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it never got mentioned after Saturday mainly because we won 4-0 but is anyone in agreement with me that the lad was hard done by after his good performances previous only to be dropped almost immediately.

It hardly sends a good message out to fringe players either; 'work hard and persevere in training, put in some good performances but I'll be dropping you straightaway'.

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it never got mentioned after Saturday mainly because we won 4-0 but is anyone in agreement with me that the lad was hard done by after his good performances previous only to be dropped almost immediately.

It hardly sends a good message out to fringe players either; 'work hard and persevere in training, put in some good performances but I'll be dropping you straightaway'.


But he isnt good enough though is he?

You are right though......it did seem harsh. But at the end of the day........we should be looking at better keepers. We are not a charity.

That performance against Cheltenham scared me enough never to trust him.


His performances against Northampton and Southend were far better than anything Big Jan has done all season. The Cheltenham game was like shooting practice for their strikers and I don't think it's fair to blame him.

I'm not saying I want him here for the next 10 years and he is the answer to our goalkeeping concerns, I'm just saying he didn't deserve to be dropped.

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we need a decent new keeper for next season if we can stumble our way to survival this term.

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 Post subject: Re: Lee-Barratt
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He is VERY inexperienced. I think he could probably improve a lot with games under his belt. The problem is, can we afford the time to bed him in? I suppose we can if he is no worse than Budtz, unless we can borrow Buffon or someone in the meantime.

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parmopooly wrote:
we need a decent new keeper for next season if we can stumble our way to survival this term.


I don't think you'll find too many people disagreeing with that.

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How about this for a thought: the main criticism levelled at Budtz is that he doesn't command his box. Now that's not a question of skill it's a question of decision making. So why isn't he being coached into the right way of doing it? If we have three bum goalies perhaps we should be looking elsewhere for the root of the problem, if you follow me...

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 Post subject: Re: Lee-Barratt
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When Dimi came he was slated as being crap after having a poor pre-season game against Sheffield Wednesday.


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George Wood has a good reputation in the game as keeping coach, but obviously something's not right........we also have Chris Turner on the backroom staff. If any team in League one should have a good keeper, or at least turn an average keeper into a good one positional-wise etc etc, then it should be HUFC

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 Post subject: Re: Lee-Barratt
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:08 pm 
I don't think he's injured he's just worse than Budtz. He should have been responsible for conceding a goal against Doncaster after less than a minute after making a complete mess of a cross he got away with it because McCammon missed a sitter. That's what what George Wood was working on before the game as well, getting Budtz to whip crosses over while he stood in front of ALB. He was very poor even in this drill misjudging several of these crosses.

He was also very lucky in the first half against Southend when a corner nearly went straight in and he was at fault for Southends second goal when a cross traveled right across the six yard box to the back post with ALB stood on his line, watch the goal back and see who the Pools defender (who was actually James Brown!!) blames for the goal. He made a couple of good saves second half but I thought he had a far from good game.

I think his on crosses weakness far outweighs any of Budtz's.

He might be injured but to suggest Budtz being brought back into the team is an outrage is way wide of the mark I think I feel better with the hapless Dane in nets!!


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I don't think he's injured he's just worse than Budtz. He should have been responsible for conceding a goal against Doncaster after less than a minute after making a complete mess of a cross he got away with it because McCammon missed a sitter. That's what what George Wood was working on before the game as well, getting Budtz to whip crosses over while he stood in front of ALB. He was very poor even in this drill misjudging several of these crosses.

He was also very lucky in the first half against Southend when a corner nearly went straight in and he was at fault for Southends second goal when a cross traveled right across the six yard box to the back post with ALB stood on his line, watch the goal back and see who the Pools defender (who was actually James Brown!!) blames for the goal. He made a couple of good saves second half but I thought he had a far from good game.

I think his on crosses weakness far outweighs any of Budtz's.

He might be injured but to suggest Budtz being brought back into the team is an outrage is way wide of the mark I think I feel better with the hapless Dane in nets!!


I think the two excellent performances he put in against Northampton and Southend far outweigh a few frailties he has shown

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 Post subject: Re: Lee-Barratt
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:08 pm 
I thought he was far from excellent against Southend, he was at fault for a goal in my opinion and fortunate not to be for a few more I think he has more to learn and improve upon than a 'few frailties' before he is regularly playing in league one.


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Lee Barrett has looked a lot better keeper than Budtz without a doubt.

Budtz was comical again on Saturday, although it was only funny cos we won 4-0 and he got away with it.

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 Post subject: Re: Lee-Barratt
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:08 pm 
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Lee Barrett has looked a lot better keeper than Budtz without a doubt.

Budtz was comical again on Saturday, although it was only funny cos we won 4-0 and he got away with it.



He didn't have to do ANYTHING to do on Saturday, so how was he 'comical' sctatchinghead sctatchinghead


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Lee Barrett has looked a lot better keeper than Budtz without a doubt.

Budtz was comical again on Saturday, although it was only funny cos we won 4-0 and he got away with it.



He didn't have to do ANYTHING to do on Saturday, so how was he 'comical' sctatchinghead sctatchinghead


The cross that he completely missed at the Town End?

He plays like a centre half who has had to go in goal when the keeper had gone off in the days before sub goalies were around.

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 Post subject: Re: Lee-Barratt
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:13 pm 
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Lee Barrett has looked a lot better keeper than Budtz without a doubt.

Budtz was comical again on Saturday, although it was only funny cos we won 4-0 and he got away with it.



He didn't have to do ANYTHING to do on Saturday, so how was he 'comical' sctatchinghead sctatchinghead


The cross that he completely missed at the Town End?

He plays like a centre half who has had to go in goal when the keeper had gone off in the days before sub goalies were around.



Did anyone else witness this...... :laugh:


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The cross that he completely missed at the Town End?

He plays like a centre half who has had to go in goal when the keeper had gone off in the days before sub goalies were around.



Did anyone else witness this...... :laugh:


Just shy of 4,000 others at a guess. :roll: :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Lee-Barratt
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:16 pm 
To be fair he didn't completely miss it he got his arms on it, I would say fingertips but I'm still to see conclusive evidence that he has hands.

But Lee-Barratt did completely miss a corner against Southend that nearly went in, I don't see how he is a better keeper, I just think Budtz is less shite it's like choosing where you'd rather live between Baghdad and Kabul.


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The one that was below head height just went straight past him.

The one that he just about touched was over his head.

He doesn't just miss one per game. :laugh:

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 Post subject: Re: Lee-Barratt
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:25 pm 
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The one that was below head height just went straight past him.

The one that he just about touched was over his head.

He doesn't just miss one per game. :laugh:



Why not just agree that one is shit and the other is shite?

They are possibly the worst two keepers we had on our books at the same time, well at least since 1989/1990


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I thought he was far from excellent against Southend, he was at fault for a goal in my opinion and fortunate not to be for a few more I think he has more to learn and improve upon than a 'few frailties' before he is regularly playing in league one.


How was he fortunate not to let in a few more? I don't see the logic there.

Having read back, the general consensus was he was much improved and I still think he was harshly dropped.

All of the above is FACT. :sweeeet:

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Lee-Barratt is rubbish. he should be sent out on loan to a team in Division Four or the Blue Sq Premier in order to gain experience that is if we can find anyone desperate enough to want him...... Jan Budtz is a far better keeper, he makes mistakes but what do people expect when we sign a keeper for nowt......


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Lee-Barratt is rubbish. he should be sent out on loan to a team in Division Four or the Blue Sq Premier in order to gain experience that is if we can find anyone desperate enough to want him...... Jan Budtz is a far better keeper, he makes mistakes but what do people expect when we sign a keeper for nowt......


But you think that Sweeney is rubbish and that it's a good idea to pull 20 notes out of your man bag for a "stylist" to cut your hair.

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1 - Sweeney is rubbish (in central midfield, the jury is still out on his abilities as a right back).

2 - I don't get shit haircuts.

3 - Are you seriously suggesting that Lee barratt is good....? rolfl


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 Post subject: Re: Lee-Barratt
PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:18 am 
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I thought he was far from excellent against Southend, he was at fault for a goal in my opinion and fortunate not to be for a few more I think he has more to learn and improve upon than a 'few frailties' before he is regularly playing in league one.


How was he fortunate not to let in a few more? I don't see the logic there.

Having read back, the general consensus was he was much improved and I still think he was harshly dropped.

All of the above is FACT. :sweeeet:


I'd say if a goalkeeper when defending a corner stands in the middle of his goal on the line and does fook all but stand and watch the ball sail over his head and narrowly miss going in at the far post he can count himself lucky, the guy takes flapping to a new level. He did that in the first half against Southend when you said he was excellent, he made one double save and conceded three in the match. I was far from impressed I struggle to see how anyone could be. I have nothing against the lad I just don't think him or Budtz for that matter are anywhere close to being good enough. Oh and don't give me the we've been spoilt by having Dimi crap I wouldn't having rated these two in 1995!

Improved on what by the way? His one previous league appearance before his latest run??


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And he won't get a chance, I've seen him play for the ressies, if you think the other two are bad, then you will not be impressed with Allison.

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And he won't get a chance, I've seen him play for the ressies, if you think the other two are bad, then you will not be impressed with Allison.


Well surely someone should accountable for signing three crap goalkeepers in a matter of weeks in the summer I know Wilson at the end the day signs the players but George Wood had worked with ALB and Allsion at Cardiff so he doesn't come out of this with much credit really....


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And he won't get a chance, I've seen him play for the ressies, if you think the other two are bad, then you will not be impressed with Allison.


Well surely someone should accountable for signing three crap goalkeepers in a matter of weeks in the summer I know Wilson at the end the day signs the players but George Wood had worked with ALB and Allison at Cardiff so he doesn't come out of this with much credit really....


Edit; I'd love to know what happened here!!


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It shows how bad it is when we're arguing which keeper is the most shite.

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Improved on what by the way? His one previous league appearance before his latest run??


Improved on his previous home performance against Cheltenham.

He did a lot more than one double save in the Southend game and I think conceding three goals was a harsh reflection on his performance, one was a penalty anyway and they don't count!

Don't get me wrong, I still feel the jury is very much out on him I was just don't see how his Doncaster performance warranted him being dropped especially given his replacement has been even dodgier for a sustained period. He has also being asked to perform behind a ridiculously awful defence which is far from ideal for a young goalie making his first ever league performances. Its only natural that he will be shaky, I think we'd be asking too much for him not to show extreme nervousness being thrown in at a time like this. His performance at Northampton was the best goalkeeping performance I've seen this season (as little as that means) and I cling to that hope he can reproduce that. Perhaps we've just been spoilt by having Dimi between the sticks for so long?

I also disagree with your comment about 1995. Steve Jones was in goal those days I think and ALB signing then would have been like having Lev Yashin between the sticks.

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Improved on what by the way? His one previous league appearance before his latest run??


Improved on his previous home performance against Cheltenham.

He did a lot more than one double save in the Southend game and I think conceding three goals was a harsh reflection on his performance, one was a penalty anyway and they don't count!

Don't get me wrong, I still feel the jury is very much out on him I was just don't see how his Doncaster performance warranted him being dropped especially given his replacement has been even dodgier for a sustained period. He has also being asked to perform behind a ridiculously awful defence which is far from ideal for a young goalie making his first ever league performances. Its only natural that he will be shaky, I think we'd be asking too much for him not to show extreme nervousness being thrown in at a time like this. His performance at Northampton was the best goalkeeping performance I've seen this season (as little as that means) and I cling to that hope he can reproduce that. Perhaps we've just been spoilt by having Dimi between the sticks for so long?

I also disagree with your comment about 1995. Steve Jones was in goal those days I think and ALB signing then would have been like having Lev Yashin between the sticks.


He is not a kid he is 24 years old, his only league appearances are for Pools. Do you think he is a late developer or something!? He isn't good enough he never will be much like Steve Jones but Brian Horne kept him out of the side in those days anyway and he loved 42 and kebabs (and was ridiculously rated by Poolies just because he had a bit of craic about him!) We have moved on, yes we might have rated those two then but it still wouldn't make them good enough now. I still don't think I'd have thought much of ALB, he'd be in the same file as Lance Key.


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Improved on what by the way? His one previous league appearance before his latest run??


Improved on his previous home performance against Cheltenham.

He did a lot more than one double save in the Southend game and I think conceding three goals was a harsh reflection on his performance, one was a penalty anyway and they don't count!

Don't get me wrong, I still feel the jury is very much out on him I was just don't see how his Doncaster performance warranted him being dropped especially given his replacement has been even dodgier for a sustained period. He has also being asked to perform behind a ridiculously awful defence which is far from ideal for a young goalie making his first ever league performances. Its only natural that he will be shaky, I think we'd be asking too much for him not to show extreme nervousness being thrown in at a time like this. His performance at Northampton was the best goalkeeping performance I've seen this season (as little as that means) and I cling to that hope he can reproduce that. Perhaps we've just been spoilt by having Dimi between the sticks for so long?

I also disagree with your comment about 1995. Steve Jones was in goal those days I think and ALB signing then would have been like having Lev Yashin between the sticks.


He is not a kid he is 24 years old, his only league appearances are for Pools. Do you think he is a late developer or something!? He isn't good enough he never will be much like Steve Jones but Brian Horne kept him out of the side in those days anyway and he loved 42 and kebabs (and was ridiculously rated by Poolies just because he had a bit of craic about him!) We have moved on, yes we might have rated those two then but it still wouldn't make them good enough now. I still don't think I'd have thought much of ALB, he'd be in the same file as Lance Key.


I was simply trying to highlight (tongue in cheek) how bad Steve Jones was, I'm not trying to make out that I think ALB is some wonder keeper but my comments have been taken out of context.

I am prepared to give the lad a chance and not write him off after his very five match appearances where he has done well in the majority of them and not be so hasty to describe him as 'rubbish' and 'not good enough' in this thread.

From what I have seen, Budtz and ALB would be decent understudy goalkeepers at this level as you can't expect a club our size to have two Dimis. We can't accomodate both though and Wilson does need to address it, I'm sure everyone is in agreement there.

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