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 Post subject: Enoch Powell
PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:10 pm 
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On the white season on BBC 2.
If he had been a Prime Minister his predictions wouldn't have come true.
That man talked a lot of sense its a pity the idiots in the Conservitive and Labour Parties didn't listen to him.


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 Post subject: Re: Enoch Powell
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since when did labour and tories see sense toether :roll:

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Enoch Powell was arguably the most intelligent and sensible MP in history. Although plenty were up in arms about it and still are, his rivers of blood speech was prophetic.


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Yet another nationalist branded a racist.

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 Post subject: Re: Enoch Powell
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Mr I wrote:
Enoch Powell was arguably the most intelligent and sensible MP in history. Although plenty were up in arms about it and still are, his rivers of blood speech was prophetic.


He never really recovered from that did he?

He left the tories to become an Ulster Unionist mp because he didn't agree with the government joining the eec.


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 Post subject: Re: Enoch Powell
PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:39 pm 
You lot are taking the piss surely!?!? sctatchinghead confised

He was a horrible little Racist Nazi Kunt!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

From the same mould as Mosley!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:


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Mention of Enoch Powell always reminds me of the joke of the time.....

Enoch Powell is standing on Tower Bridge, singing, "21 today, 21 today, 21 today".

A young negro lad walks up to him and says, "You're not only 21 Mr Powell"

Enoch lifts him up off his feet, and throws him in the Thames, and continues singing, "22 today, 22 today, 22 today".



It may have only been a thin excuse for a joke. But summed up for me what he really stood for.

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 Post subject: Re: Enoch Powell
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You lot are taking the piss surely!?!? sctatchinghead confised

He was a horrible little Racist Nazi Kunt!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

From the same mould as Mosley!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:



You're way wrong Mutley, he was talking about retaining the British identity. He essentially said that too many immigrants would lead to trouble. I don't see anything incorrect about that, it was proved to be true. We DO NOT live in a multi cultural society, we live in a society with many cultured and none of them are integrated. This is not the doing of the white man, Asians and niggers stay together from choice and do not intergrate much - particularly the former and I know a little about this first hand.

As for calling him a Nazi; he didn't sugest death camps or a multi level society, he simply said that some immigrants was ok, too many is a problem. The same is true today.


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Incidentally, he rose from Private to Brigadier during the course of the second world war. He was a Brigadier at 32 - a incredible achievement. He was also the main planner of the battle of El Alamain which Montgomery took all the credit for.

Enoch Powell was one of the great British figures.


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 Post subject: Re: Enoch Powell
PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:12 pm 
He was a Racist Fascist Nazi kunt who took great delight in getting his followers to post Dogshit through black people's letter boxes!!!! :evil: :evil: :roll: :evil: :evil:


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The only result Powell achieved with his speech was to make it harder for immigration to be discussed rationally in the political and public sphere. I personally don't agree with his speech and I'm inclined to believe the theory it was merely a tool in his poorly executed attempt to seize the party leadership from Heath, but I wouldn't call him a Nazi. He supported a lot of issues which I wholeheartedly agree with; the decriminalisation of homosexuality and the suppression of the death penalty for example.


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 Post subject: Re: Enoch Powell
PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:24 pm 
He was a Kunt!!!! :evil: :evil:

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 Post subject: Re: Enoch Powell
PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:45 pm 
A tvvat of the highest order!!!! :evil: :evil:

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 Post subject: Re: Enoch Powell
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er, no he wasn't :roll:

tell us one thing about his rivers of blood speech that wasn't horribly prophetic. and i'm the last person you could accuse of being racist.


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I think Mutley answers one question well with his remarks talk about briton for the british first and you get called all the racist names under the sun no wonder we are losing the freedom of speech. sctatchinghead

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The only people without freedom of speech in Great Britain are the white British FACT!!!


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MadJohn wrote:
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The only people without freedom of speech in Great Britain are the white British FACT!!!

One man's FACT is another man's complete and total horseshit confised


Hear, hear! Is living in this country really that bad?


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P.M.T. wrote:
The only people without freedom of speech in Great Britain are the white British FACT!!!


I must ammend my statement, the Scottish, Welsh and Irish can be discriminated against so it is only the white English


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Kolley Kibber wrote:
MadJohn wrote:
P.M.T. wrote:
The only people without freedom of speech in Great Britain are the white British FACT!!!

One man's FACT is another man's complete and total horseshit confised


Hear, hear! Is living in this country really that bad?
Wait till you start full time work and then answer that.

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 Post subject: Re: Enoch Powell
PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:36 pm 
Powell = Tvvat!!!! :evil: :evil:

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My remark was for Kibber as he is a student maybe when he starts work and is taxed on every move we make his opinion might change.

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 Post subject: Re: Enoch Powell
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Some of Powells statements were very interesting especially immigration.

Different cultures have not integrated thats a fact, in fact most have done the opposite, there's more tension between different cultures in Britain these days than there has ever been.

I think Enoch would have made a decent Prime Minister, pity he never got the chance!

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 Post subject: Re: Enoch Powell
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I think the bloke was a prick - but it seems to be a crime to be anything but very right wing on this board :laugh:

P.M.T's comments are hilarious... you just keep telling yourself that mate rolfl


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 Post subject: Re: Enoch Powell
PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:36 pm 
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I think the bloke was a prick - but it seems to be a crime to be anything but very right wing on this board :laugh:

P.M.T's comments are hilarious... you just keep telling yourself that mate rolfl


No that's just not true - there are a fair number of socialists on here & the board in general is very anti racism


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I'm not saying the board is racist at all - it just seems the majority of conversations about politics go back to how mint Thatcher was and how Labour have and always will be useless.

I think there's plenty of truth in statements of calling Enoch Powell a racist - I don't know the full history behind him myself (which I'll catch up on) but after watching the documentary on him the other night it certainly gave that impression at times


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 Post subject: Re: Enoch Powell
PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:57 pm 
TheGingerPoolie wrote:
I'm not saying the board is racist at all - it just seems the majority of conversations about politics go back to how mint Thatcher was and how Labour have and always will be useless.

I think there's plenty of truth in statements of calling Enoch Powell a racist - I don't know the full history behind him myself (which I'll catch up on) but after watching the documentary on him the other night it certainly gave that impression at times

I too think Powell was a racist - on the other hand, time has shown the accuracy of some of what he said, whether we agree with it or not (I don't)


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My remark was for Kibber as he is a student maybe when he starts work and is taxed on every move we make his opinion might change.


Taxation is a certainty of life, all I can do is accept it.


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 Post subject: Re: Enoch Powell
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He's a Bugger that Enoch character!!!! :evil: confised :evil:

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 Post subject: Re: Enoch Powell
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"The BNP abandoned demonstrations and street marches in the early 1990s because Anti-Fascist Action regularly prevented them taking place."

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 Post subject: Re: Enoch Powell
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:33 am 
Give the likes of that sick horrible bastard an inch and....

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But it's what exactly that has to do with that daft old tw@t Enoch that was puzzling me. confised



He was anything but daft Mr Mad, one of the great British minds of political history.


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Give the likes of that sick horrible bastid an inch and....

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:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:



Mutley, didn't you read the above? Enoch was instrumental in defeating Nazism and Fascism st the North African front. He never got into the fighting but certainly did his bit.

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During the Second World War, Powell enlisted in the Royal Warwickshire Regiment, almost a month after returning home. Powell enlisted in the ranks as an Australian. In later years he recorded his promotion from private to lance-corporal in his "Who's Who" entry, on other occasions describing it as a greater promotion than entering the Cabinet. He was trained for a commission after, whilst working in a kitchen, answering the question of an inspecting officer with a Greek proverb. He was commissioned on the General List in 1940, but almost immediately transferred to the Intelligence Corps. In October 1941, as a Lieutenant, Powell was posted to Cairo and transferred back to the Royal Warwickshire Regiment. He was soon promoted Major. He helped mastermind the attack on Rommel's supply lines, as well as the Battle of El Alamein. Powell was promoted Lieutenant-Colonel in August 1942. In August 1943 he was posted to Delhi. Though he served in Africa with the Desert Rats, Powell never actually saw combat, serving for most of his military career as a staff officer. It was in Algiers that the seed of Powell's dislike of the United States was planted. After talking with some senior American officials, he became convinced that one of America's main war aims was to destroy the British Empire. Writing home on February 16, 1943, Powell said: "I see growing on the horizon the greater peril than Germany or Japan ever were... our terrible enemy, America...."[9]

Powell's conviction of the anti-Britishness of the Americans continued during the war. Powell cut out and retained all his life an article from the Statesman newspaper of November 13, 1943, in which the American Clare Boothe Luce said in a speech that Indian independence would mean that the "USA will really have won the greatest war in the world for democracy".[10]

He desperately wanted to go to the Far East to help the fight against Japan because "the war in Europe is won now, and I want to see the Union Flag back in Singapore" before, Powell thought, the Americans beat Britain to it.[11]

Powell began the war as the youngest professor in the Commonwealth; he ended it as the youngest Brigadier in the British army, the only man in the entire war to rise from Private to Brigadier. Powell felt guilty for having survived when many of those he had met during his journey through the ranks had not. When once asked how he would like to be remembered, he at first answered "Others will remember me as they will remember me", but when pressed he replied "I should like to have been killed in the war."[12]


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Incidentally; I'd far rather have the 'racist Enoch Powell than the murdering terrorist scumbag and his murdering terrorist wife Nelson and Winnie Mandela. The latter should have been strung up in nick years ago.


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Incidentally; I'd far rather have the 'racist Enoch Powell than the murdering terrorist scumbag and his murdering terrorist wife Nelson and Winnie Mandela. The latter should have been strung up in nick years ago.


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the murdering terrorist scumbag and his murdering terrorist wife Nelson and Winnie Mandela. The latter should have been strung up in nick years ago.


So you keep saying :roll:


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the murdering terrorist scumbag and his murdering terrorist wife Nelson and Winnie Mandela. The latter should have been strung up in nick years ago.


So you keep saying :roll:



And I'll say it again, too many people think he's some kind of hero.


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Mr I wrote:
Incidentally; I'd far rather have the 'racist Enoch Powell than the murdering terrorist scumbag and his murdering terrorist wife Nelson and Winnie Mandela. The latter should have been strung up in nick years ago.


The worst thing the South African government did was put him in jail because he was made a martyr, he should have tried to escape like Steve Biko rolfl
But what am I saying, it isn't P C and I'll have the namby pamby liberals having ago at me again.
That was the problem with Mr Powell,he just wasn't PC even though 95% of the british public agreed with him he was vilified by the rest of his colleagues in Parliament


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:06 pm 
Surely a significant point about Powellism is that his supporters don't make the same points about Western colonialists who 'immigrated' into other people's countries, determinedly not integrating, and wantonly leaving rivers of blood


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P.M.T. wrote:
Mr I wrote:
Incidentally; I'd far rather have the 'racist Enoch Powell than the murdering terrorist scumbag and his murdering terrorist wife Nelson and Winnie Mandela. The latter should have been strung up in nick years ago.


The worst thing the South African government did was put him in jail because he was made a martyr, he should have tried to escape like Steve Biko rolfl
But what am I saying, it isn't P C and I'll have the namby pamby liberals having ago at me again.
That was the problem with Mr Powell,he just wasn't PC even though 95% of the british public agreed with him he was vilified by the rest of his colleagues in Parliament


Namby pamby liberals? Behave yourself!


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As I've said before, if we get a statue of Nelson Mandela we also should have one of Eugene Terre'Blanche.

Still, I think it's a bit much to say, in comparison, that Enoch Powell was one of Britain's greatest political minds. Overcompensation I fear


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My remark was for Kibber as he is a student maybe when he starts work and is taxed on every move we make his opinion might change.


Taxation is a certainty of life, all I can do is accept it.
Well i'm going to tax your 5-a-side money. rolfl

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Enoch Powell and Wedgewood Ben were they the same man. sctatchinghead

Enoch Wedgwood
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Enoch Wedgwood (1813-1879) was an English potter, founder in 1860 of the pottery firm Wedgwood & Co of Tunstall, Stoke-on-Trent. He was a distant cousin of the famous potter Josiah Wedgwood, of Josiah Wedgwood & Sons but their two businesses were separate concerns.

Wedgwood married Jane Mattinson (1814-1880) in 1837. They had four children, one of whom died in infancy:

Edmund Mattinson Wedgwood (1840-1904), potter.
Charlotte (1843-?)
Alfred Joseph Wedgwood (1845-1846) died in infancy.
Alfred Enoch Wedgwood (1850-1894), potter.
Wedgwood & Co was renamed Enoch Wedgwood (Tunstall) Ltd in 1965 and in 1980 it was taken over by Josiah Wedgwood & Sons, who renamed it Unicorn Pottery.

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Old Enoch certainly wan't as one-dimensional as most people seem to think he was. A very interesting character - an intelligent man with the courage to stand by his own convictions. A quality that is lacking in so many (if not all) of his modern-day compatriots.


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