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Do you want Danny Wilson out?
No, give him some more time 50%  50%  [ 38 ]
Yes, his time is up 28%  28%  [ 21 ]
Not sure, i'd prefer to sit on the fence 22%  22%  [ 17 ]
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If possible please state a reason for your choice.

I'll start

I have voted:- No, give him more time.

Why? Because he did a good job last year, and on a limited budget, has this season put together a half decent squad. Even with the limited budget Danny was ambitious and went after the likes of Danny Graham and Darryl Duffy who are a success at this level. Unfortunately they opted for different (larger?) clubs which is not Dannys fault.

Danny does frustrate me with his tinkering, and it is annoying he has not found his best 11 yet. However I do not fear for relegation, and think we have a glimmer of hope for the play-offs. If we finished mid-table I will only just be content, but another shake up in the summer could be what we need.

Compare him to Dave Penney (not a nice thing I know) but Penney must have signed around 40 different players on loan or permanantly in like 2 seasons? Before he has a squad that he is still not 100% happy with. Danny hasn't had that luxury and has put together a better team.


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Yes.

We are a third of the way through the season and we are making large strides - backwards.

There's no consistency (although that's coming, consistently poor), no passion, no hope.

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I'm sorry but I can't take anymore of this,he is making terrible team decisions refred


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I voted to sit on the fence. I still have faith in him but like others have said his decisions are baffling me at present. I am getting more worried every game.


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I guess it is dependant on the January tranfer window.

If James Brown leaves it would be devastating, and we could end up going down.

But on the other hand if we sign a new striker it might complete our team and we might storm into the playoffs.


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I would give him until January, but if (as Boshpoolie states) Brown, and possibly Porter go, then the club should be looking for a new manager.


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it will take a highly unlikely series of events for Pools to suddenly come good again with this shower. The team's confidence is on the floor, they can't keep a clean sheet to save their lives. Two goals a game will eventually become three, then four, then it's desperation time.
The pressure is on, but I guess the players can't respond, or don't know how.
There has to be a clearout of players if we can in January, and selling Brown could provide some much needed funding for re-structuring the entire team. We' dneed to stabilise the playing side again, and try and finish mid-table.
Whether Wilson is the man to eventually achieve this, I doubt very much unfortunately.
When it's going against him, I genuinely don't think he knows how to stop it.

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parmopooly wrote:
it will take a highly unlikely series of events for Pools to suddenly come good again with this shower. The team's confidence is on the floor, they can't keep a clean sheet to save their lives. Two goals a game will eventually become three, then four, then it's desperation time.
The pressure is on, but I guess the players can't respond, or don't know how.
There has to be a clearout of players if we can in January, and selling Brown could provide some much needed funding for re-structuring the entire team. We' dneed to stabilise the playing side again, and try and finish mid-table.
Whether Wilson is the man to eventually achieve this, I doubt very much unfortunately.
When it's going against him, I genuinely don't think he knows how to stop it.


Restructure the entire team?

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 Post subject: Re: Danny Wilson out yes or no?
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People are too willing to get rid of managers these days.

Wilson brought us the most success and team records of any manager and I can't think of a suitable replacement that would make any impact.

The players all have the ability but are choosing not to show it. His team choices are pretty painful at times - automatic starts for Barker and Nelson strike me as strange given their lack of consistency, as well as playing people out of position (Brown should go up front now and again, and McCunnie is a good defender).

Still, I like Wilson and I think he should stay. Give him til after the transfer window to decide.


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and if the tactics stay the same?
which i can't see him changing
he has had the opportunity to do so already

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I'm sitting on the fence, mainly because I haven't seen enough games lately...

From afar though, I have to admit to being baffled by his team selections.
I'm not a massive Porter fan, but he's better than Moore.
I'm still not totally convinced about Brown, but he's got to be played up front.
Players should be played in their proper positions.... it seems too simple.


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Wilson out yes or no?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:28 pm 
Boshpoolie wrote:
If possible please state a reason for your choice.

I'll start

I have voted:- No, give him more time.

Why? Because he did a good job last year, and on a limited budget, has this season put together a half decent squad. Even with the limited budget Danny was ambitious and went after the likes of Danny Graham and Darryl Duffy who are a success at this level. Unfortunately they opted for different (larger?) clubs which is not Dannys fault.

Danny does frustrate me with his tinkering, and it is annoying he has not found his best 11 yet. However I do not fear for relegation, and think we have a glimmer of hope for the play-offs. If we finished mid-table I will only just be content, but another shake up in the summer could be what we need.

Compare him to Dave Penney (not a nice thing I know) but Penney must have signed around 40 different players on loan or permanantly in like 2 seasons? Before he has a squad that he is still not 100% happy with. Danny hasn't had that luxury and has put together a better team.


But has he got a limited budget?

IOR have never shirked bringing in players on decent money, Watson, Tinkler, Widdrington, Humpty to name a few oldies, and the likes of Monkey and Moore won't be on peanuts neither

I have defended Wilson all this season, but the signs are there, if he stays we might just avoid relegation if we are lucky


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I have to say yes. His selections are crazy. He plays so many players out of position. His loyalty to some is not rewarded. There is something seriously wrong in the dressing room. His own body langauge is all wrong. Where is the passion? Where is the team spirit? Where is the football on the deck? The lessons from two years ago have to be learnt. Don't leave it too late Sir Ken.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:55 pm 
oh stop the fooking moaning and get behind the team danny boy will deliver or you wont here from me for another 25 years :roll: :roll: :roll:


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:11 pm 
it,s only a matter of month,s ago that people where worried that danny was going to go to nothern island what panic thinkabout it oh you of little faith what is the alternative


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we will prevail :roll: :roll: :roll:


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If he cant see that its not working and something major (what we have the resources to do already) has to change then yes.

Howay Danny man, ffs stop being so stubborn.

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 Post subject: Re: Danny Wilson out yes or no?
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I voted yes

When it comes right down to it, ignoring club alliegance & all of the other parephenalia of being a fan, I parted with 400+ notes back in July to be entertained, to get away from my humdrum boring life for a few hours on a Saturday afternoon, I don't demand wins, I demand EXCITEMENT - I'm not getting it


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Whats most annoying is that he plays a team which 99% of us know is wrong!!!!

Why does he do it. Its not right. He is not thinking rationally!!

He must be doing this on purpose, there is no other reason why :evil:

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Boshpoolie wrote:
parmopooly wrote:
it will take a highly unlikely series of events for Pools to suddenly come good again with this shower. The team's confidence is on the floor, they can't keep a clean sheet to save their lives. Two goals a game will eventually become three, then four, then it's desperation time.
The pressure is on, but I guess the players can't respond, or don't know how.
There has to be a clearout of players if we can in January, and selling Brown could provide some much needed funding for re-structuring the entire team. We' dneed to stabilise the playing side again, and try and finish mid-table.
Whether Wilson is the man to eventually achieve this, I doubt very much unfortunately.
When it's going against him, I genuinely don't think he knows how to stop it.


Restructure the entire team?

Dear lord sctatchinghead :roll: :uhoh: confised

and the alternative is???

you seem to know it all

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Worst thing is he finally fixed it by bringing Clark back in and then decided it was time to fuck about with looking for a right back despite the best one we have (mccunnie) doing fuck all wrong and probably being the player of the season upto when he was dropped.

He seems to look for problems which are not there!!

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I have to say yes. His selections are crazy. He plays so many players out of position. His loyalty to some is not rewarded. There is something seriously wrong in the dressing room. His own body langauge is all wrong. Where is the passion? Where is the team spirit? Where is the football on the deck? The lessons from two years ago have to be learnt. Don't leave it too late Sir Ken.


Exactly. I'd give him two, maybe three, games at the most to turn it round. If he doesn't then he has to go.


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short memories some of you.
I wouldn't think of sacking him,as I can't think of a single manager I'd prefer.none of those who voted yes have come up with an alternative name

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No, no and no again. He is the best manager that Pools can attract. If Billy Davies suddenly put his hand up for the job then fine but if Wilson left we'd end up with a manager who has failed at a host of lower league clubs, the Brian Little's of this world if you like.

Wilson does need to shake himself though and hopefully after recent performances he might have a rethink. It really is maddening that he persists with a front line that hasn't worked all year and ain't going to in the future.

We need to drop a number of players who are not performing though. It's all very well going on about tactics but when the players aren't putting in the effort any tactics aren't going to work. I suspect thats why Barker keeps his place; if he were dropped what message would it send out to the shirkers.

FFS Danny, Give the Porter and Brown a run in the team and play defenders in defence, midfielders in midfield and attackers in attack.


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I'm on the fence if it be but leaning towards no (for now)

Peformances have to change: period.
Tactics have to change: period.
Results have to change: period.


As previously mentioned, who could we get? If we could get Cooper to return then I'd be a happy boy but we won't.

Wilson did ok last season and it took him until this time last year to work out his best starting 11. Lets hope history repeats itself.


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It really isn't difficult.

Defence: drop Nelson and Humphreys
These two are not performing to the required standards.
Put McCunnie back in and switch Nolan or Liddle to left back. Clark to replace Nelson or Elliott if Clark is unfit.

Midfield: Monkhouse, Boland/Liddle, Sweeney, Moore
A left winger, a defensive midfielder, an attacking midfielder and a right winger.
Attack: how many times does it have to be said? Porter/Brown


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Mr I wrote:
It really isn't difficult.

Defence: drop Nelson and Humphreys
These two are not performing to the required standards.
Put McCunnie back in and switch Nolan or Liddle to left back. Clark to replace Nelson or Elliott if Clark is unfit.

Midfield: Monkhouse, Boland/Liddle, Sweeney, Moore
A left winger, a defensive midfielder, an attacking midfielder and a right winger.
Attack: how many times does it have to be said? Porter/Brown


Then play the ball on the floor through the midfield, not a big boot up field


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35% want him out so he's still got the majority in his favour.


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Where has the voting result gone? Last time I saw it, the votes against and the don't knows out-numbered those in favour


Oh, right...found the results. As I said


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parmopooly wrote:
Boshpoolie wrote:
parmopooly wrote:
it will take a highly unlikely series of events for Pools to suddenly come good again with this shower. The team's confidence is on the floor, they can't keep a clean sheet to save their lives. Two goals a game will eventually become three, then four, then it's desperation time.
The pressure is on, but I guess the players can't respond, or don't know how.
There has to be a clearout of players if we can in January, and selling Brown could provide some much needed funding for re-structuring the entire team. We' dneed to stabilise the playing side again, and try and finish mid-table.
Whether Wilson is the man to eventually achieve this, I doubt very much unfortunately.
When it's going against him, I genuinely don't think he knows how to stop it.


Restructure the entire team?

Dear lord sctatchinghead :roll: :uhoh: confised

and the alternative is???

you seem to know it all


If I was Wilson in January I would do my best to keep hold of Brown
Look for a new striker to replace Barker
Make sure Ben Clark is the first name on the team sheet in regard to the defence
Give Joel Porter a decent run in the first team, if he doesn't take his chance then get rid of him
Stop the long ball to Barker mentality, he isn't quick but he can hold it up with his feet too
Do some work on Monky's defensive game so that he is a 'complete' winger and get him back in the first team
Do some work with Liddle to help restore his confidence in going forward, the last couple of times I saw him he seemed determined to pass the ball only backwards


Maybe thats wrong, maybe it would get us relegated. But i do think Wilson needs to do something since all this tinkering and leaving our better players out for loan players etc just isnt working. Last season we had a fantastic starting 11 who played a lot of games together, this season he needs to decide what he wants to do and stick with it. If players with egos dont like not playing, then let them leave.


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grabec wrote:
Where has the voting result gone? Last time I saw it, the votes against and the don't knows out-numbered those in favour


Oh, right...found the results. As I said



Ermmm.... sitting on the fence isn't wanting him out.


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Mr I wrote:
It really isn't difficult.

Defence: drop Nelson and Humphreys
These two are not performing to the required standards.
Put McCunnie back in and switch Nolan or Liddle to left back. Clark to replace Nelson or Elliott if Clark is unfit.

Midfield: Monkhouse, Boland/Liddle, Sweeney, Moore
A left winger, a defensive midfielder, an attacking midfielder and a right winger.
Attack: how many times does it have to be said? Porter/Brown



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A tricky one given our current form, but I reckon we have to stick with him. We had a team that looked full of promise in the early part of the season, but the form just hasn't materialised.

We need to keep the ball down and pass to our ability.

Brown needs to stay, McCunnie needs to play too!

I wouldn't be afraid to drop Nelson at the minute as it might give him a kick up the arse to get back to his usual form.

I wouldn't risk anyone else coming in as manager at the moment, but DW needs a good hard look at himself and the team.


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Mr I wrote:
grabec wrote:
Where has the voting result gone? Last time I saw it, the votes against and the don't knows out-numbered those in favour


Oh, right...found the results. As I said



Ermmm.... sitting on the fence isn't wanting him out.


Well, but it's not in favour either, which was your original point.
People 'on the fence' very possibly just think like Mr Monkeehanger that a new manager at this stage would be a risk. Can't compare two risks, one of which you don't know yet, but that doesn't mean you're in favour of the one you do know.


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banghead banghead banghead

Why cant people see the g banghead uy is clueless.

The ordinary man in the street could pick that fecking team.

Give him more time violin banghead sctatchinghead

We are out of the F.A. Cup, beaten by a league 2 side convincingly.
We are out of the Johnstones Paint, beaten by a league 2 side.
We are playing shite, the managers tactics are shite, he obviously cant motivate what he is playing and people want to give him more time. banghead

I despair I foooking do.
If he's the best we can then I despair even more.

There's managers in the sunday league could pick a better team than him!!

Listen to the MK Dons, listen to Bristol City :evil:

He's failing on all fronts and I hope he resigns or is sacked immediately banghead

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No, no and no again. He is the best manager that Pools can attract. If Billy Davies suddenly put his hand up for the job then fine but if Wilson left we'd end up with a manager who has failed at a host of lower league clubs, the Brian Little's of this world if you like.

Wilson does need to shake himself though and hopefully after recent performances he might have a rethink. It really is maddening that he persists with a front line that hasn't worked all year and ain't going to in the future.

We need to drop a number of players who are not performing though. It's all very well going on about tactics but when the players aren't putting in the effort any tactics aren't going to work. I suspect thats why Barker keeps his place; if he were dropped what message would it send out to the shirkers.

FFS Danny, Give the Porter and Brown a run in the team and play defenders in defence, midfielders in midfield and attackers in attack.


Couldn't have said it better myself Mr I. Like everyone else, I really dont know what is going on with team selections/substitutions and am far from happy but I have voted NO for now but don't know how long I can stay loyal. I just hope that Uncle Ken is taking note, particularly with the 3,500 attendence that is sure to follow on tuesday.


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I know it seems that there aren't other candidates out there, but who here had even heard of Neale Cooper before he came here. No-one expected that.

Also Mike Newell was frowned upon but despite waht other people think of him, he clearly did something right at Luton.

I, like others on here cannot see where our next win is going to come from. It's not like we are waiting for a injured players to come back in or we have key players suspended.

3,500 on Tuesday night if we're lucky and god help us if we don't get a result!

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It will be Hartlepool 1 Tranmere 2

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switch Nolan or Liddle to left back.


Why do some people seem to think that putting someone into a position they have never played before will solve our defensive frailties, I always thought your best bet was to have a predominately left footed player in at left back


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that is the norm call up elliot :laugh:

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I'm still right behind Wilson, Im sure he'll turn it round soon. Just cos the transfer window is shut he wont stop looking for a good striker to score goals.

It doesnt help when 3 of your best players are missing either "Monkey Lidds Clark"


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The thing he's missing is that if you play two defensive midfielders in the middle, nothing is going to go forward through them so everything goes over them, and its crap to watch. Sweeney or someone who will get forward needs to be in the middle. I don't know whats happened to Liddle, I thought he could become a decent attack-minded midfielder, he's got the ability, but plays the most cautious game, along with Boland or whoever else usually plays. We will play badly, especially at home, until this is rectified and Wilson needs to get his head round it.

Apart from that we need a striker or two who are actually confident and look like scoring. we have strikers capable of that and they need giving a chance. if they dont deliver we need to buy one.


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Wilson out yes or no?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:04 pm 
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Only 14 out of 48 voted for his removal. Thats 29% want him out, the percentages change all the time.


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Wilson out yes or no?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:50 am 
TownEndTwin wrote:
Just cos the transfer window is shut he wont stop looking for a good striker to score goals.


We've got at least 2 who could do it but they haven't been given a chance....oh yes they did....for one game....and they got 5 goals!!!! :roll: :roll: :evil:
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 Post subject: Re: Danny Wilson out yes or no?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:52 am 
nick wrote:
I don't know whats happened to Liddle, I thought he could become a decent attack-minded midfielder, he's got the ability, but plays the most cautious game,


I think that has more to do with the Manager....not the Player!!!! :evil: banghead :evil: banghead


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 Post subject: Re: Danny Wilson out yes or no?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:59 am 
We've got six strikers already. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Or are you a subscriber to the '20 goal a season striker tree' theory, where you just go and pluck one off it?? Like Australia do with fast bowlers and the Americans do with bulldyke tennis players.

I re-iterate, Joel Porter has NEVER scored 20 in a season. Two of our strikers have. The two Mr Wilson (PBUH-will I get lashed for that?? I do hope so....) keeps picking. Along with the third and all three are on a goal every three games.

Just a bit of a blip is all. Calm down, have a nice cup of tea and a fig roll. :wink: :wink: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


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