. If it had relegated us then.................... :evil:

ptbap · **Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:20 am

.............it would still have been the right decision!!!

MutleyRules · **Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:31 am

I've just watched the highlights on NTL but for me there's 2 other factors re. the penalty....

1. Why didn't Barratt come out get the ball????

2. The ball definetly looked out of play and should have been a Goal-Kick!!!! :evil:

The decision its self....I was 100% sure on Saturday that it wasn't apenalty and now after watching it again and again....I'm only 99% sure it wasn't!!!! confised

Clark definetly touched the ball before the player and Football is....well it's supposed to be....a contact sport!!!! confised

BTW....Their 1st goal....how fecking hard did he hit that???? :shock:

We should have said before the game started....'No Blammers'!!!! :laugh:

parmopooly · **Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:26 pm

we should have played with a Freddy Floater, when he first hit it the ball would be travelling at 160mph, but would have slowed down to 10 mph after 15 yards.
It would also seem to have hit an invisible wall and turned 90 degrees in mid-air.

Gibsons Beard · **Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:26 pm

MutleyRules wrote:

BTW....Their 1st goal....how fecking hard did he hit that???? :shock:

We should have said before the game started....'No Blammers'!!!! :laugh:

I just spat my tea all over the screen. (Maybe I have a 'drinking problem' a la Airplane)

Obafemi-Obsession · **Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:27 pm

TalbotAvenger wrote:

Frank_Reid wrote:

No penalty ..... pics yet again prove the ref wrong...

I thought the pics said it was a penna....

So what is it Frank, was the ref, shock, horror, wrong???

Howay Frank man!

Frank_Reid · **Joined:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:45 pm **Posts:** 473

what now...

Obafemi-Obsession · **Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:27 pm

Was it a penalty or not? FFS man! banghead

Frank_Reid · **Joined:** Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:45 pm **Posts:** 473

NO...

Mr Ripper · **Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:08 pm

I don't care what any of you lot think, especially those of you who are so very very wrong about this.

We'd walked along from our normal spot and were stood at the top of the steps on the Millhouse terrace by the Rink End.

The whole ball didn't go out of play.

Ben Clark played the ball and then his follow through took the very un-Scottish looking Scotland out.

Anybody who thinks that a tackle like that warrants a penalty should quit watching footie and take to basketball or netball instead.

If there had been a telly camera where we were stood it would be indisputable.

The ref was looking from a very similar angle to us.

Speaking to Jeff Winter at the end of the game (in the same spot) he reckoned never a penalty but stopped short of agreeing with me (with a look that to me indicated that he thinks this kind of thing goes on) that Swansea are paying refs and linesmen in used notes.

THAT penalty

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